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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: azur]
    #21926033 - 07/10/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its really simple but few want to do it unless they are desperate because it means changing the food you eat. The theory behind it is simple. Sugars are addictive and cause you to feel more hunger. They give you energy but it fades away fast and you want (crave) more. Fats too can do this and certain flavors can be addictive.

OK, here is the plan. Eliminate all foods with added sugar, flour or wheat. Why flour and wheat? Because they turn into sugar almost immediately after eating. People who swear off desserts and candy often find they don't lose weight and its because they went to bread, pizza, rolls, pasta, etc.

You also have to not eat much food high in fats like butter, cheese and so on. A few fat people have a fat tooth more so than a sweet tooth. Eat all you want of veggies and some fruit. Don't go nuts on high sugar fruit like pineapple or dates. No fruit juice, just whole fruit and lots of veggies, whole grains and lean meat. Also, no artificial sugars like aspartame, splenda, etc.

You will have cravings for the old addictive food but the cravings die down in a few days. If you feel hungry, eat. But eat good food, not the old crap food that made you fat. No starvation and the pounds melt away. Are you desperate enough to do it? It helps if you go to a meeting of like minded people like weight watchers, tops, food addicts anonymous, etc. It reinforces your determination to stay on the diet and win.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21926053 - 07/10/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Apples and pretzels ftw.
You should jot down a basic one week meal plan and the fatassez on this thread should try it and maybe it will help someone


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: azur]
    #21926108 - 07/10/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, azur. If I hear some interest, that might be a good idea. Is anyone out there fed up enough with being fat to do something desperate about it? Its something you stay with the rest of your life. In theory anyway, I regressed somewhat and now eat dark chocolate every day. My confession. But I watch the calories and eat loads of veggies a day plus fruit. I smirk when they say very few americans eat enough veggies or fruit. Today I had a veggie plate which was probably 18 to 20oz. I had 2 pints of blueberries and a mango for fruit. I think that's a little more than 2 or 3 portions. I also had baked potato but that doesn't really count because its a starchy root. Don't do as I do right now, do as I say.

You have to be strict with yourself for at least a year before yielding to the occasional temptation but a slip is not a fall and if you fall, just get back up and go at it again. It takes determination, I won't lie to you about that. If you are thinking you will try it for a few days to see if it works for you, wait until you are ready. It takes commitment but once you are fully committed, its easy.

I enjoy the hell out of the food I eat, its very flavorful. You learn to use spices and spicy food like onions and garlic instead of fat or sugar.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21926170 - 07/10/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I couldn't agree more. I love to eat. I just eat the right foods.
I think what also helps is going to the grocery store every few days instead of once a week. That way you can always have fresh fruits and veggies.
Also, once you start eating right, like you said, it's not hard. It becomes a habit. My habit for a quick snack is an apple. It's what i crave. And if you replace the bag of chips with a bowl of apples, eventually it will be your habit.
To the fat guys on this thread, i challenge you to change. Get motivated. Better your bodies and minds. You won't be disappointed.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: azur] * 2
    #21926439 - 07/10/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: azur]
    #21926440 - 07/10/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

wouldn't the whole grains have lots of carbs?  what are some examples?  you talking like lentils n shit like that?

well anyways ive been on atkins and it really does work, its just so fucking hard to stick to the same diet for so long, and to always be temped with all the bullshit on every single isle of the store.  Like every 2 feet there's some fucking candy or high carb food.  How is someone NOT supposed to be fat in america?  its the fucking advertizing, and shit being thrown in our face.

but yah ive lost 70 lb's so far on atkins, if i had strictly stuck to the diet religiously i could have dropped all those lb's in about 3 months with that diet.  But ive had lots of cheats n shit so that made it take way longer.

i need about 30 more lbs off and ill be happy, but jesus these last 30 will be so fucking hard.  You just get so god dam tired of eating the same shit over and over, and thats the worst part about diets or the worst part about atkins anyway, is basically all u can eat is meat and vegi's.

whats helped me alot recently tho is high quality tasty tea's like earl grey, chai, orange spice, mango ceylon, real good shit, and stevia liquid extract.  I still get the urge for ice cream tho, thats my cheat.

of course you don't have an urge to eat if your out doing shit, and thats what alot of people lack.  50-100 years ago that wasn't such a big problem, back when peeping toms was a reputible pass time


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21926531 - 07/10/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

atkins is gonna kill your cholesterol bro.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21926535 - 07/10/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Atkins lacks energy needed to be active


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21926751 - 07/11/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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atkins is gonna kill your cholesterol bro.




i thought all the new research said that cholesterol was actually good for you now, like eggs are good, bacon is good, ect ect

and that it was processed meat that was bad, or something i can't remember.  Like i think i read eggs or something actually had good shit in it thats supposed to LOWER your cholesteral.  like the overall might be higher but the shitty stuff is lower


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21927871 - 07/11/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>wouldn't the whole grains have lots of carbs?

