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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: qman]
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"There's a lot more to the story"
We are all very aware of that, no ome thinks we have the story 100% comolete,what is the actual point you are trying to convey? That maybe it was god?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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There is nothing that points at intervention at this time. It could have happened, but why would you believe that?
Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21923780 - 07/10/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: "There's a lot more to the story"
We are all very aware of that, no ome thinks we have the story 100% comolete,what is the actual point you are trying to convey? That maybe it was god?
"God" is more likely an advanced species that has taken an interest in our planet than some kind of universal super santa that created the entire universe or multi-verse.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21923785 - 07/10/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"God" is more likely an advanced species that has taken an interest in our planet than some kind of universal super santa that created the entire universe or multi-verse.
Very cool, but why do you think that?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: There is nothing that points at intervention at this time. It could have happened, but why would you believe that?
Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
The assumption that matter creates consciousness might be erroneous. Perhaps consciousness doesn't need matter at all and the "mind" of the universe or multiverse has always existed and creates different forms (matter) through explosions, instantaneous creation, multiple dimensions, etc.
There is no evidence at all that lifeless matter can evolve into consciousness yet there is a lot of evidence that consciousness can create the most remarkable things. There is a lot of evidence that consciousness survives death and, in fact, if this is true, then virtually anything is possible.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21923789 - 07/10/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd hope conciousness doesn't survive death, or atleast not my sense of self, being aware sucks donkey balls.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Turtletotem said: There is nothing that points at intervention at this time. It could have happened, but why would you believe that?
Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
The assumption that matter creates consciousness might be erroneous. Perhaps consciousness doesn't need matter at all and the "mind" of the universe or multiverse has always existed and creates different forms (matter) through explosions, instantaneous creation, multiple dimensions, etc.
There is no evidence at all that lifeless matter can evolve into consciousness yet there is a lot of evidence that consciousness can create the most remarkable things. There is a lot of evidence that consciousness survives death and, in fact, if this is true, then virtually anything is possible.
Could be, could be. I am still of the opinion that all life evolves naturally, and that civilization is one of many ways for an organism to be alive. But yeah, there is a lot more going on than what a reductionist would have us believe.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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SirShroomsAlott said: I'd hope conciousness doesn't survive death, or atleast not my sense of self, being aware sucks donkey balls.
That comment sounds to me like you are a fairly unhappy person. With so many great things to do with our time and so many possibilities, why is it you feel being aware sucks?
Yesterday I had a fantastic mountain bike ride, floated down a river with some friends and had a beer with great friends at a fantastic brewery. Being aware is what it's all about!
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
so you're saying it's not just possible that extra terrestrials were at the first thanksgiving but probable
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
so you're saying it's not just possible that extra terrestrials were at the first thanksgiving but probable

I thought that it was proven beyond a doubt that there where at least 4 different races of extra terrestrial beings at the first thanksgiving: Grey's, ET's, Reptillians, Hynerians and Romulans have all come forward that their people had send delegates on that historic day.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Could be, could be. I am still of the opinion that all life evolves naturally, and that civilization is one of many ways for an organism to be alive. But yeah, there is a lot more going on than what a reductionist would have us believe.
What is "natural" and what is "unnatural?"
Were/are we the first advanced species to emerge or come to this planet? Is exploration of the universe by advanced species "natural?" Is gene and DNA manipulation that we are now experimenting with "natural?" How about cloning?
We are intervening every single day with the "natural" evolution of species on our planet. We are PROVING every day that intervention is quite possible with "natural" processes. Why is it illogical to think that a more advanced species intervened in some way on our planet that we have yet to understand or disclose?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21923820 - 07/10/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Could be, could be. I am still of the opinion that all life evolves naturally, and that civilization is one of many ways for an organism to be alive. But yeah, there is a lot more going on than what a reductionist would have us believe.
What is "natural" and what is "unnatural?"
