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KauaiOrca
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Violet's V-Tek ???
#21924287 - 07/10/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does anyone use or have an opinion on the extensive tek Violet posted using RGS and ziploc containers? It seems like one of the simplest systems of all. One substrate, minimal chance of contams, easy system to clone and find suitable genetics and stealthy as heck.
I'm just wondering if anyone has tried it and what you're experience is with RGS in those ziploc plastic quarts used as the fruiting chamber? Any success? Any strains that do better than others in that grow environment?
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21924304 - 07/10/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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All the people in Violet's thread have an opinion. Ask there.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21924308 - 07/10/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't have much of an opinion but here is an experiment by pasty, comparing v-tek to bulk.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19219682
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spacechildo
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oh man, that thread. see ya in a week OP!
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bodhisatta 
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haha, lots of hype, not a lot of results to back them up, not many cultivators, who I consider good cultivators, have been able to meet the claims including myself.
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca] 1
#21925022 - 07/10/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've done a fair amount of experimentation with it. Bottomwatering works wonderfully and it produces dense, beautiful, well proportioned mushrooms. I learned on it and it tought me a lot about how to work with grains and do casings. Would recommend.
I cannot comment on invitro quarts yet, as I have not used them. An invitro glass quart I had did alright, but underyielded and was prone to aborts. Dunno why. It was a crapshoot that I paid little attention to. If it works like she says, it should be great. About to test some invitro pp5 quarts with PF cakes, so that should give me a good idea. IMO probably worth using a casing even if you opt for grass seed, as my v-tek invitro half pints side-pin HARD.
I used standard V-tek with pint containers, which requires a fruiting chamber. I do not have a greenhouse yet, and other fruiting chambers I've used have not functioned too well. In short, an unmodified underbed tote created a boss pinset but oxygen starved them during fruiting, a shotgun minitub dried them out, and a std 60qt tote only fit 6 or 8 of my square containers so I never even bothered to try.
My best yield was around 9oz wet (just checked my notes) off 2 containers, 1 cup rgs each, multispore. I think it would have been better with a good FC and a better pinset. Doesn't really compare to the 20oz+ wet I've gotten off 3 cups of WBS spawned to 1.5qt coir. RGS is much less dense than WBS though.
Personally, I intend to use Vtek almost exclusively once my greenhouse is up. I just really like the fruits. Bottomwatering is pretty easy: when you see the pins are getting to the point where they explode in volume, just pour some water in to compensate for what's about to be used. Grass seed was an easy grain to start with, but now I'm really digging rice. Even though it's easy to burst rice, it strains to the point where it's not wet on the outside and ready to PC in a matter of minutes. If I can hit 7.5oz per container as she says she's done with ideal cultures, it will be on par with bulk yields.
IMO, the problem with V-tek is that there is no good smedium way to do it like mini-monos. Sounds like invitro may have solved that problem.
P.S. *Check dollarstores for pp5 containers. $3 for 2 twist n locks is pretty spendy. I've paid 1$ for a pair nearly the same. *WBS works well for this tek also. I think it may have lower water capacity (not much space for mycellium between grains) and require a bit more monitoring for bottomwatering. *PP5 twisttop quarts are what I would want for grain spawn for bulk anyway, so there is literally NOTHING lost by trying invitro vtek.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (07/10/15 03:42 PM)
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bodhisatta 
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insanemike

