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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
#21982921 - 07/23/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just know that no one knows
U wanna know,but who knows
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: Cut them a fucking break, as long as they are not harming anybody, what's it to you?
That is rarely the case. Either physically, mentally or even spiritually - they cause enormous harm. Believers are not benign, they are toxic.
Really? Do you live in Syria or one of those southern US towns that has like, a church for every 5 people? Because my experience has been very different from yours.
In my experience, people with faith are people... with faith.
I don't have to live in the Middle East to be affected by what happens there, or anywhere else where religion has caused human suffering. You live in Europe. Your continent is being flooded with people desperately escaping their homelands that are being ravaged with religious violence and oppression.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
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No. We do know. Evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only people who reject its validity are those who don't like what it implies about their religious beliefs.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: koods]
#21983127 - 07/23/15 04:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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An interesting theory on the missing link. Lets keep this thread going though, im enjoying the banter. When I am able to articulate my thoughts i will contribute.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott] 1
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SirShroomsAlott said: There are many things that negate the existence of the Hebrew god, I just don't understand why they only attach themselves to the evolution part of it.
In the same sense that I don't get why the sin of being gay (in their minds) is placed above all the other sins that are accepted by society.
It is because they are told (By whom, by the way?*) that these issues are what matters the most to Christians, and being religious types, they don't tend to question it.
*Come to think of it, who exactly is spreading this misinformation? Who stands to gain from this? My bet is things like "Christian" "Science" institutions, anti-gay programs and nutjob millionairs, but who knows?
To find out who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire.
Caitlin Jenner?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: koods]
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No. We do know. Evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only people who reject its validity are those who don't like what it implies about their religious beliefs.
That statement shows a complete lack of knowledge as to what science is. Nothing in science is ever "proven true". Hypotheses, theories, and even laws of science are never proven. You can only prove things to be wrong. In fact, the primary scientific motive is to prove any idea to be wrong.
Hypotheses become theories. Theories become laws. Evolution is a theory and will probably never become a law because it is impossible to test to such a standard.
Theoretical science is all about models. Models exist until they fail. Then they are replaced by other models. That's it. That's all there is.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: koods] 1
#21983314 - 07/23/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No. We do know. Evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only people who reject its validity are those who don't like what it implies about their religious beliefs.
What we know is that there is a big element of evolving and adapting, mutating species going on on Planet earth. We do not know, nor has it been proven despite billions being spent on it, that life can some how spring from lifeless matter. There is zero proof that cells just came to life via some perfect "sauce" of chemicals and conditions.
It is just as likely that incredibly durable spores hitchhiked across the universe on an ice comet or asteroid of some sort that came into contact with planet earth and got the party started.
There is also one heckuva gap between the human species and everything else. Any way you slice it this is a very strange quirk in our system and the theories I've heard to explain this gap appear insufficient to me similar to religious scripture that tells us that humans have been around for < 20,000 years. Science seems desperate to come up with a plausible explanation for why humans are flying to the moon and no other species are even close to us.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#21983333 - 07/23/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No. We do know. Evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only people who reject its validity are those who don't like what it implies about their religious beliefs.
That statement shows a complete lack of knowledge as to what science is. Nothing in science is ever "proven true". Hypotheses, theories, and even laws of science are never proven. You can only prove things to be wrong. In fact, the primary scientific motive is to prove any idea to be wrong.
Hypotheses become theories. Theories become laws. Evolution is a theory and will probably never become a law because it is impossible to test to such a standard.
Theoretical science is all about models. Models exist until they fail. Then they are replaced by other models. That's it. That's all there is.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
You think things progress from hypothesis to theory to law? Then you clearly don't know what a scientific theory is.
Evolution will always be a theory. Just like germ theory of disease or atomic theory. You think we still need to prove that germs and atoms exist so that it becomes germ law of disease and atomic law? Please, just stop.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Confucian]
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We have techniques that make it possible for us to observe the process of evolution on the level of individual amino acids within a strand of DNA. We can physically observe and document the process of evolution as it happens within your own cells.
If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: healing]
#21983507 - 07/23/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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healing said: We have techniques that make it possible for us to observe the process of evolution on the level of individual amino acids within a strand of DNA. We can physically observe and document the process of evolution as it happens within your own cells.
If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
I believe in evolution. I have no doubt whatsoever that species are evolving. I am, however, open minded that there are a number of possible interventions that could happen that might enable a species like humans, that are so different from all other species on our planet, to emerge as a species. I would be much more comfortable with the theory that humans evolved naturally from apes if there was even one species building things or writing or building civilizations.
To completely disregard the possibility that a very advanced species is somehow impacting the DNA of humans over the last million or so years, despite the fact that virtually every creation myth on the planet, including the stories in the bible, are very clear that this has been going on a long, long time.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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That statement shows a complete lack of knowledge as to what science is. Nothing in science is ever "proven true". Hypotheses, theories, and even laws of science are never proven. You can only prove things to be wrong. In fact, the primary scientific motive is to prove any idea to be wrong.
Hypotheses become theories. Theories become laws. Evolution is a theory and will probably never become a law because it is impossible to test to such a standard.
Theoretical science is all about models. Models exist until they fail. Then they are replaced by other models. That's it. That's all there is.
  By your estimation nothing is true. Do you happen to be a member of The Flat Earth Society?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21983537 - 07/23/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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healing said: We have techniques that make it possible for us to observe the process of evolution on the level of individual amino acids within a strand of DNA. We can physically observe and document the process of evolution as it happens within your own cells.
If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
I believe in evolution. I have no doubt whatsoever that species are evolving. I am, however, open minded that there are a number of possible interventions that could happen that might enable a species like humans, that are so different from all other species on our planet, to emerge as a species. I would be much more comfortable with the theory that humans evolved naturally from apes if there was even one species building things or writing or building civilizations.
