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Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect?
    #21925244 - 07/10/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had 6 cakes that never pinned. Not sure why, but I have a few theories.

Got 9 more ready to fruit, and 12 more jars colonizing.

The 6 I had given up on were starting to dry out, and were attracting fungal gnats. Few of them had bruising, but no contams.

I powdered them in a spice grinder, added maybe 6 cups of water, boiled hard for 5 minutes, then let steep for 10-20 minutes. Strained through a t-shirt, squeezed it, burned my hands a little bit. lol.

I've read people talk about making cake tea with spent cakes, some people say it's weak, some people say it's strong. But these cakes never produced their mushrooms, so theoretically, there should be loads of psilocybin, right?

Current plan is to drink maybe a cup. Or half a cup. Wait and see.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
    #21925266 - 07/10/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would NEVER bring mushroom tea to a boil with the mushrooms in there, cakes or actual mushrooms. It's possible you destroyed a good amount of the fun stuff.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21925272 - 07/10/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Boiling doesn't do a damned thing to psilocin or psilocybin. I wouldn't boil it for hours though.

That being said, report back if you actually catch a buzz off of it


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: maddchef]
    #21925282 - 07/10/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hours?!

Why? So many reports say 10-20 minutes steeping in hot water is fine.

The tea is already in a plastic jug. I'd have to pour it back to the verm/mycelium mush and reboil.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
    #21925289 - 07/10/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If it makes a difference, I was stirring hard for the entire 20 minutes, and it was powdered pretty fine.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
    #21925299 - 07/10/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have noticed an extreme difference in potency between tea that i let steep at lower than boiling temps for 10 minutes and tea that I let get to a boil.
The tea that Ive let get to a boil is always much weaker. That is a fact of my experience with teas but if you've experienced something different, then ok.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
    #21925740 - 07/10/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds gross. Give us a trip report if you have one :popcorn:


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
    #21925756 - 07/10/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He said not to boil for hours.

Also it isn't that the active compounds are sitting and waiting in the cake and then migrate to the shrooms. They are produced as the mushrooms grow.

I'd be interested to hear how this experiment goes though.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: OPB]
    #21925972 - 07/10/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

natedawgnow said:
I have noticed an extreme difference in potency between tea that i let steep at lower than boiling temps for 10 minutes and tea that I let get to a boil.
The tea that Ive let get to a boil is always much weaker. That is a fact of my experience with teas but if you've experienced something different, then ok.





Was this noticed with an isolate or ms grows from spores?

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OPB said:
He said not to boil for hours.

Also it isn't that the active compounds are sitting and waiting in the cake and then migrate to the shrooms. They are produced as the mushrooms grow.

I'd be interested to hear how this experiment goes though.





Again, proof or a reference to a paper? This has been debated for a long time when mycelium actually forms active compounds. Some say its there all along, others say it gets made on the fly as mycelium becomes tertiary.

Truth is as far as I know no one knows.

There was a paper by the FBI a while back stating they could only find psilocybin/psilocin in mycelium that was knotting.

Dunno how reliable that is though.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: maddchef]
    #21926306 - 07/10/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

maddchef said:
Again, proof or a reference to a paper? This has been debated for a long time when mycelium actually forms active compounds. Some say its there all along, others say it gets made on the fly as mycelium becomes tertiary.

Truth is as far as I know no one knows.

There was a paper by the FBI a while back stating they could only find psilocybin/psilocin in mycelium that was knotting.

Dunno how reliable that is though.




I don't think we need a paper for this. There is quite a simple experiment that can be done. If it is all just chilling in the mycelium than....if you made tea with that mycelium you would be rocketed into outer space to a world only McKenna could attempt to describe as it would contain all of the actives for multiple full flushes of mushrooms and then some extra.

This isn't the first attempt at mycelium tea and if it did work that way (it works but not with the insane potency this theory would require) why would anyone be doing anything but PF cake sleepy time tripping?


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ofzeroconcern] * 1
    #21926328 - 07/10/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

DETECTING PSYCHOACTIVE DRUGS IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES OF MUSHROOMS

Susan T Gross, B.A.
Forensic Scientist, Minnesota Forensic Science Laboratory, 1246 University Ave. St. Paul, Minnesota.
This project was supported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Minneapolis Field Office.
Received 26 Feb. 1999: and in revised form 12 May 1999: accepted 23 Aug. 1999.

"The original spore solutions were analyzed by TLC and by GC/MS. No psilocyn or psilocybin were detected in any of the spore solutions.

