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Invisiblenooneman
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10mg 4-ho-mipt: very gentle
    #21922551 - 07/09/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It was a bright white sticky powder not unlike powdered sugar. It was very sticky, and very light. That is, a large volume was only a small weight. It dissolves very poorly in water. It's probably one of the least water soluble chemicals I've ever had experience with. I cannot overemphasize how sticky this chemical is despite its bright white powdery appearance. Its lightness and its stickyness make it difficult to work with. It took almost 20 minutes of stirring for it to dissolve.

Taste is awful, one of the strongest and worst tastes I've yet had experience with. It is as bad as NBOMe, maybe worse because it is stronger.

The following was written during the trip:


0:00
- I consumed it over the course of 20 minutes.

0:20
- This feels very comfortable. My initial dose was small to test for how steep this dose curve was going to be, allergic reaction, etc. but this feels surprisingly comfortable at this stage. On 4-aco-dmt or psilocin, I would have a good amount of anxiety right now, but there is very little anxiety. Colors are more colorful and more noticable. I feel somewhat relaxed. There is an edge of anxiety, but compared to psilocin... this is quite comfortable.

I initially was worried because the powder is so light that I had to use a lot of it to measure out 10mg. It looked like a lot more than 10mg, and my scale has been going downhill recently, so I was worried. Now, I feel calm about this. I am having none of the usual existential anxiety about arrest/people hearing me/someone knocking at the door/etc. that I usually do on psilocin and 4-aco-dmt. Maybe the anxiety will ramp up as time progresses, who knows?

I've read quite a few trip reports, and it seems like this stuff takes an hour+ to come up. There is already slight alteration, but not much. Very, very gentle so far.

0:40
- Starting to feel it more now. Strange body sensations, slight waves of stomach discontent. Nose went from runny and stuffy to clear. There is a body warmth, just a gentle warmth inside my chest. Visuals are very, very light so far, almost threshold. My mind is still fairly clear. Anxiety is slightly worse, but I still feel oddly calm and content.

0:50
- I am becoming more lazy. I have little desire to write or to participate in social activity. Reminds me of psilocin in how lazy it is making me. I find myself trying to read the shroomery, but just scrolling up and down staring off into space, and only reading an occasional word here and there. Stomach discontent grows in waves, but is not yet bad. Still very little anxiety, and despite my laziness, my mind is relatively clear. The body sensations are similar to psilocin, except that the head experience of psilocin is almost completely absent. Normally, these strange body sensations would send my mind through loops, but my mind is fairly calm and clear. My body is a little shakey. I feel as though I should feel more anxious, but I don't, and that duality is strange. Visuals are still light. This stuff is felt in the body before it is felt in the mind or seen.

1:00 - My mind is altered, but not in an anxious way. I find myself dwelling on words, repeating them in my mind, or phrases. There is still no anxiety, none of the existential worries about arrest/people at my door/phone calls/etc. Although I doubt that I could pass as normal, I would feel comfortable trying to make the attempt, whereas even the idea of making an attempt would drive me crazy on 4-aco-dmt. Things look smaller. Soda cans nearby seem smaller, my mouse and keyboard seem smaller. My hands are shakey, as is my body, but I can figure out no reason for it. I don't feel anything emotionally. Looking at normal every day objects is distracting, but I can't quite put my finger on why. There is a certain look to them, but it's hard to describe.

I like this compound. It reminds me of psilocin or 4-aco-dmt, but it's much more gentle. It's almost as gentle as 2CE, but more mind altering, and there is no stimulation. This is like psilocin or 4-aco-dmt without the heavy mind alteration. It is definitely a tryptamine. It is strange, as if someone just clipped the whole anxiety filled mental aspect out of 4-aco-dmt entirely. The mind is altered, but again, I just find myself repeating words and phrases over and over. The visuals are different though. I'm excited to see how they progress.

Jesus, this chemical is gentle though. I do appreciate how gentle this chemical is. To think I almost thought of taking a benzo before this began.