To completely disregard the possibility that a very advanced species is somehow impacting the DNA of humans over the last million or so years, despite the fact that virtually every creation myth on the planet, including the stories in the bible, are very clear that this has been going on a long, long time.
You could also just study science and not read the bible, since it really doesn't have anything to do with science. You don't see scientists writing bibles, do you? Does Microsoft have a stash of bibles in their research and development departments, just in case they need to reference something?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: healing]
#21983765 - 07/23/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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healing said: We have techniques that make it possible for us to observe the process of evolution on the level of individual amino acids within a strand of DNA. We can physically observe and document the process of evolution as it happens within your own cells.
If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
I believe in evolution. I have no doubt whatsoever that species are evolving. I am, however, open minded that there are a number of possible interventions that could happen that might enable a species like humans, that are so different from all other species on our planet, to emerge as a species. I would be much more comfortable with the theory that humans evolved naturally from apes if there was even one species building things or writing or building civilizations.
To completely disregard the possibility that a very advanced species is somehow impacting the DNA of humans over the last million or so years, despite the fact that virtually every creation myth on the planet, including the stories in the bible, are very clear that this has been going on a long, long time.
You could also just study science and not read the bible, since it really doesn't have anything to do with science. You don't see scientists writing bibles, do you? Does Microsoft have a stash of bibles in their research and development departments, just in case they need to reference something?
If you think I'm advocating the bible for anything other than entertainment, you are misinterpreting my statement. I'm on the side that says science is proving that microbial life is quite capable of traveling billions of miles through the universe, can randomly hitting a planet that is suitable for "life" and when conditions are right, will spring to life.
I'm also stating that I find it just as plausible to theorize that some extremely advanced beings exist in our universe that are quite capable of manipulating genetics and may very well be doing that on thousands, if not millions of planets in the universe. Earth may be one of them. How that idea is more crazy or outlandish than the notion that life just somehow springs from lifeless matter through chemical reactions is a mystery to me.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Have you ever seen a fractal?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21983788 - 07/23/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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healing said: We have techniques that make it possible for us to observe the process of evolution on the level of individual amino acids within a strand of DNA. We can physically observe and document the process of evolution as it happens within your own cells.
If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
I believe in evolution. I have no doubt whatsoever that species are evolving. I am, however, open minded that there are a number of possible interventions that could happen that might enable a species like humans, that are so different from all other species on our planet, to emerge as a species. I would be much more comfortable with the theory that humans evolved naturally from apes if there was even one species building things or writing or building civilizations.
To completely disregard the possibility that a very advanced species is somehow impacting the DNA of humans over the last million or so years, despite the fact that virtually every creation myth on the planet, including the stories in the bible, are very clear that this has been going on a long, long time.
Remember how you brought up the bible?
Also there is plenty of evidence that other similar species of ape formed communities, some of which were directly wiped out by humans.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Confucian]
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Moonlightblue said: I just know that no one knows
U wanna know,but who knows
Ect ect ect ect ect ect ect ect ect
No. We do know. Evolution has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. The only people who reject its validity are those who don't like what it implies about their religious beliefs.
That statement shows a complete lack of knowledge as to what science is. Nothing in science is ever "proven true". Hypotheses, theories, and even laws of science are never proven. You can only prove things to be wrong. In fact, the primary scientific motive is to prove any idea to be wrong.
Hypotheses become theories. Theories become laws. Evolution is a theory and will probably never become a law because it is impossible to test to such a standard.
Theoretical science is all about models. Models exist until they fail. Then they are replaced by other models. That's it. That's all there is.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
You think things progress from hypothesis to theory to law? Then you clearly don't know what a scientific theory is.
Evolution will always be a theory. Just like germ theory of disease or atomic theory. You think we still need to prove that germs and atoms exist so that it becomes germ law of disease and atomic law? Please, just stop.
you pretty much just repeated what Senior Doobie had said only in a less intelligible manner and you claim he has no idea what he's talking about
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: healing]
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healing said: We have techniques that make it possible for us to observe the process of evolution on the level of individual amino acids within a strand of DNA. We can physically observe and document the process of evolution as it happens within your own cells.
If you don't get that, then you could try committing murder, they can use your DNA to identify you, and your mother, and your mother's mother, and your mother's mother's mother, if they had viable samples.
Then there are diseases. If you don't believe in evolution, you should try medical care. Ask your doctor how your bacterial infection will respond to the antibiotics to which it has evolved a resistance. I mean, if you don't want to lose a limb, or die.
I believe in evolution. I have no doubt whatsoever that species are evolving. I am, however, open minded that there are a number of possible interventions that could happen that might enable a species like humans, that are so different from all other species on our planet, to emerge as a species. I would be much more comfortable with the theory that humans evolved naturally from apes if there was even one species building things or writing or building civilizations.
To completely disregard the possibility that a very advanced species is somehow impacting the DNA of humans over the last million or so years, despite the fact that virtually every creation myth on the planet, including the stories in the bible, are very clear that this has been going on a long, long time.
Remember how you brought up the bible?
Also there is plenty of evidence that other similar species of ape formed communities, some of which were directly wiped out by humans.
My reference to the bible was simply that it has the exact same myths and creation stories that we see and hear in virtually every culture around the globe. That, at some point, a very advanced group of beings were interacting with humans on many levels and had a direct role in affecting our creation and evolution. That these beings came to earth in vehicles of some sort and, in many cases, held a leadership position on our planet.
Institutional, government funded Science doesn't really take this seriously despite the fact that there is evidence everywhere that something very odd has been going on on this planet for thousands of years.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: healing]
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Yes.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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What are fractals? Mammals? Or still a fractral
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