Avoid wheat but good grains are oatmeal, buckwheat, quinoa. Brown rice is not bad but not too much.

Its true about the grocery store being full of tempting crap. I would avoid the aisles, the bakery of course, and just go to the fresh veggies area and the outside area of the store avoiding the aisles which have all sorts of junk in them. Then you have to get through the checkout which always has a big display of candy. If you win the battle at the store then you are fine until the next visit to the store. Its like a little boat navigating between reefs and rocks. After a while you just look with contempt on the stacks of crap that you used to eat and are not even tempted any more.

If you could lose 70 lb that is helpful to those who are just starting out. I didn't lose that much but I didn't have as much to lose. Someone who is really big will lose that in probably 2 or 3 months and keep going. I'm not familiar with atkins, but this diet is healthy with all the veggies.

Yogurt is good to eat because it gives you calcium, protein and probiotics. Look for the greek style which is lower in carbs. Dairy products are good in moderation but be careful with cheese and butter.

Anyone else interested in taking the plunge and becoming the person you always wanted to be? This thread can be your support group.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21927881 - 07/11/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Eggs are one of the healthiest foods you can consume. I eat 4 eggs and 4 slices of whole grain rye toast everyday for breakfast. I have found that it is the only breakfast meal that can keep me satiated until lunch time without dragging me down. Anyone who only eats egg whites are only fooling themselves. Eighty percent of the nutrition in an egg is in the yolk, including the all important vitamin b12 for brain function, half the protein and all of the vitamin E that promotes healthy skin, hair and nails. Just because eggs are high in cholesterol,  does not make it bad cholesterol and certainly doesn't turn into bad cholesterol when metabolised. Man has been eating eggs longer than he has been eating meat. Whomever came up with the notion that the high cholesterol in eggs was bad for you, may have had an auterior motive. Meaning, most food scientists and there research is paid for by coorperations (in this case, the cereal industry) who like to skew the results in their favor. The bottom line is, if it's all natural then God created it and it's good for you.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: Adolin]
    #21927893 - 07/11/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gresh said:
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azur said:
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Asante said:
People who are disgusted by fat people are shallow.



Explain please.
I simply don't care for lazy people. Generally, fatness is a symptom of laziness





you've never been lazy before? you've never been through a  rough patch either?

you'd be suprised how easy it is to gain weight. i spend 10 days in a mental ward and a year on 4 different medications. i didnt gain weight cause i was lazy. i gained weight because i was drugged. and that in itself was necessary

i'd rather be fat than dead. but i'm sure you disagree and think all fatties should just die though




Ive been 5'10" 140 lbs from 16-24. I eat like a horse. My weight never varies or changes. I dont have my 6 pack i did in high school but if i flex its still there and visible.

But i also walk everywhere at one point it was 10 miles a day not including running around the restaurant i was working in. Im active in general but do have incredibly lazy days. But i haven't changed at all in 8 years.

It boggles my mind that people can fluctuate weight like that. I have no idea what thats even like.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #21927928 - 07/11/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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atkins is gonna kill your cholesterol bro.




this comment is total bullshit. your cholesterol levels don't rise because you're body is using the fat for fuel instead of glucose.

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Results The LC group lost more weight (mean, 9.9 ± 9.3 kg vs 4.1 ± 4.9 kg, P < .05) and had improvement in non-HDL cholesterol levels (P < .05). There was improvement in LDL cholesterol levels (P < .05) in the LF group but not in the LC group. There were no adverse effects on the lipid profiles of participants in either group. Conclusions The LC diet appears to be an effective method for short-term weight loss in overweight adolescents and does not harm the lipid profile.



