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There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue] 9
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue] 1
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There's animals that adapt, but No signs/or proof in changing to human beings.
"Evolution VS God"? Oh buddy, you've been duped by snake's oil salesmen. Evolution does not negate the existence of God at all.
Also, FYI, there is PLENTY of evidence that all land chordates are descendant from fish.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue] 3
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And you have proof we came from elsewhere? Oh okay take a seat and settle down then.
I've never understood this misconception that evolution = no god. What retard form of logic do people use to make that connection.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: Evolution does not negate the existence of God at all.
Not the existence of some generic god. But it does negate the existence of the hebrew god because that god is defined to have created life in a span of a few days.
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Turtletotem said: Evolution does not negate the existence of God at all.
Not the existence of some generic god. But it does negate the existence of the hebrew god because that god is defined to have created life in a span of a few days.
Pff.. ever heard of poetic truths and metaphor? You don't have to take shit so literally man.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie] 4
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There are many things that negate the existence of the Hebrew god, I just don't understand why they only attach themselves to the evolution part of it.
In the same sense that I don't get why the sin of being gay (in their minds) is placed above all the other sins that are accepted by society.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
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Ancient astronaut theorists would suggest......
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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SirShroomsAlott said: What retard form of logic do people use to make that connection.
The same retard logic that an an old white-guy living in the sky with a beard controls every aspect of their day-to-day lives.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie] 1
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We are very close to proving life generating microbes can travel across the universe, hitchhiking on comets. More and more scientists admit the likelihood of far more advanced species than humans all over the universe is extremely likely.
The question of how life started on earth, how it might have been accelerated or improved, what interventions or game changing tampering might have occurred and how "isolated" we really are is changing rapidly.
God may simply be a very advanced species that is farming many species of life on this planet. One thing for sure, though, the human species is far, far advanced from any other species on our planet and that creates a lot of mystery about how that gap emerged and no other species exists that is anywhere near humans in terms of intelligence and ability.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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SirShroomsAlott said: There are many things that negate the existence of the Hebrew god, I just don't understand why they only attach themselves to the evolution part of it.
In the same sense that I don't get why the sin of being gay (in their minds) is placed above all the other sins that are accepted by society.
It is because they are told (By whom, by the way?*) that these issues are what matters the most to Christians, and being religious types, they don't tend to question it.
*Come to think of it, who exactly is spreading this misinformation? Who stands to gain from this? My bet is things like "Christian" "Science" institutions, anti-gay programs and nutjob millionairs, but who knows?
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Turtletotem said: Evolution does not negate the existence of God at all.
Not the existence of some generic god. But it does negate the existence of the hebrew god because that god is defined to have created life in a span of a few days.
Pff.. ever heard of poetic truths and metaphor? You don't have to take shit so literally man.
I have heard of poetic truths and metaphor. The bible is not written in that way and is only interpreted in that way after its glaring inaccuracies are exposed. Its a retreat, its an equivocation, its a bunch of bullshit.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie] 1
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DieCommie said: I have heard of poetic truths and metaphor. The bible is not written in that way and is only interpreted in that way after its glaring inaccuracies are exposed. Its a retreat, its an equivocation, its a bunch of bullshit.
It's a huge part of people's lives, it's a crutch for the terrors of adulthood, it is a part of their cultural background, it is comfort in times of stress, it is community in times of plenty, it is what their parents taught them and what they will teach their kids. It's stories through which they view the world, it is personal and communal experiences and it is a shared history that goes back millenia.
Cut them a fucking break, as long as they are not harming anybody, what's it to you?
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SirShroomsAlott said: There are many things that negate the existence of the Hebrew god, I just don't understand why they only attach themselves to the evolution part of it.
In the same sense that I don't get why the sin of being gay (in their minds) is placed above all the other sins that are accepted by society.
It is because they are told (By whom, by the way?*) that these issues are what matters the most to Christians, and being religious types, they don't tend to question it.
*Come to think of it, who exactly is spreading this misinformation? Who stands to gain from this? My bet is things like "Christian" "Science" institutions, anti-gay programs and nutjob millionairs, but who knows?
To find out who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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SirShroomsAlott said: To find out who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire.
Sage advice, I'd add: follow the money to it, and I guess that gives us a pretty clear picture of the types of folks that go around turning ordinary god-loving people in raging hate puppets.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
#21923470 - 07/10/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Cut them a fucking break, as long as they are not harming anybody, what's it to you?
That is rarely the case. Either physically, mentally or even spiritually - they cause enormous harm. Believers are not benign, they are toxic.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie] 1
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Turtletotem said: Cut them a fucking break, as long as they are not harming anybody, what's it to you?
That is rarely the case. Either physically, mentally or even spiritually - they cause enormous harm. Believers are not benign, they are toxic.
Really? Do you live in Syria or one of those southern US towns that has like, a church for every 5 people? Because my experience has been very different from yours.
In my experience, people with faith are people... with faith.
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Nope, I live in a more secular part of the US. In my experience people with faith have a saccharine sweet shell that is devoid of substance and a rotten core. The more faith, the more rotten.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott] 3
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Just a couple things to note regarding early human evolution.
1) Early primitive bipedal (standing upright) half-ape / half-human creatures show up in the fossil record 4 to 5 million years ago.
2) There are dozens of species of early humans (H. Habilis, H. Erectus, H. Ergaster, H. Georgicus, H. Pekinensis, H. Heidelbergensis, H. Sapiens, H. Rudolfensis, etc.)
