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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Atreyu]
    #21925513 - 07/10/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Is it not enough that the general public wants them labeled?




It used to be enough but now big money is the boss. Big money can find a thousand lackeys to do its bidding. They buy however many politicians they need.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Atreyu]
    #21925634 - 07/10/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Is it not enough that the general public wants them labeled?



Not when we're talking about a fundamental right, it isn't.

Think about it this way, if the general public wanted slavery back, would that be enough to override the Constitution?  Same principle here.  The whole purpose of a Constitution is to reduce tyranny of the majority by having a supreme body of law that is not subject to the whims of public opinion.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Atreyu]
    #21925644 - 07/10/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well Monsanto has spent millions fighting against it.. so no.. it's not enough.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Enlil]
    #21925675 - 07/10/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What horseshit comparing modifying a label with bringing back slavery.

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>Well Monsanto has spent millions fighting against it.. so no.. it's not enough.

You said the magic words. Spend enough money in the right places and laws get made or changed, the media says what you want to hear and you get your way. And the sheep believe the lies you told, that's the icing on the cake. They will even stand up and defend Monsanto while they are poisoning them with roundup etc.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21925870 - 07/10/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't under stand the problem GMO has been going on since the days of Gregor Mendel just on a macro level rather than a micro level. It's not like every sheep is dolly the sheep and their mot cloning animals with plants WTF GMO is pretty much the same as selective breeding just more on a precise level. it 's not like it is a new thing. :gc:


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21925899 - 07/10/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What is new is that they can move genes from bacteria, animals or even jellyfish into other species. They put a gene in to give resistence to roundup, a toxic herbicide and now all those crops are loaded with the crap plus the new gene.

We simply don't know the long term effects of these frankenstein experiments. We are not asking them to be all banned, simply to be informed when they are present. But noooooooo


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21925964 - 07/10/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: You think you don't eat enough herbicides and insecticides in a year? Plus jellyfish is a delicacy in Japan so you're getting a bargain. Let me know when they start cloning Fugu into tomatos. :lol: Soylent Green is made of people :wtfsonic: !


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21926048 - 07/10/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Here ya go pris, another study to sneer at. Were the doctors all quacks? Is the website untrustworthy according to you? I know you can't deal with facts so it will be something like that.

HTTP://WWW.TRUEACTIVIST.COM/END-OF-ASPARTAME-STUDY-LINKS-DIET-SODA-TO-MAJOR-PROBLEMS/





ok,let me explain this is simple, easy to follow terms... this is an article,
it's not a study, this article cites sources such as mercola, a well known
fraudster and crackpot who got his doctorate in a field of quackery. that's an
article with an agenda, not a scientific study



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But in a study (published in 2014) which took place over 10 years and involved 60,000 women, it was determined that women who drink two or more diet drinks a day have much higher cardiovascular disease rates and are more likely to die from the disease.

In the largest study of its kind, The University of Iowa concluded the following:

[C]ompared to women who never or only rarely consume diet drinks, those who consume two or more a day are 30 percent more likely to have a cardiovascular event [heart attack or stroke] and 50 percent more likely to die from related disease.

On average, women who consumed two or more diet drinks a day were younger, more likely to be smokers, and had a higher prevalence of diabetes, high blood pressure, and higher body mass index.







that last part you seem to kinda overlook but it's clear you didnt click the
link to the study the article is misrepresenting because it was a study of
older women but wait... the study it links to isnt a study, it's an article as
well


now in that article it says:

http://now.uiowa.edu/2014/03/ui-study-finds-diet-drinks-associated-heart-trouble-older-women
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UI study finds diet drinks associated with heart trouble for older women
One of the largest study of its kind looks at diet drinks and cardiovascular outcomes


“We only found an association, so we can’t say that diet drinks cause these problems,” Vyas says, adding that there may be other factors about people who drink more diet drinks that could explain the connection.

“It’s too soon to tell people to change their behavior based on this study; however, based on these and other findings we have a responsibility to do more research to see what is going on and further define the relationship, if one truly exists,” he adds. “This could have major public health implications.”

Future research could include clinical studies, animal models, and even molecular and pharmacologic analyses to begin to explain what, if any, direct role diet drinks play in heart health.






so wait a second, the researcher that conducted this study didnt conduct a
clinical study, it kinda sounds like it was merely a survey by the text of
the original article and in all this they found that the majority that drank
2+ drinks a day also lead unhealthy lifestyles such as smoking

wait a second... that wasnt even the original article

Quote:

Note to Editors: This release is adapted from a news release prepared by the American College of Cardiology.




so wait, it's an article based on an article based on an article and you're
trying to pass this shit off as a study... are you really this dumb?


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21926074 - 07/10/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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We simply don't know the long term effects of these frankenstein experiments. We are not asking them to be all banned, simply to be informed when they are present. But noooooooo




what do you consider to be long term?


