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Violet



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What's a RSS feed? I just pop in every once in a while. I do way more stuff with my life and I spare very little attention to here now. If it seems like I respond quickly, it's coincidence. I don't even look at the dates. But this thread showed up on the forums with my name on it - Pasty's last post before mine was just like 40mins beforehand. Whatever an RSS feed is, one wouldn't need it for that shit, it's like a big neon sign sharing "THIS IS A RARE POST RELEVANT TO YOU" But of course that doesn't sound nearly so catty against me, does it, so of course it's not the conclusion you jump to.
Uh Bod, you have openly admitted to trolling me. Remember? It was this whole big thing? So in your own words, you ARE a "troll fuck", just not like a shill or whatever else you think it means to be a troll.
See, I DONT work hard to get my results. I USED to work hard to get results that were AT BEST similar to my AVERAGE results now. Working long days making zany lids, preparing giant vats of grain, sterilizing and handling hot jars, breaking up growth, precisely hydrating substrates, dunking bags of it with bricks into temperature-controlled hot baths for hours on end, cleaning and setting up tubs... I have much better success just sterilizing an easy seed in an unmodified container, inoculating, and fruiting right from there.
So rather than getting my results with "hard work" and skill, I have actually become a LAZY grower, and do better than ever. It's just working smart, not hard.
No matter how much time you spend being contrarian to me on an online forum, you can never magically invalidate my consistent experience with my own methods. So I will never stop saying that my methods have been easier and more productive for me than anything I've tried (which includes pretty much everything except Pasty's new jam)
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Edited by Violet (07/11/15 03:47 PM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: Violet]
#21928555 - 07/11/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow. There is no need for all this anamosity guys. We are as a community fortunate to have a host of methods and materials at our disposal. We have people willing to do the legwork to polish these methods and provide their findings for the benefit of all. Some people maybe are overly protective of their methods and have a hard time with criticism. I can understand that. It takes a fair amount of guts to post a write-up and put your name on it (or have your name attached to it by the community). I feel that any method that can actually produce fruits has at least some fundamentals that we can learn from. Whether they suit our personal needs is something else, but that doesn't mean there is no value or nothing to be learned.
Violet takes a fair amount of criticism here, some of it is warrented, but much of it is directed at her due to the attacks made by anne on the people who prefer bulk. Since anne is banned, violet takes it in her stead. Its in the past guys, lets leave it there please.
I have done just about every method there is to grow mushrooms. I have found merit in all and I have yet to find one that doesn't have at least one drawback. The only way we grow as cultivators is to open our minds up and put hubris aside.
At the moment I am in the position of having to give up bulk as I need to deal with grow area concerns and renovations (and some IRL stuff). In the meantime i will be only able to continue my work with the rustywhyte on a small scale which means invitro, bottles, and v tek. I am grateful that these small scale options exist allowing me to continue an area of my work while my issues surrounding infrastructure are resolved. All things have value. Lets not forget that.
I am going to be working on a non spawned method going forward as well. It shows great promise. It also has kinks that I am still working on. But once I work them out, it will produce a BE that is incredible. This was actually inspired by some of violets methods even tho it doesn't really resemble them. We can all learn from each other.
This was 70 grams worth of substrate.
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Wow, as the OP I had no idea my question would inspire this kind of combat! I really appreciate all of the interest and Violet, want to thank you for coming in and participating.
Does anyone know if it's likely to get better yields using Muda's bottle tek but only filling the zip loc quart jar 1/3 of the way like Violet suggests and just fruiting it in the jar with no fruiting chamber or would it be better to go with RGS and casing or no casing at all? I'm mostly interested in fruiting invitro in the jar, no tub or sgfc for stealth reasons. Just want to hear what people think would be the best formula to put in the jar for simplicity that taps into the bottom watering principle to increase yields?????????
That's the kind of questions I'd love to see discussed rather than analysis of poster's personalities or motivations. I think we can all agree that Violet has written up some very thorough and super helpful information in a really giving way. That deserves, at least in my humble opinion, a big thank you from the community.
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Pastywhyte said: Wow. There is no need for all this anamosity guys. We are as a community fortunate to have a host of methods and materials at our disposal. We have people willing to do the legwork to polish these methods and provide their findings for the benefit of all. Some people maybe are overly protective of their methods and have a hard time with criticism. I can understand that. It takes a fair amount of guts to post a write-up and put your name on it (or have your name attached to it by the community). I feel that any method that can actually produce fruits has at least some fundamentals that we can learn from. Whether they suit our personal needs is something else, but that doesn't mean there is no value or nothing to be learned.
Violet takes a fair amount of criticism here, some of it is warrented, but much of it is directed at her due to the attacks made by anne on the people who prefer bulk. Since anne is banned, violet takes it in her stead. Its in the past guys, lets leave it there please.
I have done just about every method there is to grow mushrooms. I have found merit in all and I have yet to find one that doesn't have at least one drawback. The only way we grow as cultivators is to open our minds up and put hubris aside.
At the moment I am in the position of having to give up bulk as I need to deal with grow area concerns and renovations (and some IRL stuff). In the meantime i will be only able to continue my work with the rustywhyte on a small scale which means invitro, bottles, and v tek. I am grateful that these small scale options exist allowing me to continue an area of my work while my issues surrounding infrastructure are resolved. All things have value. Lets not forget that.
I am going to be working on a non spawned method going forward as well. It shows great promise. It also has kinks that I am still working on. But once I work them out, it will produce a BE that is incredible. This was actually inspired by some of violets methods even tho it doesn't really resemble them. We can all learn from each other.
This was 70 grams worth of substrate.