3) You will only find early humans (500,000 years old or older) in Africa.
4) You will never find a 500,000 or 1,000,000 year old early human in the Americas or Australia as we evolved from Africa and it took 100s of thousands of years to conquer the globe.
5) Looking at fossil record, you can track the movements, they slowly (over millions of years) spread into Europe and Asia, they finally get to America barely 15,000 or so years ago.
6) As the species change over time their brain sizes slowly get larger.
7) You can find evidence of primitive fire use (all over Africa) starting about 1 million years ago, as we started to cook meat and increase our brain size.
8) There are absolutely positively zero archaic human fossils found in America. You won't even find a Neandrathral fossil! Homo Sapiens were the only ones that made it here (less than 20,000 years ago).
Meet one of your ancestors, of the species Homo Erectus, from which you descend:
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said: Nope, I live in a more secular part of the US. In my experience people with faith have a saccharine sweet shell that is devoid of substance and a rotten core. The more faith, the more rotten.
Jesus Fucking Christ. Do you see what you are doing here?
@ Confucian: Very nice, I love early human history. I've got multiple books on the subject, but best of all is a DVD with a heavily dramatized account of the Out of Africa theory It's full of weapon using and shamans and shit, it's the bomb!
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Yea, I am judging a group of people based on their chosen philosophy and values.
You seem to be more of an apologist. Ill pass. I reserve my right to judge people based on their thoughts and actions.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Confucian]
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Confucian said: Just a couple things to note regarding early human evolution.
1) Early primitive bipedal (standing upright) half-ape / half-human creatures show up in the fossil record 4 to 5 million years ago.
2) There are dozens of species of early humans (H. Habilis, H. Erectus, H. Ergaster, H. Georgicus, H. Pekinensis, H. Heidelbergensis, H. Sapiens, H. Rudolfensis, etc.)
3) You will only find early humans (500,000 years old or older) in Africa.
4) You will never find a 500,000 or 1,000,000 year old early human in the Americas or Australia as we evolved from Africa and it took 100s of thousands of years to conquer the globe.
5) Looking at fossil record, you can track the movements, they slowly (over millions of years) spread into Europe and Asia, they finally get to America barely 15,000 or so years ago.
6) As the species change over time their brain sizes slowly get larger.
7) You can find evidence of primitive fire use (all over Africa) starting about 1 million years ago, as we started to cook meat and increase our brain size.
8) There are absolutely positively zero archaic human fossils found in America. You won't even find a Neandrathral fossil! Homo Sapiens were the only ones that made it here (less than 20,000 years ago).
Meet one of your ancestors, of the species Homo Erectus, from which you descend:

Is that a selfie?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said: Yea, I am judging a group of people based on their chosen philosophy and values.
You seem to be more of an apologist. Ill pass. I reserve my right to judge people based on their thoughts and actions.
You are judging people based on their philosophy, values and culture without taking the individual in account. You are just as bad as the extremists.
When you abstract a whole group of people away like that, you dehumanize them. This is exactly how groups like the KKK and Taliban operate.
And calling me an apologist... for shame. You don't even know me or what kind of believes I hold.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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You are judging people based on their philosophy, values and culture without taking the individual in account.
How can I possibly do one without the other?
Shame on you for comparing me to the KKK. That is a ridiculous knee-jerk accusation of one of the most terrible things one can be accused of in our country. I judge people based on the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
Judging people based on their choices and beliefs does not make me like the KKK.
edit - and of course the irony is that you are casting dispersion on whole groups (KKK and Taliban) based on their collective values, phiolophies and chosen beliefs without taking the individual into account. You are an apologist and a hypocrite.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
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There's animals that adapt, but No signs/or proof in changing to human beings.
there's no proof that extra terrestrials were not at the first thanksgiving either
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie]
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No you don't, you don't judge people based on the content of their character. You said so yourself.
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Politics doesn't help. Evolution, abortion, gay rights/same-sex marriage are wedge issues. For decades now they have been used to consolidate and inflame the base, ever since the unholy matrimony between the GOP and the religious right (remember Falwell's "Moral Majority"?)
These people have been told for so long to get mad at science, ivory tower libs, and gays for "ruining America" that they have great zeal to push back. The result are things like terrible textbooks, the recent scuttling of a bipartisan bill to authorize study of medical cannabis, anything to do with birth control being off the table even though it demonstrably reduces unwanted pregnancies and abortions, and so on.
The idea of teaching science in science class send them over the edge. Thus we get attempts to "teach the controversy" that isn't, to insert religion/mythology into science curricula. I would argue, this IS harm.
So we get cries of religious intolerance when tjey don't get their way; the white Christian now claims to be the biggest victim in the history of the US. Closer to the truth is that these folks seek to insert the Bible into the realm of secular law, and shove their beliefs down others' throats - all while claiming to revere the Constitution, without a hint of irony, but the abject hypocrisy shines through.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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DieCommie said: Yea, I am judging a group of people based on their chosen philosophy and values.
You seem to be more of an apologist. Ill pass. I reserve my right to judge people based on their thoughts and actions.
You are judging people based on their philosophy, values and culture without taking the individual in account. You are just as bad as the extremists.
When you abstract a whole group of people away like that, you dehumanize them. This is exactly how groups like the KKK and Taliban operate.
it's also how atheists and anti-racists and feminists operate
seems a lot of groups need to be eradicated for the betterment of mankind
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Confucian]
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Confucian said: Just a couple things to note regarding early human evolution.
1) Early primitive bipedal (standing upright) half-ape / half-human creatures show up in the fossil record 4 to 5 million years ago.
