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RPW
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Overlay?
#21929917 - 07/11/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is this overlay? The sub has shrank quite a bit, and only this 1 mushroom has grown. A pin formed in the middle, but then aborted and nothing has grown since. Another tray that was spawned to the same batch of coir, and fruited at the same day produced fruits with no noticeable issue.
 
Also, has anyone seen this? It looked like the veil was so strong that it ripped the cap.
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Re: Overlay? [Re: RPW]
#21929962 - 07/11/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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no overlay. just shitty conditions for fruiting. all dry substrate, and the mushroom itself looks like it's pretty pissed off about how dry it is too.
cubes don't overlay anyway. well RR says he's seen cubes overlay like 2 times ever out of years and years chances are you'll never see it since none of us have.
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bodhisatta said: well RR says he's seen cubes overlay like 2 times ever out of years and years
I don't think he said he saw cubes overlay, but that he has seen overlay only a few times in his 40+ years...
He has said....
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RogerRabbit said: Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.
A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now. 
What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.
I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day. Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay. Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9467709#9467709
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RogerRabbit said: I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate. It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17163830#17163830
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RogerRabbit said: By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15803177#15803177
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RogerRabbit said: I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13797279#13797279
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RogerRabbit said: Uncased bulk substrates should be left alone and covered until 100% colonized. Overlay is a vastly misunderstood phenomena which only affects species such as agaricus(button mushrooms) which require a casing layer.
Whatever you do don't deep scratch. That's a failed method which was disproved 30 years ago. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13547569#13547569
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RPW
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bodhisatta said: no overlay. just shitty conditions for fruiting. all dry substrate, and the mushroom itself looks like it's pretty pissed off about how dry it is too.
cubes don't overlay anyway. well RR says he's seen cubes overlay like 2 times ever out of years and years chances are you'll never see it since none of us have.
So why did one perform fine under the exact same conditions? I have my monotubs stuffed tightly at the bottom and loose at the top. Apart from this, what can I do to dial in my monotub?
I'm gonna give this tray a soak for a few hours and hope that I can get a "second" flush.
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Edited by RPW (07/12/15 01:35 AM)
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Re: Overlay? [Re: RPW]
#21931878 - 07/12/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Add more moisture (mist) and make your polyfill tight both top and bottom. You might even want to apply micropore tape across the polyfill to reduce FAE.
Increase the RH in your fruiting chamber however you can.
For some reason your monotub isn't working so I suggest switching to manual - mist and fan 3x per day.
It may be genetics - PE can be a bitch.
Good luck!
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ShroominMe said: Add more moisture (mist) and make your polyfill tight both top and bottom. You might even want to apply micropore tape across the polyfill to reduce FAE.
Increase the RH in your fruiting chamber however you can.
So in one breath you say restrict FAE, and in the next you say increase RH....well, you have to pick one...
More FAE = More evaporation, restricting it would mean less...less evaporation means less humidity...
You have to find the middle ground, where there is constant moisture evaporating at surface level.
This is really easy to do in monotubs because of all the heat generated by the substrate, there is constant condensation that evaporates off over time.
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RPW
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PussyFart said:
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ShroominMe said: Add more moisture (mist) and make your polyfill tight both top and bottom. You might even want to apply micropore tape across the polyfill to reduce FAE.
Increase the RH in your fruiting chamber however you can.
So in one breath you say restrict FAE, and in the next you say increase RH....well, you have to pick one...
More FAE = More evaporation, restricting it would mean less...less evaporation means less humidity...
You have to find the middle ground, where there is constant moisture evaporating at surface level.
This is really easy to do in monotubs because of all the heat generated by the substrate, there is constant condensation that evaporates off over time.
So should I start misting more frequently? Also, I don't get any condensation in my chamber. Should that be something to worry about?
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Re: Overlay? [Re: RPW]
#21932119 - 07/12/15 04:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yes there should be condensation on all 4 walls and dry rings around the holes.
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Re: Overlay? [Re: Yerow]
#21932124 - 07/12/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Overlay? [Re: Yerow]
#21932533 - 07/12/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shouldn't have to mist at all. You had field capacity wrong and the tub dialed in wrong from the start. You could mist now to fix it maybe
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There's all kinds of bullshit in this thread.
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Re: Overlay? [Re: azur]
#21932631 - 07/12/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Overlay can happen with cubes but its not something you see often. ghaijake had what was certainly cube overlay but, it was on uncased grain blocks in a poorly dialed in GH. There is a pic around somewhere.
What most people think is overlay is just matted dead mycelium. Cubes are not prone to overlay the way pans are. But no matter if you have overlay or if you have matted dead mycelium, the cause is the same. Dial them conditions in better and provide a pinning surface. If you do those two very simple things overlay will not be a problem.
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