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MikeBearPig
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DMT Crowdfunding project
#21925068 - 07/10/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dmt-for-extending-life-when-you-need-it-the-most#/story
So, if DMT can do this, I assume the phosphorylated version of it does also?
So, when you are not facing extreme danger, where your brain NEEDS DMT because it does not have enough oxygen to support neuron's.
So when taken in a non extreme conditions, the healing effects are amplified or some how changed because the conditions are different.
http://reset.me/story/how-psilocybin-improves-your-brain/
Psilocybin after all is just phosphorylated DMT.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21925100 - 07/10/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nigga i bet you don't even know what phosphorylated DMT even means....coming in hear saying "DMT is only phosphorylated DMT anyways" bullshit
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MikeBearPig
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Bill_Oreilly said: nigga i bet you don't even know what phosphorylated DMT even means....coming in hear saying "DMT is only phosphorylated DMT anyways" bullshit 
You need to read it again idiot.
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Bill_Oreilly said: nigga i bet you don't even know what phosphorylated DMT even means....coming in hear saying "DMT is only phosphorylated DMT anyways" bullshit 
He mentioned shrooms, which contain phosphorylated DMT, aka 4-HO-DMT aka psilocin
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MikeBearPig
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Gottaloveacid said:
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Bill_Oreilly said: nigga i bet you don't even know what phosphorylated DMT even means....coming in hear saying "DMT is only phosphorylated DMT anyways" bullshit 
He mentioned shrooms, which contain phosphorylated DMT, aka 4-HO-DMT aka psilocin
Psilocybin is the only 4-phosphorylated indole on this planet
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21925515 - 07/10/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MikeBearPig said:
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Gottaloveacid said:
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Bill_Oreilly said: nigga i bet you don't even know what phosphorylated DMT even means....coming in hear saying "DMT is only phosphorylated DMT anyways" bullshit 
He mentioned shrooms, which contain phosphorylated DMT, aka 4-HO-DMT aka psilocin
Psilocybin is the only 4-phosphorylated indole on this planet
exactly why I was laughing how OP acts as if its just another well-documented chemical.
but really I was just messing around...I just wanted to say the N word and sound whacky. I was half-serious
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nah you're just jealous you don't understand what it means :P
I've read that crowdfunded theory already and I don't fully understand it either but it's cool that they're taking psychedelics seriously and they know it will open the door for more studies even if this hypothesis doesn't pan out.
In one of their videos they mention 5-meo-dmt being another, possibly better candidate for the neuron defense against oxidation. This is the first I've heard of 4-HO-DMT being a candidate but it makes sense to consider it. 5-HO-DMT, bufotenin, is another possibility. Cool how they're all so related.
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lessismore
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: Icon]
#21925714 - 07/10/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I'm all for DMT researching but I got no money to support it unfortunately, you get my best wishes instead
Only for responsible researching though, there are many ways to research
I am not sure calling a thing 'the spirit molecule' is a good thing i.e. , there are many things I don't like with researching
Psychedelics of any kind have big potential to help people with PTSD or anxiety, but only people who want to get helped, never forcefully
Human rights need to apply even more intensely here, no exceptions allowed Only people who agree to be part of a trial can have them
We should not try to say they are good/bad or spiritual/non spiritual, that's duality
Instead we should see if they can relieve stress , subjectively And then combine it with physical markers of stress/anxiety , brain scans, blood pressure etc. etc. after the trips
They got potential to cure most of mankind if they were used responsibly, and also to help mankind evolve
They are, however, not more sacred than meditation or any stress relieving method There are 1000s of ways, it is just important not to neglect psychedelic research like we have done for many years now, that's stupidity
Hope the ignorance ends soon...
http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/Drugs/HAC03.htm
Medical marijuana and Medical psychedelics can have great benefits, but also great dangers if misused by authority or the person
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: lessismore]
#21926305 - 07/10/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Did you even read the study? It's not at all testing or analyzing the spiritual, recreational or therapeutic side of DMT. It's looking at DMT from a medical perspective and how it may actually serve a natural purpose in situations of brain-death where there's a very limited frame of time to resuscitate the victim before brain function is irreversibly damaged from oxidation stress. They hypothesize that DMT injected into patients in these situations may extend that brief window an extra few minutes longer than possible naturally. That would allow for many other medical interventions.
