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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: trendal]
    #2195454 - 12/22/03 10:38 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

If you don't know exactly how something works, it's stupid to claim that you can't explain it with logic.

So saying you can't explain love with logic is ridiculous.

There is a theoretical explaination for love that doesn't test the boundaries of logic: it's a function of human psychology, created by firing neurons and shifting brain chemistry.

"But it's too magical for that. I can FEEL that it's a special force in the universe."

"Maybe your brain can make you feel anything."


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Positronius]
    #2195463 - 12/22/03 10:42 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

"actually, I dont think any emotion is very logical, it seems that being devoid of emotion is the most logical approach to life. Calculate the risks, analyze the variables, thats the true middle path. "

I think they're talking about the universe making sense, not making choices.

Without any emotion... is it even logical to preserve your own life?


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Phluck]
    #2196351 - 12/22/03 06:29 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed....I think it is ILLOGICAL to be an emotion-less zombie, because we are HUMAN. It is logical for humans to have emotions. Sure, some may say that certain emotional reactions by certain people can be "illogical", but does that mean that all emotion in our personality is therefore, illogical, or obsolete and unneccesary? Most certainly not, as there are more and far more emotional reactions, which of course are on the logical side, and much of what determines the logic of it is actually quite subjective, at times. So, it's safe to say within the most strictest sense of logic, most of our emotions, one way or another, are actually logical.

Anger is probably one of the most positive motivators you possess, yet you?re always told not to be angry you must be angry when it comes to injustices. You must vent your righteous anger. You are sound of mind and know that you aren?t going to be aggressive. There?s a difference between aggression and anger. You develop so many ills because you invert anger, and most of it is anger toward yourself. When you invert your anger, you create a great overabundance of adrenaline, you develop a case of acid indigestion, and most likely you?ll contract dysentery. You see, if you don?t release your anger one way, you?re going to release it in another. Thusly, in my view, as described in my example above, it is irrational and illogical to succumb to the fallacy of "enlightenment" in terms of basically transforming yourself into--like I said earlier--an emotion-less zombie.


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2197540 - 12/23/03 10:15 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

jesus christ guys get your shit together
lol
really tho god isnt god, hes just like... some kind of vapour or something. ANd he does care, but in a vapourish way that solid people like us will never understand.

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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2197594 - 12/23/03 10:49 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

A woman is beaten in the U.S. every 15 seconds.

Dang! I wanted to respond to this post, but that dinger keeps going off. I'll be right back...


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Swami]
    #2197658 - 12/23/03 11:28 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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A woman is beaten in the U.S. every 15 seconds.

Dang! I wanted to respond to this post, but that dinger keeps going off. I'll be right back...




If the dinger goes off while you are in the middle of something, just rattle your chain.


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2197670 - 12/23/03 11:34 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Anger is probably one of the most positive motivators you possess, yet you?re always told not to be angry you must be angry when it comes to injustices. You must vent your righteous anger.

Yeah, the Rodney King riots accomplished positive social change. Those Korean grocers sure learned their lesson; and that innocent white truck driver...


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Swami]
    #2197866 - 12/23/03 01:37 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Just because sometimes righteous anger is used inappropriately doesn't mean it's always inappropriate.


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Frog]
    #2197940 - 12/23/03 02:11 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I can't speak for certain on this, but while anger might be a good motivator, it can tend to cloud the mind... someone who is more aware and is thinking from a more centered state of mind is probably going to be more capable of accomplishing what has been set out for and will do it more effectively....

It always makes me think of Gandalf. Damn, what a persona...
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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2198267 - 12/23/03 04:56 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

It always makes me think of Gandalf.

You get one guess who that character was modelled after. Begins with an "S"...


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2198298 - 12/23/03 05:11 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

From what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, the behavior of particles in quantum physics doesn't seem to adhere to what we think of as logic.


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Tonearm]
    #2198456 - 12/23/03 06:48 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Just like much of the world, this thread is filled with ignorance. The egotistical man might get mad at that statement, but regardless,it holds truth.


Human Logic, the logic humans use, is a human creation. So no, the universe , in its entirty, could never be accurately understood through logic.

Logic itself is a science, and does not breed understanding. You need consciousness to understand something.


Technically, Logic MIGHT be able to explain the universe (not our logic, though). Having said that, the explanation would probably be a 10,000 page book of musical notes, or a 10,000 page scientific explanation.

How does that make one "understand" the universe?



I can look at a human, and I can explain his situation, but does that mean I understand him?





Logic is a very premature science, and doesn't hold much merit to reality.

Logic has its uses, there is no denying that. But no system of thought can explain the unvierse, for the universe is not graspable by thought alone.

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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2198967 - 12/24/03 12:56 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Here's something that can't explained by logic;

The Mind?

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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Ginseng]
    #2198988 - 12/24/03 01:04 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Why do you really care?

Because i'm curious.

Why are you curious?

Because I want to know things.

Why do you want to know things, what's the purpose?

So I can be a more wise and established person.

Why? Why does that matter to YOU, anyone else, or to the universe.

Can you explain your own little world through logic and why there's no answer or root for any true questions we ask ourselves.

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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Swami]
    #2199039 - 12/24/03 01:41 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
It always makes me think of Gandalf.

You get one guess who that character was modelled after. Begins with an "S"...




S.. S.. who the hell starts with an OH! Superman! Ahhh.. it all makes sense now..


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Swami]
    #2199143 - 12/24/03 03:55 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to have to go with Swami, for 200.
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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2199482 - 12/24/03 10:07 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
I'm going to have to go with Swami, for 200.
Peace.




No, wait, Solomon! Solomon! I vote Solomon! :grin:

*really doesn't have a clue*
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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Ginseng]
    #2199639 - 12/24/03 11:32 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

"Can you explain your own little world through logic and why there's no answer or root for any true questions we ask ourselves. "

Just because you don't have the ability to explain something through logic does not mean it isn't possible.

Here, fill in the variables for me to solve this equation:

x / .09 = z

You can't do it, you don't have all the information. Does that mean that the equation is illogical, or that you just don't know enough to explain it with logic?

Also, I don't see why logic is a human creation. Most of our thoughts and conclusions we reach are not done by carefully calculating logic. We didn't begin using logic until we observed logical things happening in the universe.


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Phluck]
    #2199689 - 12/24/03 12:11 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I do think logic is a human creation. The only thing logical about what is happening in the universe are the models-of-logic we apply to what we perceive.


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Re: Not everything can be explained by logic [Re: Tonearm]
    #2199694 - 12/24/03 12:16 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

So... thinking about stuff is pointless?


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