Were/are we the first advanced species to emerge or come to this planet? Is exploration of the universe by advanced species "natural?" Is gene and DNA manipulation that we are now experimenting with "natural?" How about cloning?
We are intervening every single day with the "natural" evolution of species on our planet. We are PROVING every day that intervention is quite possible with "natural" processes. Why is it illogical to think that a more advanced species intervened in some way on our planet that we have yet to understand or disclose?
Everything in the universe is natural, but in the context of what I said I ment that our evolution was done without outside help.
An advanced species could have intervened, but I'd say it is illogical to think so, because there is no reason to believe that. But I dislike the word illogical a lot, because that makes it seem like the other person is a moron, and that is not true at all.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
#21923840 - 07/10/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everything in the universe is natural, but in the context of what I said I ment that our evolution was done without outside help.
An advanced species could have intervened, but I'd say it is illogical to think so, because there is no reason to believe that. But I dislike the word illogical a lot, because that makes it seem like the other person is a moron, and that is not true at all.
Do you have any ideas or suggestions as to why virtually every creation myth that every culture of mankind on this planet has put forth involves complex interactions with extremely advanced beings. Why would every single sector of mankind, existing thousands of miles away from one another all have essentially the same basic historic belief that advanced beings interacted with us extensively? WHY??? The detail in this historic record is astonishing. The ancient sanskrit texts of India are incredibly specific about this.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21923852 - 07/10/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: I'd hope conciousness doesn't survive death, or atleast not my sense of self, being aware sucks donkey balls.
That comment sounds to me like you are a fairly unhappy person. With so many great things to do with our time and so many possibilities, why is it you feel being aware sucks?
Yesterday I had a fantastic mountain bike ride, floated down a river with some friends and had a beer with great friends at a fantastic brewery. Being aware is what it's all about!
Because the downsides of life are impossible to get out of my head, and the potential for the way it could of been and still can be but never will. Why do I get to ride a bike and enjoy my day while others are spending their day just hoping to get something to eat in this world full of food, while I live in happiness solely because im ignorant and selfish to the way life truly is.
Not even 1% of the reason I'm so negative, and my mind has been stuck like this since as long as I've had memories. More vacant housing then homeless people, more money spent on weapons defense then education, more money spent trying to kill people in order to save people instead of just spending the money to save people here and overseas, 11 billion people could be fed with our current food production with 7 billion people on the planet and a billion still struggling for food, the fact I'm weari ng clothes and using technology made by children professionally in almost slave conditions, it really is endless and something I can't escape.
I've embraced and accepted that I'll live unhappy a long time ago for reasons out of my control, but still rather it all just end with death, luckily I've never seen a reason to believe life exist after death so I can still have hope.
Spending time with friends is nothing more than a temporary escape, because every moment of silence, my mind wanders endlessly.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Everything in the universe is natural, but in the context of what I said I ment that our evolution was done without outside help.
An advanced species could have intervened, but I'd say it is illogical to think so, because there is no reason to believe that. But I dislike the word illogical a lot, because that makes it seem like the other person is a moron, and that is not true at all.
Do you have any ideas or suggestions as to why virtually every creation myth that every culture of mankind on this planet has put forth involves complex interactions with extremely advanced beings. Why would every single sector of mankind, existing thousands of miles away from one another all have essentially the same basic historic belief that advanced beings interacted with us extensively? WHY??? The detail in this historic record is astonishing. The ancient sanskrit texts of India are incredibly specific about this.
Drugs? I've seen supernatural beings on mushrooms, and who knows what kind of crazy drugs our ancestors partied on.
I'm not saying it is drugs of course, don't get me wrong. But I like to start small with my speculations.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Also, if god/aliens created us who created them etc. If they evolved naturally, why did we not? You know what I'm saying?
so you're saying it's not just possible that extra terrestrials were at the first thanksgiving but probable

I thought that it was proven beyond a doubt that there where at least 4 different races of extra terrestrial beings at the first thanksgiving: Grey's, ET's, Reptillians, Hynerians and Romulans have all come forward that their people had send delegates on that historic day.
hynerians and romulans arent real
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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SirShroomsAlott said: I'd hope conciousness doesn't survive death, or atleast not my sense of self, being aware sucks donkey balls.