Mycelium growth was observed from 4 to 6 days. Fruiting bodies were observed from 24 to 48 days. The average amount of time for the primordia to appear was 32 days. Samples of mycelium were taken after 13 days of growth, 20 days of growth, and at various other days of growth. A total of 29 samples of the white mycelium growth were analyzed. No psilocyn or psilocybin was detected in any of these 29 samples. Nine of the 29 samples were confirmed by GCIMS, and again no psilocyn was detected.

Samples were analyzed after the first sign of growth of mycelium knots. A total of 22 mycelium knot samples were analyzed by TLC. Samples were considered to be consistent with a standard if their relative Rr value and their color matched the standard also spotted on the plate. Samples were considered to indicate a standard if their relative Rr value matched the standard but the color was not as dark as the standard spotted. Of the 22 mycelium knot samples, 17 were consistent with psilocyn. Of these 17 samples, 8 were also consistent with psilocybin and I indicated there was psilocybin in the sample. Four samples were consistent with the psilocybin standard spotted on the TLC plate, and one of these samples also indicated there was psilocyn in the sample. There was no psychoactive drugs detected in one of the samples."


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21926332 - 07/10/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

there is the FBI analysis you guys were talking about. They found absolutely nothing in the mycelium until it produced hyphal knots.

"Samples of mycelium were taken after 13 days of growth, 20 days of growth, and at various other days of growth. A total of 29 samples of the white mycelium growth were analyzed. No psilocyn or psilocybin was detected in any of these 29 samples. Nine of the 29 samples were confirmed by GCIMS, and again no psilocyn was detected."


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21926357 - 07/10/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:greatjob:

I have read that the mycelium tea only works after a number of flushes have been completed. That FBI study would explain why...lots of mushroom stubs.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: OPB]
    #21926414 - 07/10/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would be given pause to drink anything that had been strained through vermiculite anyway. I mean its probably not going to make you sick, but I've never been so desperate as to drink dirt. Take the scientific approach though. Do it anyway and post your personal findings. Be aware of placebo factors and jot down your observations as you go.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ZeroBoyWD] * 1
    #21926516 - 07/10/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good find on the article. Spent cakes would be a better experiment as the mycelium has already become tertiary and should contain at least some compound.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: maddchef] * 1
    #21927044 - 07/11/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

After the math, it was 2 cups of liquid with 2 1/2 pint BRF cakes per person (three people total; didn't drink the entire six cups).

There was definite baeocystin effects. Yawning, stoning, bodyload. One of us even took a nap.

There was also a change in thought, slightly psychedelic thought patterns (could be placebo).

But ultimately, no psilocybin effects. If so, they were less than microdose level. I thought that visual acuity was increased and lights seemed brighter, but it was so minimal that that may have also been placebo.

The sleepy, "stoned" (similar to an Indica high) feeling, and bodyload, were 100% not placebo. But it wasn't particularly enjoyable.

If psilocybin were present, and one of us drank the entire six cups, it would probably be equal to 0.5g mushrooms at MOST, so this is not worth it.

I need to let more oxygen in my room and lower the temp somehow to prevent this from happening. I fear my current 9 jars will not pin.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
    #21927081 - 07/11/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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After the math, it was 2 cups of liquid with 2 1/2 pint BRF cakes per person (three people total; didn't drink the entire six cups).

There was definite baeocystin effects. Yawning, stoning, bodyload. One of us even took a nap.

There was also a change in thought, slightly psychedelic thought patterns (could be placebo).

But ultimately, no psilocybin effects. If so, they were less than microdose level. I thought that visual acuity was increased and lights seemed brighter, but it was so minimal that that may have also been placebo.

The sleepy, "stoned" (similar to an Indica high) feeling, and bodyload, were 100% not placebo. But it wasn't particularly enjoyable.

If psilocybin were present, and one of us drank the entire six cups, it would probably be equal to 0.5g mushrooms at MOST, so this is not worth it.

I need to let more oxygen in my room and lower the temp somehow to prevent this from happening. I fear my current 9 jars will not pin.




:thumbup:

Should cross post it over to the 'The Psychedelic Experience' too, probably not too many people with cake tea stories.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
    #21927084 - 07/11/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, whoops. I guess I'm used to posting here.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
    #21927086 - 07/11/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To be fair, it was hardly a psychedelic experience, lol.


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Re: Just made cake tea with 6 cakes (not spent ones; they never produced fruit), what should I expect? [Re: ofzeroconcern]
    #21927095 - 07/11/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You know I too am having a problem with non pinning jars. On day 8 without a sign of a single pin. I hadn't considered the oxygen element. Maybe I'll start putting the chamber on the porch at night to get some fresh air.

Thanks for letting us know how it turned out =)


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