to add to that, we should put in effort to become stronger as community by supporting each other instead of bashing on each other. The only way progress can continue is if we open our minds and apply what we learn to further along our own know how. Violet opened up a whole new world of possibities with the pp5 containers. The same pp5 containers that muda swears by. if not for violet tek, maybe muda wouldn't have expanded upon the idea of converting it to his own needs as in sterile bulk substrates. I love it and I support any progress being made.
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to add to that, we should put in effort to become stronger as community by supporting each other instead of bashing on each other. The only way progress can continue is if we open our minds and apply what we learn to further along our own know how. Violet opened up a whole new world of possibities with the pp5 containers. The same pp5 containers that muda swears by. if not for violet tek, maybe muda wouldn't have expanded upon the idea of converting it to his own needs as in sterile bulk substrates. I love it and I support any progress being made.
Really well said, Mike. If you remember, when you come out with your new ideas on the tek you said you're working on, I hope I see it as I'm really interested. If you want to PM me on it, I'd love to know more. I'm going to commit to this style of growing for a number of reasons, I could care less if the yield is a bit better with a bulk grow because It just doesn't work for me to have big tubs all over the place. I like the ability to test a lot of different strains and cultures, do small grows, have it all be very stealthy and no need for growing chambers. What I'm looking for is the best possible substrate with no casing needed to grow completely invitro in the PP5 jars with no fruiting chamber needed.
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Violet



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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21929402 - 07/11/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grain mixes with bulk substrates are very effective for invitro grows like those! No need for casing layers since the low-nutrient bulk is all over, and they have a water reserve on hand so are less needy for water, though you will still need to add water.
-------------------- Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it! PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers The simplest, quickest, safest tek! For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers! • Violet's Teks and Posts •
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: Violet]
#21929455 - 07/11/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Violet said: and they have a water reserve on hand so are less needy for water, though you will still need to add water.
Very true, this one sucked so much water and nutes out that the sub was being pulled up from the bottom of the bottle. Only got 2 flushes from it cause it was so spent.
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KauaiOrca
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Violet said: and they have a water reserve on hand so are less needy for water, though you will still need to add water.
Very true, this one sucked so much water and nutes out that the sub was being pulled up from the bottom of the bottle. Only got 2 flushes from it cause it was so spent.

My God what a flush! What kind of substrate and fruiting chamber did you use to get that kind of results? Would love to find a culture that would grow like that!
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21929666 - 07/11/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Substrate was oats, coir, verm, straw, hpoo, gypsum, and worm castings. Fruiting chamber was a monotub with holes stuffed and filled with other bottles. Culture was a strong clone.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21929668 - 07/11/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Violet said: and they have a water reserve on hand so are less needy for water, though you will still need to add water.
Very true, this one sucked so much water and nutes out that the sub was being pulled up from the bottom of the bottle. Only got 2 flushes from it cause it was so spent.

