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So what up with Libya?
    #2192421 - 12/20/03 07:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Any chance their change in tune is a result of Iraq? Obviously this will be seen as a win for Bush and the war or terror. Are there other less obvious reasons they would make this change?


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Re: So what up with Lybia? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2192432 - 12/20/03 07:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think the reason is Bush and what he did in Iraq.

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Re: So what up with Lybia? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2192449 - 12/20/03 08:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

But that would mean that the war is making the world safer.  :shocked:


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Re: So what up with Lybia? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2192967 - 12/20/03 03:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'd have to say so as well. If our actions caused a leader who has in the past supported terrorists to cease all interaction therewith, and cease production of any weapons that terrorists could use easily, then we did a good thing.


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Re: So what up with Lybia? [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2193165 - 12/20/03 05:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Or maybe the lure of potential $$$ helped speed things along aswell, like with all the other supported dictatorships past and present that get financial rewards in one way or another.

"Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has now opened the prospect of an end to sanctions and a return of U.S. oil firms."

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Re: So what up with Lybia? [Re: Sorted]
    #2193175 - 12/20/03 05:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It is probably easy for us to try and point at one or two things but I bet there and a number of factors at play here.


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Re: So what up with Lybia? [Re: Sorted]
    #2193220 - 12/20/03 06:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If it was more oil sales, or the threat of Quaddafi's little "line of death" being crossed ever so delicatly by US bombers, as hapened last time, it doesn't matter. He's stopping. If he wants to join the civilized world and not be a terrorist bastard, I'mm sure his nation will prosper more.


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2193584 - 12/20/03 10:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Libya to Give Up WMD, U.N. Demands More Time

(2003-12-19) -- Just hours after the announcement that Libya has offered to give up its weapons of mass destruction program and submit to immediate, unconditional inspections, United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Libya must be given more time to make the decision to abandon WMD.

"You can't just announce this all at once," said Mr. Annan. "Libya should invest the time to build a true multilateral coalition before inspections can even be contemplated. This is a 12-year process at minimum."

In related news, Democrat presidential candidate Howard Dean said that Libya would have destroyed its WMD program much sooner if the United States had not invaded Iraq.

"America will not be safer when Libyan WMD are destroyed," said Mr. Dean.


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: Phred]
    #2193981 - 12/21/03 04:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What the hell is going on? A counyry wants to give up WMDs anf the UN says oh wait you can't do that, take some more time to think about it. This is a 12 yr process. That is exactly why the US must be prepared to act on it's own. IMO.  :wink:


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2194413 - 12/21/03 09:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What the hell is going on? A counyry wants to give up WMDs anf the UN says oh wait you can't do that, take some more time to think about it. This is a 12 yr process. That is exactly why the US must be prepared to act on it's own. IMO.  :wink:




ummm...it's a fucking joke, sally.


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Re: So what up with Lybia? [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2194839 - 12/22/03 02:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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  the threat of Quaddafi's little "line of death" being crossed




This is the line of death, do not cross it! hey, you crossed, well do not cross this line of death!, damnit, dont cross this one because we are serious now! Quit crossing my line of death yankee!!!

yeah, I liked that one, Quaddafi was such a clown, has he gotten his own TV show yet? :lol:


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Re: So what up with Lybia? [Re: Granola]
    #2195062 - 12/22/03 05:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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  the threat of Quaddafi's little "line of death" being crossed




This is the line of death, do not cross it! hey, you crossed, well do not cross this line of death!, damnit, dont cross this one because we are serious now! Quit crossing my line of death yankee!!!

yeah, I liked that one, Quaddafi was such a clown, has he gotten his own TV show yet? :lol:




Yea, that was pretty funny. I think it was Leary (not timothy...) that said that as soon as he made that announcement, we crossed two oceans to blow his fucking line of death to, well, his family :smile: See, arabs DO learn, and they learn exceptionally well in that particular way.


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: afoaf]
    #2200366 - 12/25/03 01:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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mntlfngrs said:
What the hell is going on? A counyry wants to give up WMDs anf the UN says oh wait you can't do that, take some more time to think about it. This is a 12 yr process. That is exactly why the US must be prepared to act on it's own. IMO.  :wink:




ummm...it's a fucking joke, sally.




I thought the wink. :wink: covered that, I guess not.


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2200704 - 12/25/03 07:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No, it covered it just fine for most of us.


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2201194 - 12/25/03 07:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not too clear on the events in Libya, were the whiny liberals upset that we bombed Colonel <khadaffi?> then as well?


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2201295 - 12/25/03 10:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i don't think there's any connection with what just happened in iraq. i mean, they haven't exactly been talking tough about libya lately. perhaps if the same announcements were coming out of iran, i could see a connection.

i think kaddafi is doing this for political gains a little less substantial than averting a US invasion.


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: ]
    #2201324 - 12/25/03 10:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

My uncle died in panam and libya was responsible so my aunts getting like 10 million dollars more. And shes a stingy rich bitch. She already got 25 million from panam. I hate rich people :laugh:


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: DatDaNK420]
    #2201363 - 12/25/03 11:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think that Libya is an excellent idea on how these people respond to us.  They initially sponsor terrorism against us (the airplane over lockerbie scotland) and we tell them not to do so.  He refuses, claiming absolute power over us, he even draws a line in the sand, a line of "death", that any American that crosses will not go back home alive, still sounding familiar right?  We then flew over, bombed the holy be-jebus out of his palace and some military infrastructure, killing his family.  How much has he done since then?  When their definition of an "attack" is killing three thousand Americans after millions of dollars in training and transportation, and three years of planning, killing 20 of their people, and our idea of "attacking" is taking over two of their nations, bombing the shit out of their leaders; killing them and their familes, destroying all form of military infrastructer that they possess, then move in, take over their cities, and our losses are just slightly higher (percentage wise) than their attacks.  Keep up the good work, Mohammed, we'll getcha yet :smile:


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2202033 - 12/26/03 01:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

this is bullshit. kadafi is a _real_ terrorist, and we're cutting deals with him. where's the fucking justice in that? where's the fucking moral idignation?

I know a guy who has dual us/canadian citizenship who flys to canada then to lybia to manage an oil field 6 months out of the year. he's stinking rich and this country allows it. it's bullshit, either condemn murder or don't.

fucking spineless oil fucks.


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Re: So what up with Libya? [Re: Malachi]
    #2203994 - 12/27/03 02:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think Kadifi is learning a lesson from Kim Jong Il of north korea rather than Hussien of Iraq. The lesson of extortion to try and level the playing field. Both Libya and N.Korea are failing socialist states that are heavily sanctioned by the UN/USA. But both have an equalizer in the fact that they have a stock of WMD's. Jong Il really doesnt want to mess with the US, he just wants money, food, supplies ect. and will prolly get his way if he choses to disarm on HIS terms.

Kadafi, a known terrorist, has his country in shambles. No mail system, sewage system, not even street names or addresses in the capitol of Tripoli. Civilian wages have been frozen by his regime since like 1974. His people starve under oppression much like those under Il's regime in N.Korea. But by giving up his WDM's, which he probably wasnt gonna use anyway, he can attempt to get back in the UN's good graces.


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