That comment sounds to me like you are a fairly unhappy person. With so many great things to do with our time and so many possibilities, why is it you feel being aware sucks?
Yesterday I had a fantastic mountain bike ride, floated down a river with some friends and had a beer with great friends at a fantastic brewery. Being aware is what it's all about!
Because the downsides of life are impossible to get out of my head, and the potential for the way it could of been and still can be but never will. Why do I get to ride a bike and enjoy my day while others are spending their day just hoping to get something to eat in this world full of food, while I live in happiness solely because im ignorant and selfish to the way life truly is.
Not even 1% of the reason I'm so negative, and my mind has been stuck like this since as long as I've had memories. More vacant housing then homeless people, more money spent on weapons defense then education, more money spent trying to kill people in order to save people instead of just spending the money to save people here and overseas, 11 billion people could be fed with our current food production with 7 billion people on the planet and a billion still struggling for food, the fact I'm weari ng clothes and using technology made by children professionally in almost slave conditions, it really is endless and something I can't escape.
I've embraced and accepted that I'll live unhappy a long time ago for reasons out of my control, but still rather it all just end with death, luckily I've never seen a reason to believe life exist after death so I can still have hope.
Spending time with friends is nothing more than a temporary escape, because every moment of silence, my mind wanders endlessly.
Thanks for such an honest post. I find I'm happiest when I focus on things I can control and impact. I can't impact much global spending on defense and war and poverty in Africa, but I can certainly impact some projects here in my local home town that do impact the lives of kids and people in poverty. I can donate time to projects I believe in that impact my local community. I can eat healthy food, get great exercise, spend time with people that are positive and healthy, read stuff that helps me grow, mediate to reduce my distraction, play my guitars, play with my dogs, do fun stuff with my kids, run a good business, travel and see the world and try to learn.
Can I fix the planet? Maybe not. Can I make my world and the people I come in contact with a little better than I found it? I think so. Is it a crime to enjoy this magical planet and all the incredible beings that are in it?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
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Everything in the universe is natural, but in the context of what I said I ment that our evolution was done without outside help.
An advanced species could have intervened, but I'd say it is illogical to think so, because there is no reason to believe that. But I dislike the word illogical a lot, because that makes it seem like the other person is a moron, and that is not true at all.
Do you have any ideas or suggestions as to why virtually every creation myth that every culture of mankind on this planet has put forth involves complex interactions with extremely advanced beings. Why would every single sector of mankind, existing thousands of miles away from one another all have essentially the same basic historic belief that advanced beings interacted with us extensively? WHY??? The detail in this historic record is astonishing. The ancient sanskrit texts of India are incredibly specific about this.
Drugs? I've seen supernatural beings on mushrooms, and who knows what kind of crazy drugs our ancestors partied on.
I'm not saying it is drugs of course, don't get me wrong. But I like to start small with my speculations.
Probably explains some of it, I'd agree.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Not at all, in fact I envy people who do, but for some reason I'm just incapable of it myself.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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SirShroomsAlott said: Not at all, in fact I envy people who do, but for some reason I'm just incapable of it myself.
The older I get, the more I'm convinced that thinking and focusing on local community and really contributing to it is a major piece of the happiness and well being puzzle. The more I get caught up in stuff and frustrating situations (wars, global debt, politics, violence, etc.) and get all wound up about it, the more unhappy I become. I try to stay informed to vote effectively, but think the political system at the national level is rigged so I don't really make a difference. Locally, though, politics makes a HUGE difference and I can impact that.
Spending time with animals has such an incredibly positive impact too. Exercise and just having fun in nature is super important and all friends are not created equal. Some are destructive and some are incredibly constructive. Just eating healthy, cutting chemical intake and getting fun exercise in has an enormous impact.
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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