1:30 - I watched visuals on the ceiling, laid in a chair and thought about life, and stared at various objects long enough for visuals to forms. This stuff is a lot like an extremely comfortable version of 4-aco-dmt. Clearly, I've dosed myself at a light trip, just below a medium trip. I'm at a ++ on the border of +++. Flowing and patterning is similar to 4-aco-dmt, but more organic (very geometric, but with a strong dose of organic in the patterns, images, etc.).

There is a pleasant body feeling with this one, not unlike 25c. I wouldn't compare it to a low dose of an MDMA like drug, but only because there are no other MDMA like effects. The body feels good, but there is no enhancement socially or empathetically.

Watching flowing and patterning on the ceiling, it's pretty standard, a little more organic. It's like if you took 4-aco-dmt, and you made it completely comfortable, and then you moved the visuals slightly toward 2CE (just slightly), that's what this is like visually.

Mentally, it's comfortable in the extreme. You could get yourself into trouble with this one because the mental aspect is so light and comfortable. You could really up the dose quite far without this becoming uncomfortable mentally. I'm not surprised to hear of people going up to 40mg. I bet visually 40mg beats an equivalent amount of 4-aco-dmt visually by a long shot, but mentally it would feel like maybe 25mg 4-aco-dmt. It's very comfortable. Reminds me of 2CE mentally, which is the highest compliment I can think of. Except, it's more mentally altering than 2CE, but in a good way.

Depth wise, this might be deeper at higher doses. Currently, it is a little shallow. An equivalent amount of 4-aco-dmt is deeper at this dose, and I expect an equivalent amount of 4-aco-dmt to be deeper at every dose. Never the less, there is some potential that at higher doses there would be emotional and philosophical depth. For example...

I spent some time sitting on a chair thinking about life, much as I had during a recent 4-aco-dmt trip. This time the content was more sad, and seemed less personally meaningful. Despite the sad content, I could navigate around the headspace much more comfortably than I would be able to on psilocin. I think that if things took a dark turn on this substance, it would be easy to just mentally turn it out and get out of it. On 4-aco-dmt, that would be impossible.

I have to say, the body feeling is very comfortable. I'm sitting in a chair, and my whole body feels pretty fantastic. Very comfortable, very relaxed. Not unusual or awkward at all, just all around good.

Of all the psychedelics I've tried, this would (by a wide margin) be the easiest and most comfortable to have sex on. It wouldn't be awkward mentally or physically, which is perhaps why sex gets brought up a lot with this compound. I'm someone who hates even the idea of having sex on psychedelics, so that should give you an idea of just how comfortable this psychedelic is.

2:00 - Spent some time sitting in complete darkness. Need a higher dose for that kind of thing to be even remotely entertaining. This stuff is mentally shallow at this dose. Almost too mentally shallow for my taste. The body feeling is quite good, and it's very comfortable, but aside from some basic psychedelic confusion there is not much going on mentally or emotionally. I find myself almost bored. There is none of the anxiety or confusion or relief of 4-aco-dmt to keep me entertained. This stuff is so comfortable that you could end up bored on it, I certainly have. Music and color and sense of touch and smell are all enhanced. Time is only slightly dilated.

I would like to try this stuff at a much higher dose. I would feel comfortable skipping straight from 10mg to 20mg, even having extensive experience with how much that kind of change in dose can affect things mentally. I bet this stuff would be spectacular at that kind of dose. It's so easy mentally, I would love to know what it gets like when it isn't so easy.

You could do this stuff at a party and have a good time, or a club, rave, etc. It's even better than something like NBOMe for that because there is just enough mental and emotional alteration to keep things interesting in such a setting. I would feel comfortable interacting with others, even though I know I'd be terrible at expressing myself. I'm surprised this stuff hasn't seen much use in these contexts in the past. If this stuff is so gentle. I am now curious to know just how extremely gentle 4-aco-met might be. Perhaps at higher doses, it might end up not being good for such things, but at this dose it seems pretty perfect for social settings, even if the effects were more intense.