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Shroomism]
    #21926126 - 07/10/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well Monsanto has spent millions fighting against it.. so no.. it's not enough.






so it's about the money? how much has monsanto actually spent in it's lobbying efforts?

the anti-GMO lobby spent $9.3 million in 2013 to get products labeled while the
total for  biotech and agribusiness in 2014 was only $9 million. surely it wasnt
all monsanto especially since ConAgra and Sygenta are also large contributors

how about giving us the exact amount that monsanto spent in either 2013 or 2014
on their lobbying efforts since it's clear that big organic and big anti-GMO
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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #21926154 - 07/10/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

don't be shy, pris, tell us if you liked the link or not?

Lol @ the cherry picking for any perceived flaw or possible flaw or imaginary flaw. Oh golly, was it on older women? Then lets disregard. They mentioned your favorite doctor? Maybe he is not such a quack after all? Might even be a better doctor than you?

Lets not fight, we agree you disagree.

Long term? how long did it take for asbestos problems to show up? How long before it was proven?

You think monsatan and the other creeps are going to tell the truth on what they spent or just what can be proven? They spend much more on sneaky stuff, sponsoring studies that just by coincidence always say what the sponsors want. Or the researchers get no more work and their conclusions are buried. Payoffs to politicians, think they put that in the 9 mill? There are many ways to skin a cat.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21926350 - 07/10/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21927002 - 07/11/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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don't be shy, pris, tell us if you liked the link or not?

Lol @ the cherry picking for any perceived flaw or possible flaw or imaginary flaw. Oh golly, was it on older women? Then lets disregard. They mentioned your favorite doctor? Maybe he is not such a quack after all? Might even be a better doctor than you?

Lets not fight, we agree you disagree.




so you're saying I just blew your whole argument out of the water again

you want non-GMO foods, grow it yourself, dont eat the GMO shit, it's not rocket surgery, the companies that use it are well known, you know what to avoid so avoid it and quit hounding the world with your scare tactics and conspiracy theories because the sane and rational world knows that there's no dangers from this shit


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You think monsatan and the other creeps are going to tell the truth on what they spent or just what can be proven? They spend much more on sneaky stuff, sponsoring studies that just by coincidence always say what the sponsors want. Or the researchers get no more work and their conclusions are buried. Payoffs to politicians, think they put that in the 9 mill? There are many ways to skin a cat.





see, to you it's a big conspiracy

seralini's link to the anti-GMO crowd is well know, his funding is directly
from their coffers, why not show us something of substance since you claim all
these researchers and politicians are being paid off. that's the thing about
money, it leaves a trail and when it's more than 1000 differnt researchers with
more than 3000 studies and billions of meals served using GMOs, wouldnt you
think that some of this shit would have shown up and actually been linked to
the GMOs by someone that wasnt so easy to discredit because his research didnt
fucking match his conclusions... apparently he's like you, he didnt believe
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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21927191 - 07/11/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Better not tell them about how bacteria integrates into human DNA.  They'll make us all wear GMO labels.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21928048 - 07/11/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>so you're saying I just blew your whole argument out of the water again

No, your feeble argument based on guilt by association, weak points and slander has failed once again. Some 166,000 cases are not an anomaly, we now know its crap. But eat up a big bowl of gm corn with a splash of roundup. No one will stop you but they might want to watch.

The "lets keep it secret" crowd is going down in flames.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21929287 - 07/11/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>so you're saying I just blew your whole argument out of the water again

No, your feeble argument based on guilt by association, weak points and slander has failed once again.





so pointing out the flaws in those stupid articles is guilt by association?

the one so called study even stated they cant attribute the health problems to diet drinks


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Some 166,000 cases are not an anomaly , we now know its crap





what 166,000 cases of what?

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. But eat up a big bowl of gm corn with a splash of roundup. No one will stop you but they might want to watch.





manure is safe so why dont you eat it?
organic pesticides are safe so why dont you eat that?


everyone sees what your argument breaks down to when your 'evidence' is picked
apart, it's sad and your unconvincing and certainly dont appear to know what
you're talking about, you just link to shit and get enraged when it's torn down
for being fraudulent and you still keep believing this shit you spread

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The "lets keep it secret" crowd is going down in flames.





so you kick the pieces off the board, throw a fit and scream that you're the
winner when you havent come close to making an opening move, :brilliant:

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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #21929456 - 07/11/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your so called 'picking apart' is the usual "I don't like that doctor, I don't like that study, quit convincing me against my will. Waahh!"


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Atreyu]
    #21929667 - 07/11/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Is it not enough that the general public wants them labeled?



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1. No it is not enough.  The constitution was written to protect rights like free speech from the tyranny of a majority.
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2. You have no hard proof that that is actually what the general public wants.


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Re: 68% of doctors think GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21936015 - 07/13/15 03:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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However, when an international group of scientists did gather to discuss the matter, they concluded that mutant crops aren’t needed to feed the world.




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