2) There are dozens of species of early humans (H. Habilis, H. Erectus, H. Ergaster, H. Georgicus, H. Pekinensis, H. Heidelbergensis, H. Sapiens, H. Rudolfensis, etc.)
3) You will only find early humans (500,000 years old or older) in Africa.
4) You will never find a 500,000 or 1,000,000 year old early human in the Americas or Australia as we evolved from Africa and it took 100s of thousands of years to conquer the globe.
5) Looking at fossil record, you can track the movements, they slowly (over millions of years) spread into Europe and Asia, they finally get to America barely 15,000 or so years ago.
6) As the species change over time their brain sizes slowly get larger.
7) You can find evidence of primitive fire use (all over Africa) starting about 1 million years ago, as we started to cook meat and increase our brain size.
8) There are absolutely positively zero archaic human fossils found in America. You won't even find a Neandrathral fossil! Homo Sapiens were the only ones that made it here (less than 20,000 years ago).
Meet one of your ancestors, of the species Homo Erectus, from which you descend:

There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that apes and various species of early man are clear linked in the fossil record. None. Zero. Nada. Zippo.
What is not clear at all is HOW the most modern species of man (certainly not aborigines) made a HUGE leap of progress in a tiny timeframe that no other species was capable of. There were no species of animals that also developed large brains (relative to their body size) with the exception of whales/dolphins and took the route of development of technology anywhere near what humans did.
The question I have is was there some kind of intervention to accelerate the development of the human species or is it all just random, chaotic, natural selection? Are we really truly sure that humans are the most advanced species that are interacting with our planet? Perhaps the most advanced species don't leave a lot of garbage and bones around to be discovered in the soil.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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What do you mean by aboriginees? They are as modern as we are, or is that what you meant?
Yes, the great leap forward is still a big mystery, and that makes it so damn interesting!
My guess is that at one point in time a critical treshold was reached, our brainpower and language had advanced to a certain tipping point, and when the climate became more favorable, all this pent up potential came bursting forth.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Confucian said: Just a couple things to note regarding early human evolution.
1) Early primitive bipedal (standing upright) half-ape / half-human creatures show up in the fossil record 4 to 5 million years ago.
2) There are dozens of species of early humans (H. Habilis, H. Erectus, H. Ergaster, H. Georgicus, H. Pekinensis, H. Heidelbergensis, H. Sapiens, H. Rudolfensis, etc.)
3) You will only find early humans (500,000 years old or older) in Africa.
4) You will never find a 500,000 or 1,000,000 year old early human in the Americas or Australia as we evolved from Africa and it took 100s of thousands of years to conquer the globe.
5) Looking at fossil record, you can track the movements, they slowly (over millions of years) spread into Europe and Asia, they finally get to America barely 15,000 or so years ago.
6) As the species change over time their brain sizes slowly get larger.
7) You can find evidence of primitive fire use (all over Africa) starting about 1 million years ago, as we started to cook meat and increase our brain size.
8) There are absolutely positively zero archaic human fossils found in America. You won't even find a Neandrathral fossil! Homo Sapiens were the only ones that made it here (less than 20,000 years ago).
Meet one of your ancestors, of the species Homo Erectus, from which you descend:

There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that apes and various species of early man are clear linked in the fossil record. None. Zero. Nada. Zippo.
What is not clear at all is HOW the most modern species of man (certainly not aborigines) made a HUGE leap of progress in a tiny timeframe that no other species was capable of. There were no species of animals that also developed large brains (relative to their body size) with the exception of whales/dolphins and took the route of development of technology anywhere near what humans did.
The question I have is was there some kind of intervention to accelerate the development of the human species or is it all just random, chaotic, natural selection? Are we really truly sure that humans are the most advanced species that are interacting with our planet? Perhaps the most advanced species don't leave a lot of garbage and bones around to be discovered in the soil.
If we look at how humans lived 50,000 years ago, I don't think you would call them so advanced.
"intervention to accelerate the development of the human species"
No, it's called nature.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: qman]
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Op my dad still trout fishes and so did my grandfather, so yea I came from fishers bro, come at me
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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My guess is that at one point in time a critical treshold was reached, our brainpower and language had advanced to a certain tipping point, and when the climate became more favorable, all this pent up potential came bursting forth.
But I am not a scientist, this is just something I suspect.
This is most definitely the shared opinion of most of the scientific community. It makes no sense to me at all, but I respect their opinions.
Nature shows us that species evolution and improvement is extremely slow … in virtually every case. Yet, we have a case where within a few thousand years, a single species moves from a very simple animal like existence of hunting and gathering and living in caves to constructing cities, enormous pyramids and utilizing amazing improvements in technology. There is now increasing proof that some of the structures built in Peru were built BEFORE the currently understood timeline of when man first emerged in the Americas.
There's a lot more to the story, is all I'm saying.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I've always thought the development of language is what helped our evolutionary advancement.
The ability to communicate effectively improved how fast we advanced tremendously.
No proof of that though.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Confucian]
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Confucian said: Just a couple things to note regarding early human evolution.
1) Early primitive bipedal (standing upright) half-ape / half-human creatures show up in the fossil record 4 to 5 million years ago.
2) There are dozens of species of early humans (H. Habilis, H. Erectus, H. Ergaster, H. Georgicus, H. Pekinensis, H. Heidelbergensis, H. Sapiens, H. Rudolfensis, etc.)
3) You will only find early humans (500,000 years old or older) in Africa.