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If you are into pp5 containers, muda's tek is the shit. Everything stays sterile until fruiting and you can put pretty much anything in them because of that. It kind of brings v-tek and bulk together. anyway, here is the link. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21168958
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KauaiOrca
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insanemike said: If you are into pp5 containers, muda's tek is the shit. Everything stays sterile until fruiting and you can put pretty much anything in them because of that. It kind of brings v-tek and bulk together. anyway, here is the link. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21168958
I think his tek is awesome, still requires a fruiting chamber which is what intrigues me about the latest version of Violet's RGS tek where you only fill the pp5 container about 1/3 of the way and use the headroom for fruiting. That's the one I'm wondering about in terms of success. It has no casing, no mixing of substrate, no exposure to contams and no fruiting chamber necessary … pretty amazing if it works as you just prepare your grains, PC, inoculate and wait. Bottom water when it pins … that's about as simple as it gets.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21925396 - 07/10/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: If you are into pp5 containers, muda's tek is the shit. Everything stays sterile until fruiting and you can put pretty much anything in them because of that. It kind of brings v-tek and bulk together. anyway, here is the link. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21168958
I think his tek is awesome, still requires a fruiting chamber which is what intrigues me about the latest version of Violet's RGS tek where you only fill the pp5 container about 1/3 of the way and use the headroom for fruiting. That's the one I'm wondering about in terms of success. It has no casing, no mixing of substrate, no exposure to contams and no fruiting chamber necessary … pretty amazing if it works as you just prepare your grains, PC, inoculate and wait. Bottom water when it pins … that's about as simple as it gets.
Give me a couple weeks, I'm working on something I like to call a singleshot fruiting chamber which uses those quart pp5's. I'm in the process of developing the inlet/outlet configuration. I should have the hole configuration figured out by the end of the weekend. I will be writing a tek.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21925455 - 07/10/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did brf cakes instead of rgs. Multispore. 4 containers. It's over all cheaper and same results as cakes in in a sgfc. Don't need a fruiting chamber. I've averaged about a 1/2 oz off each container so far. . I think that's pretty good.
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KauaiOrca
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Mushroom_J said: I did brf cakes instead of rgs. Multispore. 4 containers. It's over all cheaper and same results as cakes in in a sgfc. Don't need a fruiting chamber. I've averaged about a 1/2 oz off each container so far. . I think that's pretty good.
Some flushes were better than others.




That's awesome and exactly what I was looking for! Did you have to case the BRF cakes? Did you just crack the lids a bit as she suggests to get them to fruit and your pictures look like the fruits are bigger than the PP5 quart jars so did you have to take the lids off and just let them grow out when they got big?
Great pics and thanks for the response!!!
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Mushroom_J said: I did brf cakes instead of rgs. Multispore. 4 containers. It's over all cheaper and same results as cakes in in a sgfc. Don't need a fruiting chamber. I've averaged about a 1/2 oz off each container so far. . I think that's pretty good.
Some flushes were better than others.




Dude I'm sorry but all that verm all over everything, what the fuck? All on the scale, all on the caps, all on the table, probably on the floor. Sometimes I think I'm the only one that cleans up my shit before I weigh it. Ain't nobody interested in how much verm weighs.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: Inocuole]
#21925931 - 07/10/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i bet it weighs less than the peat i leave on mine
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I'm sure that's tasty. But nah I give everybody shit about that, I'm also super meticulous about getting the fruits 100% clean before they hit the dehydrator or the scale. Some people's harvests be lookin like a caveman just ripped them up out of there with fists.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21926396 - 07/10/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushroom_J said: I did brf cakes instead of rgs. Multispore. 4 containers. It's over all cheaper and same results as cakes in in a sgfc. Don't need a fruiting chamber. I've averaged about a 1/2 oz off each container so far. . I think that's pretty good.
Some flushes were better than others.




That's awesome and exactly what I was looking for! Did you have to case the BRF cakes? Did you just crack the lids a bit as she suggests to get them to fruit and your pictures look like the fruits are bigger than the PP5 quart jars so did you have to take the lids off and just let them grow out when they got big?
Great pics and thanks for the response!!!
PP5 quart and a PP5 kids cup.

It works fine doing it the way she wrote it up. You can case, but you'll still get mushrooms of you don't. I got an eighth dry first flush from the PP5 quart. If your going for bulk, do Muda's bottles.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21926422 - 07/10/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does anyone use or have an opinion on the extensive tek Violet posted using RGS and ziploc containers?
Yes I have an opinion. It is an extremely inefficient waste of time, energy, and resources. She makes incredible claims that can only be replicated by her under dubious circumstances. Shit science if I've ever seen it.
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Re: Violet's V-Tek ??? [Re: Grey] 1
#21926425 - 07/10/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Invitro is all well and good but has its drawbacks. I find that the fruits are often lanky from high CO2 and will need extra headroom. I basicly just rest the lid on top so they can push it off. This is counterproductive if you are doing it for really clean prints but works fine if you're just growing small amounts for fun.
This sub was straw and flour.
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Pastywhyte
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I am still playing around with V tek but I find like any method it has ups and downs. I have yet to find a cube culture it really likes but there is real potential for exotics. Muda did some sweet pans in it and my pans liked it as well. I am gonna keep at it for cubes and I plan to try a few edibles with it as well.
I do dislike bottom watering, I can barely be bothered to mist tubs sometimes, preferring to case and forget. I also greatly dislike the cost of RGS which is really high for Canadians. I am experimenting with other grains all the time. Millet is next
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I like all of the methods, and get results exactly like what's described in the threads! 
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