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slowgrowloph
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Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings?
#21928199 - 07/11/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone have any techniques for taking pere cuttings without getting hundreds of tiny spines in your hands? I have even tried leather gloves and the small barbed spines STILL made it through. I hate these damn things
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#21928370 - 07/11/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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wow, quite surprised they can penetrate leather gloves
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Faustoid
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21928386 - 07/11/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tongs?
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TheTortoise

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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#21928490 - 07/11/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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hold them by a leaf or fold a couple leaves upward and grab the tip
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: Faustoid]
#21929408 - 07/11/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Faustoid said: Tongs?
Get some feeder tongs from petco
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#21930122 - 07/11/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use chopsticks or just my hands. They're only glochids.
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Johnny Dont
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: karode13]
#21930461 - 07/11/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i have only ever used my hands, and i never seem to have a problem.
just look where you are holding them to make sure you are not garbing a bunch of spines....
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: Johnny Dont]
#21932249 - 07/12/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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be careful where you grab it
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Chemical Addiction



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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: Faustoid]
#21932343 - 07/12/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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the more you water the pereskiopsis the smaller the spines/glochids stay, allowing you to grab between the glochids like mentioned aboveQuote:
Faustoid said: Tongs?
I use bbq tongs to pick prickly pear fruit, those large tweezers (feeder tongs) look like they would work to hold the cutting.
Gloves are a terrible idea when dealing with glochids unless you plan on throwing them away after. I know this from removing several tons of cacti each year for my job, mostly prickly pear, cholla, and agave.
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P.Zappatecorum
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You learn to pick them up between the spines, or just grab by the leaves. Sometimes I'll loop some dental floss or twine around the stem and lift it by that. Invest in a good pair of tweezers and it won't be a problem. I get a glochid or two stuck in my fingers all the time, but pull them out immediately and it doesn't bother you much at all. I'd rather that than a gash from a ferocactus or bit trick spine.
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slowgrowloph
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Chemical Addiction said: the more you water the pereskiopsis the smaller the spines/glochids stay, allowing you to grab between the glochids like mentioned aboveQuote:
Faustoid said: Tongs?
I use bbq tongs to pick prickly pear fruit, those large tweezers (feeder tongs) look like they would work to hold the cutting.
Gloves are a terrible idea when dealing with glochids unless you plan on throwing them away after. I know this from removing several tons of cacti each year for my job, mostly prickly pear, cholla, and agave.
Tongs sound like a good idea. Yeah, I realized those gloves were useless now because every time I put my hands in them or touch them I get more spines in my hands.
The biggest issue for me isnt the spines I can see, its the ones I cant see that are almost microscopically small. Its like little barbed hairs. I guess I just have to grin an bear it.
Someone needs to hybridize some form of pere that are spineless
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#21933209 - 07/12/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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slowgrowloph said:
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Chemical Addiction said: the more you water the pereskiopsis the smaller the spines/glochids stay, allowing you to grab between the glochids like mentioned aboveQuote:
Faustoid said: Tongs?
Someone needs to hybridize some form of pere that are spineless 
now you're talkin. I'm no botanist, but I doubt there would be any reason not to remove the spines. They don't do us any good as cultivators as far as I know
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P.Zappatecorum
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21934367 - 07/12/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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From what I've read, pereskiopsis is nigh impossible to get to flower in cultivation, so it's pretty much entirely grown by vegetative propagation (cloning) rather than by seed. So don't hold your breath on the development of a new cultivar, most of us are probably using the same exact individual. The more sun you give them, the nastier the spines get. 
I actually hate pereskiopsis as a rootstock, it gets ugly quick, has too many offshoots and ends up getting stuck up in the scion making degrafts hard as well as not lasting more than a couple of years, not to mention the constant picking of glochids from your fingers. But that fucking growth rate.
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cowsRmeat
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#21934580 - 07/12/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: I actually hate pereskiopsis as a rootstock
Do you use something different as a stock for seedlings/small grafts, or do you use it and hate it because of the glochids?
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P.Zappatecorum
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: cowsRmeat]
#21934787 - 07/12/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use it a lot but hate it for how ugly the plants look while grafted and for the constant trimming of offshoots, don't really mind the glochids all that much. I wait until my grafts are between 2-4" and starting to stall out in terms of growth then degraft and root or do a permanant pedro/trich graft. Nothing brings me greater satisfaction than having a specimen get large enough to degraft so I can have one less stupid looking pere graft in my collection.
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LSoares
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Re: Any painless way to take pereskiopsis cuttings? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#21935964 - 07/13/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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karode13 said: I use chopsticks or just my hands. They're only glochids.
Listen to the man (I use either chopsticks or tweezers).
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P.Zappatecorum said: From what I've read, pereskiopsis is nigh impossible to get to flower in cultivation
Not quite. It's usually pointless, for all you get is a thorny shrub with yellowish/whitish plain flowers (I seem to remember someone posting a picture here of Peres cuttings flowering in a quite crammed tray?). People just do cuttings, for that is all they ever want from the plant, but if you give it root room, water and ferts it will become a beast in a single season (I've read 12 feet on a report!) and will probably flower on the following. Whether you can get two clones to cross-pollinate is a whole different matter, though...
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