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Drmantus
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How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get?
#21925889 - 07/10/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is a Sad sight but i am curious how old would you say this was? It seems very thick too, at least 5 to 6 inches diameter, I am pretty sure it's T. Pachanoi but i am not sure. How thick can a T. P grow to be? This was behind someones house behind a wall on the street, so i went to the house and asked the homeowner about it he told me he had nothing to do with it, and it was there when he moved in. There are also some Pachanoi growing next to these so this is why i thought this could be a TP any help?
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: Drmantus]
#21926045 - 07/10/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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First picture seems to be a dead Cereus peruvianus var. monstrose and the second is either the same or just a standard C. peruvianus.
Old T. pachanoi can be several inches in diameter, but usually around 4 inches.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: karode13]
#21926204 - 07/10/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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karode13 said:
Old T. pachanoi can be several inches in diameter, but usually around 4 inches.
So Since the first picture is clearly larger than 4" this could rule out the plant being a T.P?
Edited by Drmantus (07/10/15 09:11 PM)
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: Drmantus]
#21926209 - 07/10/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No. The shape of the plant is what makes it not a TP. It's a Monstrose Cereus peruvianus. It's definitely not a San pedro. I have no doubts about that.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: karode13]
#21926294 - 07/10/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Right Beside that first image in the first post is another cacti, He's got a bunch a dead arms and sunburnt arms too, i am trying to rescue this arm and this little pup on another dying arm. Any Id help.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: Drmantus]
#21926420 - 07/10/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That lil pup actually looks like a pach to me but the main plant is soooo damaged it's just insane and I can't be sure the look of that pup is it's natural appearance.
What the hell has happened to that cactus and where did you find it?
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: spaceman101]
#21926765 - 07/11/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Found on an abandoned lot mostly burnt out. next to the road.
The Pup came from the same cacti as this arm. The poor cacti is doing it's best to hang on, but it seems to have put up a good fight so far.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: Drmantus]
#21927547 - 07/11/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks pachanoi to me
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: Drmantus]
#21927858 - 07/11/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drmantus said: Right Beside that first image in the first post is another cacti, He's got a bunch a dead arms and sunburnt arms too, i am trying to rescue this arm and this little pup on another dying arm. Any Id help.

That does look like a pachanoi there, and it looks like it will survive. Put it in some soil/perlite mix and give it some water and it should do just fine, maybe put it somewhere with less full on sun since you seem to live in a very hot area.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: BigHeart]
#21928565 - 07/11/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BigHeart said: That does look like a pachanoi there, and it looks like it will survive. Put it in some soil/perlite mix and give it some water and it should do just fine, maybe put it somewhere with less full on sun since you seem to live in a very hot area.
Does it even have roots? I wouldnt give that little guy water, just stick him in soil and forget him for a few weeks...he will take care of himself. I am far from an expert though.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: mandrin13]
#21929141 - 07/11/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am working out a nice shady area in my yard to put these down.
I am not good with cacti yet, so when removing a small pup do i wait for it to scab over. Also put in the ground or best in a small pot.
So i have another photo of an arm from the same plant, i have been almost positive this was T Pachanoi. After staring at this arm for some time i could figure if it was TP or a Torch of some sort.
What is throwing me off is the indentation at all the spikes on the spine. This could be part of its make up or the weather could have caused this i am at a dead end and need some help.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: Drmantus]
#21929250 - 07/11/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drmantus said: I am working out a nice shady area in my yard to put these down.
I am not good with cacti yet, so when removing a small pup do i wait for it to scab over. Also put in the ground or best in a small pot.
So i have another photo of an arm from the same plant, i have been almost positive this was T Pachanoi. After staring at this arm for some time i could figure if it was TP or a Torch of some sort.
What is throwing me off is the indentation at all the spikes on the spine. This could be part of its make up or the weather could have caused this i am at a dead end and need some help.

Is that thing alive? Seriously, i can see that it's almost fine, but that colour! i would love to grow something like that, but it's definitely freak. It was exposed to some lethal radiations.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: Lemnaminor]
#21929307 - 07/11/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is that thing alive? Seriously, i can see that it's almost fine, but that colour! i would love to grow something like that, but it's definitely freak. It was exposed to some lethal radiations.
You are telling me, if i put a picture of the whole cacti up you might have nightmares.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: Drmantus]
#21931465 - 07/11/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drmantus said: I am working out a nice shady area in my yard to put these down.
I am not good with cacti yet, so when removing a small pup do i wait for it to scab over. Also put in the ground or best in a small pot.
So i have another photo of an arm from the same plant, i have been almost positive this was T Pachanoi. After staring at this arm for some time i could figure if it was TP or a Torch of some sort.
What is throwing me off is the indentation at all the spikes on the spine. This could be part of its make up or the weather could have caused this i am at a dead end and need some help.

Dont cut that pup off. Its too small to survive on its own. Just plant the whole thing as a log on its side longways. Make sure you add lots of perlite to the soil mix because it will have a ton of surface area to take up water. You dont want it rotting. Just lay the whole thing in well draining soil for a month or two and it should start putting out roots after a while. Then you can start watering it. Dont water until roots are showing though, or it will rot. I cant believe that thing is throwing out a pup. Thats crazy. It looks dead lol
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: slowgrowloph]
#21931827 - 07/12/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Would you still confirm this ^ to be T. Pachanoi?
The Arms i have go down tomorrow i will take your suggestion and lay it sideways. Dont have any Perlite but i do have some coco coir and Red Wood Bark, which i assume should work well.
Would you suggest any rooting hormone or is this not necessary
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: Drmantus]
#21932214 - 07/12/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe it is T Pachanoi. Good luck bringing that back to life. Log is probably your best way as Slowgrow said. Leave it in shade.
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I don't think log style is your best bet because it will spend more energy trying to root along the length of the log rather than just the base if it's vertically planted.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: BigHeart]
#21935064 - 07/12/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well That seems to be more logical but i have a few arms so i will try both ways, i recently ordered some 6Bap i am aware though not to use until some rooting is present
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: BigHeart]
#21935243 - 07/12/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BigHeart said: I don't think log style is your best bet because it will spend more energy trying to root along the length of the log rather than just the base if it's vertically planted.
That's not entirely true. It will convert the top of the log to the meristem, and try and grow root buds from the bottom of the log. It will sprout the same roots as if it were vertical. Only after the first roots begin forming, and you begin watering, will it then increase root production. The more areoles exposed to the soil, the more roots can grow. The more roots, the faster the growth.
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I hate to be the one to bring this up, but I have some serious issues - as should the rest of us, BTW - with "rescuing" plants from other people's lots. Just saying.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: LSoares]
#21936347 - 07/13/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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In this instance, I think he did the right thing. That plant was not taken care of at all. Rescuing the genetics is important.
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After speaking with the owners twice now the second time I spoke with 3 Spanish women told me the cacti was left there and it was well on it's path to dying.
In my eyes I did the right thing, it can easily be 100 degrees over here so maintaining a plant is definitely not leaving unattended.
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Re: How old and thick can a T. Pachanoi get? [Re: Drmantus]
#21937025 - 07/13/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you did the right thing. That plant REALLY needed some help.
It makes it better that you did speak with the owners but even if you couldn't find them I would have done the same to be honest.
Now if it was a healthy looking plant on someone's property "that's a no no" but this thing was truly dying and all it needed was for someone to show it a lil attention.
Now if I had to take it without permission to make myself feel better I would have taken it home and brought it back to health the best way I could and took a cutting of the healthy plant to replant on that lot in an area where it would possibly have a better chance of surviving.
That's just my opinion though.
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