I'm off to take a shower, I'm sure that will be thoroughly enjoyable. It's just too bad I don't have music in there. The combination of the two would be good.

2:30 - Shower was good. Effects are starting to die down. Would not be surprised if I'm mostly back to normal by hour 4. By hour 5 I expect to be fully back. Time is moving at it's normal rate once again. I must have peaked at about 1:30. My body still feels quite good.

Visuals are interesting when looking at photographs. They almost look 3d. At times when I was peaking, the patterning almost looked 3d. I wonder if at higher doses this is more pronounced, or if it vanishes.

3:00 - Effects are decreasing. I'm hungry, but finding the right food would be difficult. I'm confident I could pretend with varying success to not be under the influence of anything. I debate going outside for nicotine. I feel normal, but when I try to do something, I quickly realize I'm still under the influence. The good body feeling is leaving, sadly.

4:00 - I feel good, just kindof in general. The effects are very minor, almost completely gone, but there is still a general alteration, and a good kind of afterglow. This stuff feels very clean. Only very slight visuals remain, and I have to stare at a surface for a good 5-10 seconds before they appear.

5:00
- I eat some food. I even left the house to get it. I interact with a few people, and I'm still a bit altered. My conversations are strange on my part. It's odd because I don't feel altered mentally, and I don't have any visuals, but I can't seem to hold a completely normal conversation. I'm not really feeling any effects, but I'm not really back to 100% baseline. I still feel very good though. This trip was refreshing. It has a nice afterglow. The afterglow is almost as good as 4-aco-dmt.

6:00 - I am as close to baseline as I'm going to be without sleep.


Overall:

4-ho-mipt is very gentle. It is probably the most gentle psychedelic I've ever taken. Coming up was extremely gentle. The peak was extremely gentle. I like this chemical a lot, but I don't think 10mg is enough. 10mg just left me wanting more. I really wish I would have taken 20mg instead, but I would never have done that first time out with a new RC.

4-ho-mipt is even more gentle than 2CE in many ways. In fact, the mindspace reminds me a lot of 2CE just because of how gentle it is, but this really isn't a very accurate comparison. 4-ho-mipt is more mind altering than 2CE, but waaay waaay less than 4-aco-dmt or psilocin.

It has the pleasant body feelings of 25c, which I did not expect. I suppose I should have considering that 5-meo-mipt is supposed to have even stronger effects in this area. Never the less, being on 4-ho-mipt just felt really good body wise. Sex on this psychedelic would be easier and more rewarding than on any other psychedelic I've tried, and this is coming from someone who hates the idea of sex on a psychedelic.

This drug feels really, really clean. You can tell it's a tryptamine just because of how clean it feels. No vasoconstriction, no aches or pains, etc. This is the polar opposite of an NBOMe. It feels clean, and it feels safe. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this drug has as large of a safety window as 4-aco-dmt. It feels cleaner than allylescaline. It feels way cleaner than even 2CE. The only other drug I've been on that felt this clean is 4-aco-dmt.

The only negative thing I have to say about it is that it was shallow. However, so is the NBOMe family, and this is less shallow than an NBOMe. At this dose, it became boring after a while because it was shallow. I don't think that low dosing this chemical is going to be rewarding. I suspect it will become dramatically less shallow at higher doses.

I think this is a chemical that is built for larger doses. It's gentle enough, it feels good enough, it has a calm enough headspace, it's almost like it was custom built for larger doses. Let me be clear, by larger doses, I mean 20mg-30mg.

Overall, I really genuinely look forward to trying this drug again at a higher dose.






TLDR: 4-ho-mipt is very gentle, and very clean.


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Invisiblenooneman
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Re: 10mg 4-ho-mipt: very gentle [Re: nooneman]
    #21931783 - 07/12/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Update:

This stuff has an amazing afterglow. 2 days later, and I still feel a hundred times better than I did before the trip, and the trip wasn't even that strong. I've tripped on 4-aco-dmt and 2CE recently, and neither of them had an afterglow like this. This is really an amazing chemical.


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