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There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e
#21923339 - 07/10/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue] 9
#21923353 - 07/10/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Turtletotem
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue] 1
#21923394 - 07/10/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's animals that adapt, but No signs/or proof in changing to human beings.
"Evolution VS God"? Oh buddy, you've been duped by snake's oil salesmen. Evolution does not negate the existence of God at all.
Also, FYI, there is PLENTY of evidence that all land chordates are descendant from fish.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue] 3
#21923395 - 07/10/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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And you have proof we came from elsewhere? Oh okay take a seat and settle down then.
I've never understood this misconception that evolution = no god. What retard form of logic do people use to make that connection.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
#21923408 - 07/10/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Evolution does not negate the existence of God at all.
Not the existence of some generic god. But it does negate the existence of the hebrew god because that god is defined to have created life in a span of a few days.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie] 3
#21923421 - 07/10/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Evolution does not negate the existence of God at all.
Not the existence of some generic god. But it does negate the existence of the hebrew god because that god is defined to have created life in a span of a few days.
Pff.. ever heard of poetic truths and metaphor? You don't have to take shit so literally man.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie] 4
#21923424 - 07/10/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are many things that negate the existence of the Hebrew god, I just don't understand why they only attach themselves to the evolution part of it.
In the same sense that I don't get why the sin of being gay (in their minds) is placed above all the other sins that are accepted by society.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Moonlightblue]
#21923429 - 07/10/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ancient astronaut theorists would suggest......
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21923431 - 07/10/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: What retard form of logic do people use to make that connection.
The same retard logic that an an old white-guy living in the sky with a beard controls every aspect of their day-to-day lives.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie] 1
#21923435 - 07/10/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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We are very close to proving life generating microbes can travel across the universe, hitchhiking on comets. More and more scientists admit the likelihood of far more advanced species than humans all over the universe is extremely likely.
The question of how life started on earth, how it might have been accelerated or improved, what interventions or game changing tampering might have occurred and how "isolated" we really are is changing rapidly.
God may simply be a very advanced species that is farming many species of life on this planet. One thing for sure, though, the human species is far, far advanced from any other species on our planet and that creates a lot of mystery about how that gap emerged and no other species exists that is anywhere near humans in terms of intelligence and ability.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21923446 - 07/10/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: There are many things that negate the existence of the Hebrew god, I just don't understand why they only attach themselves to the evolution part of it.
In the same sense that I don't get why the sin of being gay (in their minds) is placed above all the other sins that are accepted by society.
It is because they are told (By whom, by the way?*) that these issues are what matters the most to Christians, and being religious types, they don't tend to question it.
*Come to think of it, who exactly is spreading this misinformation? Who stands to gain from this? My bet is things like "Christian" "Science" institutions, anti-gay programs and nutjob millionairs, but who knows?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#21923449 - 07/10/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Evolution does not negate the existence of God at all.
Not the existence of some generic god. But it does negate the existence of the hebrew god because that god is defined to have created life in a span of a few days.
Pff.. ever heard of poetic truths and metaphor? You don't have to take shit so literally man.
I have heard of poetic truths and metaphor. The bible is not written in that way and is only interpreted in that way after its glaring inaccuracies are exposed. Its a retreat, its an equivocation, its a bunch of bullshit.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie] 1
#21923459 - 07/10/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: I have heard of poetic truths and metaphor. The bible is not written in that way and is only interpreted in that way after its glaring inaccuracies are exposed. Its a retreat, its an equivocation, its a bunch of bullshit.
It's a huge part of people's lives, it's a crutch for the terrors of adulthood, it is a part of their cultural background, it is comfort in times of stress, it is community in times of plenty, it is what their parents taught them and what they will teach their kids. It's stories through which they view the world, it is personal and communal experiences and it is a shared history that goes back millenia.
Cut them a fucking break, as long as they are not harming anybody, what's it to you?
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem] 2
#21923461 - 07/10/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: There are many things that negate the existence of the Hebrew god, I just don't understand why they only attach themselves to the evolution part of it.
In the same sense that I don't get why the sin of being gay (in their minds) is placed above all the other sins that are accepted by society.
It is because they are told (By whom, by the way?*) that these issues are what matters the most to Christians, and being religious types, they don't tend to question it.
*Come to think of it, who exactly is spreading this misinformation? Who stands to gain from this? My bet is things like "Christian" "Science" institutions, anti-gay programs and nutjob millionairs, but who knows?
To find out who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21923466 - 07/10/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: To find out who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire.
Sage advice, I'd add: follow the money to it, and I guess that gives us a pretty clear picture of the types of folks that go around turning ordinary god-loving people in raging hate puppets.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem]
#21923470 - 07/10/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Cut them a fucking break, as long as they are not harming anybody, what's it to you?
That is rarely the case. Either physically, mentally or even spiritually - they cause enormous harm. Believers are not benign, they are toxic.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie] 1
#21923478 - 07/10/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Cut them a fucking break, as long as they are not harming anybody, what's it to you?
That is rarely the case. Either physically, mentally or even spiritually - they cause enormous harm. Believers are not benign, they are toxic.
Really? Do you live in Syria or one of those southern US towns that has like, a church for every 5 people? Because my experience has been very different from yours.
In my experience, people with faith are people... with faith.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#21923484 - 07/10/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nope, I live in a more secular part of the US. In my experience people with faith have a saccharine sweet shell that is devoid of substance and a rotten core. The more faith, the more rotten.
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: SirShroomsAlott] 3
#21923485 - 07/10/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just a couple things to note regarding early human evolution.
1) Early primitive bipedal (standing upright) half-ape / half-human creatures show up in the fossil record 4 to 5 million years ago.
2) There are dozens of species of early humans (H. Habilis, H. Erectus, H. Ergaster, H. Georgicus, H. Pekinensis, H. Heidelbergensis, H. Sapiens, H. Rudolfensis, etc.)
3) You will only find early humans (500,000 years old or older) in Africa.
4) You will never find a 500,000 or 1,000,000 year old early human in the Americas or Australia as we evolved from Africa and it took 100s of thousands of years to conquer the globe.
5) Looking at fossil record, you can track the movements, they slowly (over millions of years) spread into Europe and Asia, they finally get to America barely 15,000 or so years ago.
6) As the species change over time their brain sizes slowly get larger.
7) You can find evidence of primitive fire use (all over Africa) starting about 1 million years ago, as we started to cook meat and increase our brain size.
8) There are absolutely positively zero archaic human fossils found in America. You won't even find a Neandrathral fossil! Homo Sapiens were the only ones that made it here (less than 20,000 years ago).
Meet one of your ancestors, of the species Homo Erectus, from which you descend:
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Re: There's still no proof we come from fishers, reptiles or w.e [Re: DieCommie]
#21923504 - 07/10/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Nope, I live in a more secular part of the US. In my experience people with faith have a saccharine sweet shell that is devoid of substance and a rotten core. The more faith, the more rotten.
Jesus Fucking Christ. Do you see what you are doing here?
@ Confucian: Very nice, I love early human history. I've got multiple books on the subject, but best of all is a DVD with a heavily dramatized account of the Out of Africa theory It's full of weapon using and shamans and shit, it's the bomb!
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