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Mean plasma concentrations of total cholesterol, triglycerides, LDL cholesterol, and HDL cholesterol were normal in each of the two groups before starting the diets. A significant interaction (P < 0.05) was found for plasma triglycerides, but this was probably due to a difference between the groups at baseline. Differences in plasma lipids between the groups were not detected at the 3- or 6-month assessments (Table 4). Significant time effects (P < 0.01) for all of the plasma lipids indicated that the subjects improved their lipid profiles during the course of the study, with significant decreases in total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and triglycerides at 3 months and significant increases in HDL cholesterol at 6 months



http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2002-021480

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Weight loss was significantly greater in the MLC (13.6 lb) than in the NCEP group (7.5 lb), a difference of 6.1 lb (P = .02). There were no significant differences between the groups for total, low density, and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, triglycerides, or the proportion of small, dense low-density lipoprotein particles. There were significantly favorable changes in all lipid levels within the MLC but not within the NCEP group. Waist-to-hip ratio was not significantly reduced between the groups (P = .27), but it significantly decreased within the MLC group (P = .009).



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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: azur]
    #21927949 - 07/11/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Atkins lacks energy needed to be active




wrong Azur. low-carb dieters have better access to energy than normal dieters. this is why its a diet favored by endurance runners.


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The average human can only store about 2,000 kcals of energy as glycogen, but can store well over 25,000 kcals as fat.10 For someone following a high-carbohydrate diet, the only way for them to access this wealth of stored fuel would during periods of increased energy demand, such as during prolonged exercise, calorie-restriction, or fasting.10

However, a fat-adapted person is primed to efficiently access this enormous reservoir of energy, preferentially using fat for energy, and fat-adapted athletes are able to rely less heavily on glycogen during exercise.11

10 Volek JS, Noakes T, Phinney SD. Rethinking fat as a fuel for endurance exercise. Eur J Sport Sci. 2014;15(1):13-20.
11 Phinney SD, Bistrian BR, Evans WJ, Gervino E, Blackburn GL. The human metabolic response to chronic ketosis without caloric restriction: Preservation of submaximal exercise capability with reduced carbohydrate oxidation. Metabolism. 1983;32(8):769-776.




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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: Munchauzen]
    #21927966 - 07/11/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Than normal dieters you said.
I think most diets do give you a lack of energy. Which is why i say it is imperative that you be active.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: azur]
    #21928006 - 07/11/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Low carbs are a must but not super low. The carbs to avoid are simple sugars especially hfcs or corn syrup. Bread and flour breaks down to sugar too fast so avoid that but there are more complex carbs you can eat such as sweet potatoes. Veggies naturally contain complex carbs and they are good for you.

With a low carb diet you do dip into your stores of fat more easily. That is the whole idea, to get rid of the excess calories stored in the massive rolls of fat. It doesn't happen overnight, it takes months and in the case of someone extremely fat, it can take a couple years but they see the results a lot sooner. First they see it on the scale, then in the mirror, then their friends comment on it. Its a good feeling and makes you want to keep going.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21928095 - 07/11/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It doesn't matter whether it comes in the form of steel cut oats, rolled oats, oat meal, rye flour, wheat flour, pearled barely or anything in between. If the integrity of the kernel has been comprised,  your body will metabolise it just as fast no matter what form it comes in. Whole, uncomprimised grain is slow digesting and is completely healthy to eat on it's own. Quick carbs are okay to eat if 1) you are active and 2) if you eat healthy fats and proteins that help slow down digestion. It's the reason why eggs, toast and real butter go so well together and it used to be a staple of the American diet.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: insanemike]
    #21928125 - 07/11/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You have a point, whole grains are better than flour of any type. That's why I said no "sugar, flour or wheat" But admittedly, everything has some sugar so we avoid excess added sugar or artificial sugars. They have proven with many studies that fake sugars cause weight gain, they cause sugar cravings just like real sugar.


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21928177 - 07/11/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Completely agree. When you walk into a convenience store to get your gas, you are confronted by all of your legal addictions. Convenience stores are full of gambling, nicotine, caffeine, sugar, fat and salt that thrive off of your impulses. The sad thing is, if you are not aware of it, you will continue to fall into that trap. Always plan your meals and carry healthy snacks like a banana, apple, orange, whole nuts or whole seeds (non roasted and non salted)


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Re: Fat People Are Genetically Advanced Human Beings [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21928186 - 07/11/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That were created through evolution to further the human race.

So the next time you see a fat person, show some respect, and realize, they are superior to you and your genetics.



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