4) You will never find a 500,000 or 1,000,000 year old early human in the Americas or Australia as we evolved from Africa and it took 100s of thousands of years to conquer the globe.
5) Looking at fossil record, you can track the movements, they slowly (over millions of years) spread into Europe and Asia, they finally get to America barely 15,000 or so years ago.
6) As the species change over time their brain sizes slowly get larger.
7) You can find evidence of primitive fire use (all over Africa) starting about 1 million years ago, as we started to cook meat and increase our brain size.
8) There are absolutely positively zero archaic human fossils found in America. You won't even find a Neandrathral fossil! Homo Sapiens were the only ones that made it here (less than 20,000 years ago).
Meet one of your ancestors, of the species Homo Erectus, from which you descend:

an absence of evidence isnt evidence of absence
radio carbon dating places man at the Topper excavation site at around 50,000 years ago at the earliest and 22,900 years ago at the latest. archeology is a fairly new field and since we havent been digging up the country to look for bones and other artifacts we cannot guarantee a time where man or pre-man has arrived on this continent or any other, all we can do is base our hypothesis on what's been uncovered to date
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topper_Site
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Prisoner#1]
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we cannot guarantee a time where man or pre-man has arrived on this continent or any other, all we can do is base our hypothesis on what's been uncovered to date
That is always the case for every conclusion reached by science though. Pointing it out in a discussion like this suggests that this is some kind of unique weakness - its not. All scientific conclusions are tentative with respect to new evidence.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: qman]
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"intervention to accelerate the development of the human species"
No, it's called nature.
I find it absolutely laughable when people have such intense certainty that they are 100% certain how humans came to be and how our development occurred. We are barely out of the crib in terms of our understanding of our earth, let alone our universe and the incredible mysteries of DNA. There is a lot of evidence that is very credible that something has happened to mankind in the last 50,000 years that accelerated our development in a way that has no precedent at all in nature. There are structures that have been built by primitive man that simply defy any logical description at all of how it was done. There are myths on this planet from virtually every single nook and cranny that describes elaborate relationships with very advanced beings.
Science is making great progress. They have still not solved even the most basic problem of how life starts from "lifeless matter" yet countless billions have been spent trying to replicate and prove this process. Moving from chemical reactions to life that wants to survive, replicates, thinks, seeks out resources, evolves, etc is one HUGE leap and we can't prove it's even possible, yet you've got it all figured out how humans made a leap that we can't find anywhere else in nature … LMAO.
There are many mysteries we are truly clueless about. I suspect the real history of modern man is one of them.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Yeah but what about the missing link between the link between the link between the link?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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"intervention to accelerate the development of the human species"
No, it's called nature.
I find it absolutely laughable when people have such intense certainty that they are 100% certain how humans came to be and how our development occurred. We are barely out of the crib in terms of our understanding of our earth, let alone our universe and the incredible mysteries of DNA. There is a lot of evidence that is very credible that something has happened to mankind in the last 50,000 years that accelerated our development in a way that has no precedent at all in nature. There are structures that have been built by primitive man that simply defy any logical description at all of how it was done. There are myths on this planet from virtually every single nook and cranny that describes elaborate relationships with very advanced beings.
Science is making great progress. They have still not solved even the most basic problem of how life starts from "lifeless matter" yet countless billions have been spent trying to replicate and prove this process. Moving from chemical reactions to life that wants to survive, replicates, thinks, seeks out resources, evolves, etc is one HUGE leap and we can't prove it's even possible, yet you've got it all figured out how humans made a leap that we can't find anywhere else in nature … LMAO.
There are many mysteries we are truly clueless about. I suspect the real history of modern man is one of them.
So every time you perceive a "mystery" in nature, the first route you take is "intervention", that makes no sense.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: qman]
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"intervention to accelerate the development of the human species"
No, it's called nature.
I find it absolutely laughable when people have such intense certainty that they are 100% certain how humans came to be and how our development occurred. We are barely out of the crib in terms of our understanding of our earth, let alone our universe and the incredible mysteries of DNA. There is a lot of evidence that is very credible that something has happened to mankind in the last 50,000 years that accelerated our development in a way that has no precedent at all in nature. There are structures that have been built by primitive man that simply defy any logical description at all of how it was done. There are myths on this planet from virtually every single nook and cranny that describes elaborate relationships with very advanced beings.
Science is making great progress. They have still not solved even the most basic problem of how life starts from "lifeless matter" yet countless billions have been spent trying to replicate and prove this process. Moving from chemical reactions to life that wants to survive, replicates, thinks, seeks out resources, evolves, etc is one HUGE leap and we can't prove it's even possible, yet you've got it all figured out how humans made a leap that we can't find anywhere else in nature … LMAO.
There are many mysteries we are truly clueless about. I suspect the real history of modern man is one of them.
So every time you perceive a "mystery" in nature, the first route you take is "intervention", that makes no sense.
Not at all. When I see a mystery as big as this one, I try to keep an open mind and consider all possible or probable causes before settling in on an unproven theory. I am open to the idea that science will replicate the process of generating life from lifeless matter and will cheer them on when they do it. I am also quite aware that there is a mountain of evidence that has been collected that very advanced species are interacting with our planet along with a stunning lack of interest from our government. When virtually every ancient society has stated that they had interactions with very advanced beings and there is plenty of evidence today over the last 70 years that something quite odd is going on in terms of advanced beings being present on our planet, I keep an open mind.