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MikeBearPig
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: Icon]
#21926319 - 07/10/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icon said: Did you even read the study? It's not at all testing or analyzing the spiritual, recreational or therapeutic side of DMT. It's looking at DMT from a medical perspective and how it may actually serve a natural purpose in situations of brain-death where there's a very limited frame of time to resuscitate the victim before brain function is irreversibly damaged from oxidation stress. They hypothesize that DMT injected into patients in these situations may extend that brief window an extra few minutes longer than possible naturally. That would allow for many other medical interventions.
Yes, very good.
What I was trying to say is, if used in a non life threatening situation, it could restore damaged neurons and repair networks.
We know there is some mechanism behind it, and I was taking a stab at why we receive huge benefits from this molecule while healthy.
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lessismore
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: Icon]
#21926573 - 07/10/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icon said: Did you even read the study? It's not at all testing or analyzing the spiritual, recreational or therapeutic side of DMT. It's looking at DMT from a medical perspective and how it may actually serve a natural purpose in situations of brain-death where there's a very limited frame of time to resuscitate the victim before brain function is irreversibly damaged from oxidation stress. They hypothesize that DMT injected into patients in these situations may extend that brief window an extra few minutes longer than possible naturally. That would allow for many other medical interventions.
Yes, it sounds like a weird way to research into DMT, weird way to gain rights to research on it
But it's fine with me
My standpoints are still valid though, every one of them
btw. youtube.com/watch?v=6QEPrDBMqJ0 if someone wants a good trance track
and some ok psy/trance/uplifting trance 1.5hour+ longmix youtube.com/watch?v=sz7AiAguUOk
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lessismore
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: lessismore]
#21926580 - 07/10/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would rather cool the brain, that's plenty to do, I mean why inject people further
Cooling the brain will help a lot, it shuts off the brain so it can repair itself later
But sometimes we just want any method, injecting DMT for this sounds crazy, I'm sure there are 1000s of other drugs that can do this too like DMT ?
It's a weird way to research DMT IMO , but any way is better than no way
Maybe it will lead to something interesting, or maybe it will lead to severe complications in patients
I'm probably against this way of using DMT I think, think DMT should only be used psychotherapeutically....
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lessismore
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: lessismore]
#21926597 - 07/10/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Would you get into a car accident and coma and find out you have been injected with DMT high dose, and now when you get back, your personality is lost
You got no personality now, you cant talk to your friends
You cant remember things
You cant speak
Would you blame the DMT and the scientists?
It seems somewhat unethical this way of using DMT, because its not used psychotherpeutically...
It's a psychedelic, it can damage the brain IMO if not used in right setting
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: lessismore]
#21927150 - 07/11/15 02:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you just spend all day imagining scenarios and posting about them to fill your void of real experience? You didn't say anything relevant to the topic and I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, it's nonsense. We get it, you know nothing about DMT and what you've heard scares the shit out of you so you're not ready to consider its uses. Go listen to some youtube trance and cool yer brain.
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: Icon]
#21929086 - 07/11/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: lessismore]
#21932944 - 07/12/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This should be posted elsewhere on the Shroomery as well. I'd like to see them get more than $4k worth of funding.
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: MikeBearPig] 1
#21934572 - 07/12/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MikeBearPig said: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dmt-for-extending-life-when-you-need-it-the-most#/story
So, if DMT can do this, I assume the phosphorylated version of it does also?
So, when you are not facing extreme danger, where your brain NEEDS DMT because it does not have enough oxygen to support neuron's.
So when taken in a non extreme conditions, the healing effects are amplified or some how changed because the conditions are different.
http://reset.me/story/how-psilocybin-improves-your-brain/
Psilocybin after all is just phosphorylated DMT.
DISCUSS!
I guess my first question about this is why haven't they applied for a grant from some place like the National Science Foundation? If they have and were rejected why were they rejected? Why would you crowd fund something like this? It would be wise to proceed with skepticism on this one and not immediately get a raging hard-on because someone is doing research with DMT. They could just as easily be swindlers.
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Re: DMT Crowdfunding project [Re: oomchu]
#21934749 - 07/12/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That, is a very good point my friend. I did think that crowdfunding page was a little..skimpy when it came to the information provided.
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