My God what a flush! What kind of substrate and fruiting chamber did you use to get that kind of results? Would love to find a culture that would grow like that!
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as for cloning too it doesn't have to be made that hard either
cloning and culturing is easier without the convoluted methods of thinking you have to keep everything in-vitro and sterile.
strain isolation, agar work, and cloning are incredibly easy tasks with some practice. playing ship in a bottle is great if you can't manage to figure those techniques out.
some of the v methods give noobs this idea that these techniques are somehow difficult and doing everything in such a sterile way is somehow an easier more effective way of doing things. this is noob appeal 101.
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bodhisatta said: as for cloning too it doesn't have to be made that hard either
cloning and culturing is easier without the convoluted methods of thinking you have to keep everything in-vitro and sterile.
strain isolation, agar work, and cloning are incredibly easy tasks with some practice. playing ship in a bottle is great if you can't manage to figure those techniques out.
some of the v methods give noobs this idea that these techniques are somehow difficult and doing everything in such a sterile way is somehow an easier more effective way of doing things. this is noob appeal 101.
I guess I was reacting more to the fast and easy way to test a clone or culture out on a small cake of RGS right in a fruiting chamber … super fast and easy. You could test out a bunch of them simultaneously without needing a lot of different fruiting chambers going on, etc. I'm not much of a fan of the PF Tek method, SGFC, dunking, rolling, misting fanning, etc … One step system from picking a clear grain/pin and seeing if it fruits in the middle of the small RGS cake and taking it from there. Seems like less transfers but thanks for the advice and I'm trying the MUDA bottles right now with 3 new strains … hopefully with good results but too early to tell.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21929764 - 07/11/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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take your clones from a grow just the same thing you plan on doing your full sized grows otherwise your clone isn't representative of the conditions and or substrate you're trying to optimize.
you should test clones in a very similar setup to your full sized ambitions too. test cakes are fine though if you want to make quick and easy testing of clones just make PF cakes in shot glasses or 1/4 pints and use your clone culture on those
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bodhisatta said: take your clones from a grow just the same thing you plan on doing your full sized grows otherwise your clone isn't representative of the conditions and or substrate you're trying to optimize.
you should test clones in a very similar setup to your full sized ambitions too. test cakes are fine though if you want to make quick and easy testing of clones just make PF cakes in shot glasses or 1/4 pints and use your clone culture on those
How do you then grow out your small 1/4 pint cakes? In a SGFC?
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Violet



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Give it a rest for once man. Christ. You seem to be assuming Orca is highly ignorant about alternatives, and couldn't possibly have made this choice on purpose.
The culture method doesn't make cloning hard. It makes it WAY easier than other alternatives where you have to take some kind of sterile biopsy. Tweeting a pin from one container to another could not POSSIBLY be easier. Duh...
Yeah, growing your brf sub in an invitro container is WAY simpler, easier, and more assured than PFtek. I'd like to see a well-founded argument with *significant* points to the contrary. "Noob appeal 101" is apparently a pretty damn good suggestion then. Thanks. Although perhaps you're just cutting at the higher sterile success rates with my method. Also a good thing, and also verifiably true. I just don't see where you get off pretending these things are somehow sensationalist. They're obvious. I end how I began - give it a rest for once.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21929853 - 07/11/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I usually just do things open air with a vermiculite casing, put a ziploc bag or a grocery bag over the top with some holes while you're gone.
or you could shove them in some monotub real estate if you do the monotub thing and are going to do the the monotub thing for your jars.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: Violet]
#21929855 - 07/11/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Violet said: Give it a rest for once man. Christ. You seem to be assuming Orca is highly ignorant about alternatives, and couldn't possibly have made this choice on purpose.
Yeah, growing your brf sub in an invitro container is WAY simpler, easier, and more assured than PFtek. I'd like to see a well-founded argument with *significant* points to the contrary. "Noob appeal 101" is apparently a pretty damn good suggestion then. Thanks. Although perhaps you're just cutting at the higher sterile success rates with my method. Also a good thing, and also verifiably true. I just don't see where you get off pretending these things are somehow sensationalist. They're obvious. I end how I began - give it a rest for once.
you're ignored until you disappear for another few months, like I said if you don't like my opinions buzz off or put me on ignore. I don't give any fucks about your feels OK got it?
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Violet



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Yay!
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anyways...

if you want to make a test cake, or even just make a cake to get a mushroom to clone it's super easy and fast
it literally takes 10m to make the cake mix your water verm brf put into a jar put your lid on(I used a grain jar lid and do these cakes semi in-vitro)
inoculate with a syringe or agar or whatever else.
there's no grain prep and the sterilization time on a cake this small in a pressure cooker is minimal, or you can just use a steam bath with a much much bigger pot since steam baths work for PF cakes and you don't need a PC.
either way keep it easy, quick, simple, fast, cheap, etc..
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Violet



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... And you're not telling him anything different than my invitro gs/brf tek.
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