The theory that it all comes from chemical reactions is one alternative. It has yet to be proven. You believe in it. More power to ya.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: qman]
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"There's a lot more to the story"
We are all very aware of that, no ome thinks we have the story 100% comolete,what is the actual point you are trying to convey? That maybe it was god?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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There is nothing that points at intervention at this time. It could have happened, but why would you believe that?
Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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SirShroomsAlott said: "There's a lot more to the story"
We are all very aware of that, no ome thinks we have the story 100% comolete,what is the actual point you are trying to convey? That maybe it was god?
"God" is more likely an advanced species that has taken an interest in our planet than some kind of universal super santa that created the entire universe or multi-verse.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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"God" is more likely an advanced species that has taken an interest in our planet than some kind of universal super santa that created the entire universe or multi-verse.
Very cool, but why do you think that?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: There is nothing that points at intervention at this time. It could have happened, but why would you believe that?
Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
The assumption that matter creates consciousness might be erroneous. Perhaps consciousness doesn't need matter at all and the "mind" of the universe or multiverse has always existed and creates different forms (matter) through explosions, instantaneous creation, multiple dimensions, etc.
There is no evidence at all that lifeless matter can evolve into consciousness yet there is a lot of evidence that consciousness can create the most remarkable things. There is a lot of evidence that consciousness survives death and, in fact, if this is true, then virtually anything is possible.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I'd hope conciousness doesn't survive death, or atleast not my sense of self, being aware sucks donkey balls.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Turtletotem said: There is nothing that points at intervention at this time. It could have happened, but why would you believe that?
Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
The assumption that matter creates consciousness might be erroneous. Perhaps consciousness doesn't need matter at all and the "mind" of the universe or multiverse has always existed and creates different forms (matter) through explosions, instantaneous creation, multiple dimensions, etc.
There is no evidence at all that lifeless matter can evolve into consciousness yet there is a lot of evidence that consciousness can create the most remarkable things. There is a lot of evidence that consciousness survives death and, in fact, if this is true, then virtually anything is possible.
Could be, could be. I am still of the opinion that all life evolves naturally, and that civilization is one of many ways for an organism to be alive. But yeah, there is a lot more going on than what a reductionist would have us believe.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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SirShroomsAlott said: I'd hope conciousness doesn't survive death, or atleast not my sense of self, being aware sucks donkey balls.
That comment sounds to me like you are a fairly unhappy person. With so many great things to do with our time and so many possibilities, why is it you feel being aware sucks?
Yesterday I had a fantastic mountain bike ride, floated down a river with some friends and had a beer with great friends at a fantastic brewery. Being aware is what it's all about!
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
so you're saying it's not just possible that extra terrestrials were at the first thanksgiving but probable
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
so you're saying it's not just possible that extra terrestrials were at the first thanksgiving but probable

I thought that it was proven beyond a doubt that there where at least 4 different races of extra terrestrial beings at the first thanksgiving: Grey's, ET's, Reptillians, Hynerians and Romulans have all come forward that their people had send delegates on that historic day.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Could be, could be. I am still of the opinion that all life evolves naturally, and that civilization is one of many ways for an organism to be alive. But yeah, there is a lot more going on than what a reductionist would have us believe.
What is "natural" and what is "unnatural?"
Were/are we the first advanced species to emerge or come to this planet? Is exploration of the universe by advanced species "natural?" Is gene and DNA manipulation that we are now experimenting with "natural?" How about cloning?
We are intervening every single day with the "natural" evolution of species on our planet. We are PROVING every day that intervention is quite possible with "natural" processes. Why is it illogical to think that a more advanced species intervened in some way on our planet that we have yet to understand or disclose?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Could be, could be. I am still of the opinion that all life evolves naturally, and that civilization is one of many ways for an organism to be alive. But yeah, there is a lot more going on than what a reductionist would have us believe.
What is "natural" and what is "unnatural?"
Were/are we the first advanced species to emerge or come to this planet? Is exploration of the universe by advanced species "natural?" Is gene and DNA manipulation that we are now experimenting with "natural?" How about cloning?
We are intervening every single day with the "natural" evolution of species on our planet. We are PROVING every day that intervention is quite possible with "natural" processes. Why is it illogical to think that a more advanced species intervened in some way on our planet that we have yet to understand or disclose?
Everything in the universe is natural, but in the context of what I said I ment that our evolution was done without outside help.
An advanced species could have intervened, but I'd say it is illogical to think so, because there is no reason to believe that. But I dislike the word illogical a lot, because that makes it seem like the other person is a moron, and that is not true at all.
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Everything in the universe is natural, but in the context of what I said I ment that our evolution was done without outside help.
An advanced species could have intervened, but I'd say it is illogical to think so, because there is no reason to believe that. But I dislike the word illogical a lot, because that makes it seem like the other person is a moron, and that is not true at all.
Do you have any ideas or suggestions as to why virtually every creation myth that every culture of mankind on this planet has put forth involves complex interactions with extremely advanced beings. Why would every single sector of mankind, existing thousands of miles away from one another all have essentially the same basic historic belief that advanced beings interacted with us extensively? WHY??? The detail in this historic record is astonishing. The ancient sanskrit texts of India are incredibly specific about this.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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SirShroomsAlott said: I'd hope conciousness doesn't survive death, or atleast not my sense of self, being aware sucks donkey balls.
That comment sounds to me like you are a fairly unhappy person. With so many great things to do with our time and so many possibilities, why is it you feel being aware sucks?
Yesterday I had a fantastic mountain bike ride, floated down a river with some friends and had a beer with great friends at a fantastic brewery. Being aware is what it's all about!
Because the downsides of life are impossible to get out of my head, and the potential for the way it could of been and still can be but never will. Why do I get to ride a bike and enjoy my day while others are spending their day just hoping to get something to eat in this world full of food, while I live in happiness solely because im ignorant and selfish to the way life truly is.
Not even 1% of the reason I'm so negative, and my mind has been stuck like this since as long as I've had memories. More vacant housing then homeless people, more money spent on weapons defense then education, more money spent trying to kill people in order to save people instead of just spending the money to save people here and overseas, 11 billion people could be fed with our current food production with 7 billion people on the planet and a billion still struggling for food, the fact I'm weari ng clothes and using technology made by children professionally in almost slave conditions, it really is endless and something I can't escape.
I've embraced and accepted that I'll live unhappy a long time ago for reasons out of my control, but still rather it all just end with death, luckily I've never seen a reason to believe life exist after death so I can still have hope.
Spending time with friends is nothing more than a temporary escape, because every moment of silence, my mind wanders endlessly.
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Everything in the universe is natural, but in the context of what I said I ment that our evolution was done without outside help.
An advanced species could have intervened, but I'd say it is illogical to think so, because there is no reason to believe that. But I dislike the word illogical a lot, because that makes it seem like the other person is a moron, and that is not true at all.
Do you have any ideas or suggestions as to why virtually every creation myth that every culture of mankind on this planet has put forth involves complex interactions with extremely advanced beings. Why would every single sector of mankind, existing thousands of miles away from one another all have essentially the same basic historic belief that advanced beings interacted with us extensively? WHY??? The detail in this historic record is astonishing. The ancient sanskrit texts of India are incredibly specific about this.
Drugs? I've seen supernatural beings on mushrooms, and who knows what kind of crazy drugs our ancestors partied on.
I'm not saying it is drugs of course, don't get me wrong. But I like to start small with my speculations.
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Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
so you're saying it's not just possible that extra terrestrials were at the first thanksgiving but probable

I thought that it was proven beyond a doubt that there where at least 4 different races of extra terrestrial beings at the first thanksgiving: Grey's, ET's, Reptillians, Hynerians and Romulans have all come forward that their people had send delegates on that historic day.
hynerians and romulans arent real
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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That comment sounds to me like you are a fairly unhappy person. With so many great things to do with our time and so many possibilities, why is it you feel being aware sucks?
Yesterday I had a fantastic mountain bike ride, floated down a river with some friends and had a beer with great friends at a fantastic brewery. Being aware is what it's all about!
Because the downsides of life are impossible to get out of my head, and the potential for the way it could of been and still can be but never will. Why do I get to ride a bike and enjoy my day while others are spending their day just hoping to get something to eat in this world full of food, while I live in happiness solely because im ignorant and selfish to the way life truly is.
Not even 1% of the reason I'm so negative, and my mind has been stuck like this since as long as I've had memories. More vacant housing then homeless people, more money spent on weapons defense then education, more money spent trying to kill people in order to save people instead of just spending the money to save people here and overseas, 11 billion people could be fed with our current food production with 7 billion people on the planet and a billion still struggling for food, the fact I'm weari ng clothes and using technology made by children professionally in almost slave conditions, it really is endless and something I can't escape.
I've embraced and accepted that I'll live unhappy a long time ago for reasons out of my control, but still rather it all just end with death, luckily I've never seen a reason to believe life exist after death so I can still have hope.
Spending time with friends is nothing more than a temporary escape, because every moment of silence, my mind wanders endlessly.
Thanks for such an honest post. I find I'm happiest when I focus on things I can control and impact. I can't impact much global spending on defense and war and poverty in Africa, but I can certainly impact some projects here in my local home town that do impact the lives of kids and people in poverty. I can donate time to projects I believe in that impact my local community. I can eat healthy food, get great exercise, spend time with people that are positive and healthy, read stuff that helps me grow, mediate to reduce my distraction, play my guitars, play with my dogs, do fun stuff with my kids, run a good business, travel and see the world and try to learn.
Can I fix the planet? Maybe not. Can I make my world and the people I come in contact with a little better than I found it? I think so. Is it a crime to enjoy this magical planet and all the incredible beings that are in it?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Everything in the universe is natural, but in the context of what I said I ment that our evolution was done without outside help.
An advanced species could have intervened, but I'd say it is illogical to think so, because there is no reason to believe that. But I dislike the word illogical a lot, because that makes it seem like the other person is a moron, and that is not true at all.
Do you have any ideas or suggestions as to why virtually every creation myth that every culture of mankind on this planet has put forth involves complex interactions with extremely advanced beings. Why would every single sector of mankind, existing thousands of miles away from one another all have essentially the same basic historic belief that advanced beings interacted with us extensively? WHY??? The detail in this historic record is astonishing. The ancient sanskrit texts of India are incredibly specific about this.
Drugs? I've seen supernatural beings on mushrooms, and who knows what kind of crazy drugs our ancestors partied on.
I'm not saying it is drugs of course, don't get me wrong. But I like to start small with my speculations.
Probably explains some of it, I'd agree.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Not at all, in fact I envy people who do, but for some reason I'm just incapable of it myself.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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The older I get, the more I'm convinced that thinking and focusing on local community and really contributing to it is a major piece of the happiness and well being puzzle. The more I get caught up in stuff and frustrating situations (wars, global debt, politics, violence, etc.) and get all wound up about it, the more unhappy I become. I try to stay informed to vote effectively, but think the political system at the national level is rigged so I don't really make a difference. Locally, though, politics makes a HUGE difference and I can impact that.
Spending time with animals has such an incredibly positive impact too. Exercise and just having fun in nature is super important and all friends are not created equal. Some are destructive and some are incredibly constructive. Just eating healthy, cutting chemical intake and getting fun exercise in has an enormous impact.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
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I just know that no one knows
U wanna know,but who knows
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: Cut them a fucking break, as long as they are not harming anybody, what's it to you?
That is rarely the case. Either physically, mentally or even spiritually - they cause enormous harm. Believers are not benign, they are toxic.
Really? Do you live in Syria or one of those southern US towns that has like, a church for every 5 people? Because my experience has been very different from yours.
In my experience, people with faith are people... with faith.
I don't have to live in the Middle East to be affected by what happens there, or anywhere else where religion has caused human suffering. You live in Europe. Your continent is being flooded with people desperately escaping their homelands that are being ravaged with religious violence and oppression.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
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No. We do know. Evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only people who reject its validity are those who don't like what it implies about their religious beliefs.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: koods]
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An interesting theory on the missing link. Lets keep this thread going though, im enjoying the banter. When I am able to articulate my thoughts i will contribute.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott] 1
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SirShroomsAlott said: There are many things that negate the existence of the Hebrew god, I just don't understand why they only attach themselves to the evolution part of it.
In the same sense that I don't get why the sin of being gay (in their minds) is placed above all the other sins that are accepted by society.
It is because they are told (By whom, by the way?*) that these issues are what matters the most to Christians, and being religious types, they don't tend to question it.
*Come to think of it, who exactly is spreading this misinformation? Who stands to gain from this? My bet is things like "Christian" "Science" institutions, anti-gay programs and nutjob millionairs, but who knows?
To find out who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire.
Caitlin Jenner?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: koods]
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No. We do know. Evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only people who reject its validity are those who don't like what it implies about their religious beliefs.
That statement shows a complete lack of knowledge as to what science is. Nothing in science is ever "proven true". Hypotheses, theories, and even laws of science are never proven. You can only prove things to be wrong. In fact, the primary scientific motive is to prove any idea to be wrong.
Hypotheses become theories. Theories become laws. Evolution is a theory and will probably never become a law because it is impossible to test to such a standard.
Theoretical science is all about models. Models exist until they fail. Then they are replaced by other models. That's it. That's all there is.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: koods] 1
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No. We do know. Evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only people who reject its validity are those who don't like what it implies about their religious beliefs.
What we know is that there is a big element of evolving and adapting, mutating species going on on Planet earth. We do not know, nor has it been proven despite billions being spent on it, that life can some how spring from lifeless matter. There is zero proof that cells just came to life via some perfect "sauce" of chemicals and conditions.
It is just as likely that incredibly durable spores hitchhiked across the universe on an ice comet or asteroid of some sort that came into contact with planet earth and got the party started.
There is also one heckuva gap between the human species and everything else. Any way you slice it this is a very strange quirk in our system and the theories I've heard to explain this gap appear insufficient to me similar to religious scripture that tells us that humans have been around for < 20,000 years. Science seems desperate to come up with a plausible explanation for why humans are flying to the moon and no other species are even close to us.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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No. We do know. Evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only people who reject its validity are those who don't like what it implies about their religious beliefs.
That statement shows a complete lack of knowledge as to what science is. Nothing in science is ever "proven true". Hypotheses, theories, and even laws of science are never proven. You can only prove things to be wrong. In fact, the primary scientific motive is to prove any idea to be wrong.
Hypotheses become theories. Theories become laws. Evolution is a theory and will probably never become a law because it is impossible to test to such a standard.
Theoretical science is all about models. Models exist until they fail. Then they are replaced by other models. That's it. That's all there is.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
You think things progress from hypothesis to theory to law? Then you clearly don't know what a scientific theory is.
Evolution will always be a theory. Just like germ theory of disease or atomic theory. You think we still need to prove that germs and atoms exist so that it becomes germ law of disease and atomic law? Please, just stop.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Confucian]
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We have techniques that make it possible for us to observe the process of evolution on the level of individual amino acids within a strand of DNA. We can physically observe and document the process of evolution as it happens within your own cells.
If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: healing]
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If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
I believe in evolution. I have no doubt whatsoever that species are evolving. I am, however, open minded that there are a number of possible interventions that could happen that might enable a species like humans, that are so different from all other species on our planet, to emerge as a species. I would be much more comfortable with the theory that humans evolved naturally from apes if there was even one species building things or writing or building civilizations.
To completely disregard the possibility that a very advanced species is somehow impacting the DNA of humans over the last million or so years, despite the fact that virtually every creation myth on the planet, including the stories in the bible, are very clear that this has been going on a long, long time.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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That statement shows a complete lack of knowledge as to what science is. Nothing in science is ever "proven true". Hypotheses, theories, and even laws of science are never proven. You can only prove things to be wrong. In fact, the primary scientific motive is to prove any idea to be wrong.
Hypotheses become theories. Theories become laws. Evolution is a theory and will probably never become a law because it is impossible to test to such a standard.
Theoretical science is all about models. Models exist until they fail. Then they are replaced by other models. That's it. That's all there is.
  By your estimation nothing is true. Do you happen to be a member of The Flat Earth Society?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
I believe in evolution. I have no doubt whatsoever that species are evolving. I am, however, open minded that there are a number of possible interventions that could happen that might enable a species like humans, that are so different from all other species on our planet, to emerge as a species. I would be much more comfortable with the theory that humans evolved naturally from apes if there was even one species building things or writing or building civilizations.
To completely disregard the possibility that a very advanced species is somehow impacting the DNA of humans over the last million or so years, despite the fact that virtually every creation myth on the planet, including the stories in the bible, are very clear that this has been going on a long, long time.
You could also just study science and not read the bible, since it really doesn't have anything to do with science. You don't see scientists writing bibles, do you? Does Microsoft have a stash of bibles in their research and development departments, just in case they need to reference something?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: healing]
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If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
I believe in evolution. I have no doubt whatsoever that species are evolving. I am, however, open minded that there are a number of possible interventions that could happen that might enable a species like humans, that are so different from all other species on our planet, to emerge as a species. I would be much more comfortable with the theory that humans evolved naturally from apes if there was even one species building things or writing or building civilizations.
To completely disregard the possibility that a very advanced species is somehow impacting the DNA of humans over the last million or so years, despite the fact that virtually every creation myth on the planet, including the stories in the bible, are very clear that this has been going on a long, long time.
You could also just study science and not read the bible, since it really doesn't have anything to do with science. You don't see scientists writing bibles, do you? Does Microsoft have a stash of bibles in their research and development departments, just in case they need to reference something?
If you think I'm advocating the bible for anything other than entertainment, you are misinterpreting my statement. I'm on the side that says science is proving that microbial life is quite capable of traveling billions of miles through the universe, can randomly hitting a planet that is suitable for "life" and when conditions are right, will spring to life.
I'm also stating that I find it just as plausible to theorize that some extremely advanced beings exist in our universe that are quite capable of manipulating genetics and may very well be doing that on thousands, if not millions of planets in the universe. Earth may be one of them. How that idea is more crazy or outlandish than the notion that life just somehow springs from lifeless matter through chemical reactions is a mystery to me.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
I believe in evolution. I have no doubt whatsoever that species are evolving. I am, however, open minded that there are a number of possible interventions that could happen that might enable a species like humans, that are so different from all other species on our planet, to emerge as a species. I would be much more comfortable with the theory that humans evolved naturally from apes if there was even one species building things or writing or building civilizations.
To completely disregard the possibility that a very advanced species is somehow impacting the DNA of humans over the last million or so years, despite the fact that virtually every creation myth on the planet, including the stories in the bible, are very clear that this has been going on a long, long time.
Remember how you brought up the bible?
Also there is plenty of evidence that other similar species of ape formed communities, some of which were directly wiped out by humans.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Confucian]
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No. We do know. Evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only people who reject its validity are those who don't like what it implies about their religious beliefs.
That statement shows a complete lack of knowledge as to what science is. Nothing in science is ever "proven true". Hypotheses, theories, and even laws of science are never proven. You can only prove things to be wrong. In fact, the primary scientific motive is to prove any idea to be wrong.
Hypotheses become theories. Theories become laws. Evolution is a theory and will probably never become a law because it is impossible to test to such a standard.
Theoretical science is all about models. Models exist until they fail. Then they are replaced by other models. That's it. That's all there is.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
You think things progress from hypothesis to theory to law? Then you clearly don't know what a scientific theory is.
Evolution will always be a theory. Just like germ theory of disease or atomic theory. You think we still need to prove that germs and atoms exist so that it becomes germ law of disease and atomic law? Please, just stop.
you pretty much just repeated what Senior Doobie had said only in a less intelligible manner and you claim he has no idea what he's talking about
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: healing]
#21983812 - 07/23/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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healing said: We have techniques that make it possible for us to observe the process of evolution on the level of individual amino acids within a strand of DNA. We can physically observe and document the process of evolution as it happens within your own cells.
If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
I believe in evolution. I have no doubt whatsoever that species are evolving. I am, however, open minded that there are a number of possible interventions that could happen that might enable a species like humans, that are so different from all other species on our planet, to emerge as a species. I would be much more comfortable with the theory that humans evolved naturally from apes if there was even one species building things or writing or building civilizations.
To completely disregard the possibility that a very advanced species is somehow impacting the DNA of humans over the last million or so years, despite the fact that virtually every creation myth on the planet, including the stories in the bible, are very clear that this has been going on a long, long time.
Remember how you brought up the bible?
Also there is plenty of evidence that other similar species of ape formed communities, some of which were directly wiped out by humans.
My reference to the bible was simply that it has the exact same myths and creation stories that we see and hear in virtually every culture around the globe. That, at some point, a very advanced group of beings were interacting with humans on many levels and had a direct role in affecting our creation and evolution. That these beings came to earth in vehicles of some sort and, in many cases, held a leadership position on our planet.
Institutional, government funded Science doesn't really take this seriously despite the fact that there is evidence everywhere that something very odd has been going on on this planet for thousands of years.
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
Edited by KauaiOrca (07/23/15 09:41 AM)
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: healing]
#21983816 - 07/23/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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healing said: Have you ever seen a fractal?
Yes.
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23816133 - 11/09/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What are fractals? Mammals? Or still a fractral
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
#23816534 - 11/09/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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nobody has a dumbass opinion after ?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
#23818060 - 11/10/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well if you watched the vids Just know ur not alone
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
#23818093 - 11/10/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea well Sh Sh Babies
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
#23818122 - 11/10/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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we share 90% of our DNA with a tree and even more than that with a pig
wtf is OP thinking about has he ever taken bio lol
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Konyap]
#23818465 - 11/10/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Op is thinking outside the box
It blows my mind that ppl can't accept there is a God, I call that closed minded.
Edited by Moonlightblue (11/10/16 06:41 AM)
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