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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21924434 - 07/10/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So what percentage of food products do you think contain American corn?  (not a rhetorical question, I don't readily know).  I'm guessing, but what?  probably 80-90%?  including restaurant foods.

Your proposal would literally, label just about everything as GMO...and we're just talking about corn.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21924443 - 07/10/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>The thing about costs is a scapegoat argument to distract people from the real reasons that corporations don't want the labels in place. Basically labeling allows products that are more expensive to produce to have a competitive edge against GMOs.

Exactly right! The poor sheep who believe whatever is in the media have been trained to think gmo should be sneaked into our food to protect corporate profits. They don't think it through.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: badchad]
    #21924473 - 07/10/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So what percentage of food products do you think contain American corn?  (not a rhetorical question, I don't readily know).  I'm guessing, but what?  probably 80-90%?  including restaurant foods.

Your proposal would literally, label just about everything as GMO...and we're just talking about corn.




Oh, the sky is falling if we have labels. People will get confused and stop eating.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21924500 - 07/10/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh, the sky is falling if we have labels. People will get confused and stop eating.




Says chicken little that started the "scary GMO" thread.

How about you answer the question:  Given the widspread use of American corn, and that the majority of American corn is GMO, is your proposal to label almost EVERY product as GMO?

Also, GMO corn is primarily used as corn feed.  Would you also label beef as "Fed GMO corn"?


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: badchad]
    #21924509 - 07/10/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh, the sky is falling if we have labels. People will get confused and stop eating.




Says chicken little that started the "scary GMO" thread.

How about you answer the question:  Given the widspread use of American corn, and that the majority of American corn is GMO, is your proposal to label almost EVERY product as GMO?




That sounds consistent with his statements. What's wrong with it?


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: badchad]
    #21924544 - 07/10/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>How about you answer the question:  Given the widspread use of American corn, and that the majority of American corn is GMO, is your proposal to label almost EVERY product as GMO?

Its far from almost every product. And so what? The cost is miniscule and they do it with dozens of other ingredients too.

>Also, GMO corn is primarily used as corn feed.  Would you also label beef as "Fed GMO corn"?

Yes


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21924547 - 07/10/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21924564 - 07/10/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nothing particularly.  One would question the utility of having over 90% of products labeled as "GMO" (I guess they'll put a disclaimer on restaurant items).  More importantly, of what utility is it to have a product labeled as "GMO" when  it contains 0.001% corn?

All of this notwithstanding that GMO products undergo the same safety evaluations as non-GMO.

On second thought, totally well-thought out idea.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: badchad]
    #21924782 - 07/10/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nothing particularly.  One would question the utility of having over 90% of products labeled as "GMO" (I guess they'll put a disclaimer on restaurant items).  More importantly, of what utility is it to have a product labeled as "GMO" when  it contains 0.001% corn?

All of this notwithstanding that GMO products undergo the same safety evaluations as non-GMO.

On second thought, totally well-thought out idea.




Any source to back the claim up that stat BTW? I'm not really doubting it, I'm just curious. The specifications for labeling would have to be better thought out. The idea certainly isn't ready to be put into place. I would argue for something like a little symbol by the GMO ingredients on the already existing ingredients list, not a bulk GMO label, which would be stupid to put on a label without knowing the specifics anyway.

"All of this notwithstanding that GMO products undergo the same safety evaluations as non-GMO."

True, and that's a good thing. I just think it would be nice to know that a new organism is being used in the food I'm eating. It would be nice to be able to identify that organism, so I could learn more about how it was modified. The whole idea does have practical problems, I admit. And they are significant.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 1
    #21924812 - 07/10/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you don't want to eat GMO, then onlt buy food which os voluntarily labled jnon-gmo.  Its simple, quit being a petty tyrant trying to get everyone to cater to your irrational fears.  If there is not enough of a non GMO labled food selection for you,  maybe you shouldn't blindly believe in vapid hype and fear mongering which lacks evidence.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Shins]
    #21924832 - 07/10/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Again, nobody is fear mongering as far as I can tell. The polls suggest that people want to know when they're eating GMO stuff, and many of them are probably afraid at some level. The best way to deal with that fear is to tell them what they want to know. Withholding information makes people scared.


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Re: 102.5% of doctors think GMO's should be labeled [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21924839 - 07/10/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Food labels should be far better than they are now so sure, mention it.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21924873 - 07/10/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Selling products on the market place is not a right, its a privilege and the public has a right to know what they are getting.




Uh...yeah...selling products is a right, protected by the Constitution.  There is, however, no right to know the genetic makeup of a product.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21924879 - 07/10/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Any source to back the claim up that stat BTW?.




Not very good ones.  There are local media articles describing the amount of corn in our products and some anecdotal news storiesabout it.  We could probably also take into account high fructose corn syrup and amount in grain used for livestock, and I speculate the number is huge.

And that's JUST CORN.

Taking into account other GMOs, I'd guess the vast amount of food products have some trace of GMO :shrug:.  In terms of feasability, it's easier to label the non-GMO items.  In addition, if you check that agricultureal reference above, there are thousands of GMO varieties.  I dare say there are lots of differences.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: badchad]
    #21924887 - 07/10/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Any source to back the claim up that stat BTW?.




Not very good ones.  There are local media articles describing the amount of corn in our products and some anecdotal news storiesabout it.  We could probably also take into account high fructose corn syrup and amount in grain used for livestock, and I speculate the number is huge.

And that's JUST CORN.

Taking into account other GMOs, I'd guess the vast amount of food products have some trace of GMO :shrug:.  In terms of feasability, it's easier to label the non-GMO items.  In addition, if you check that agricultureal reference above, there are thousands of GMO varieties.  I dare say there are lots of differences.




Potatoes, various other kinds of produce, and meats are also genetically engineered. The figure of 90% is probably pretty reasonable. It might even be higher.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Enlil]
    #21924890 - 07/10/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>selling products is a right, protected by the Constitution.

I await your quote from the constitution. Something tortured no doubt away from its original meaning. The feds regulate interstate commerce, that would include banning sellers who don't follow the rules.

.001% corn in a product? Why on earth would it be there then?


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21924896 - 07/10/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Allergy Information: These potato chips were produced in a factory that also processes corn, may contain traces of corn.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Enlil]
    #21924955 - 07/10/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see your quote. You have dodged again. Where in the constitution, not in Wikipedia, does it give a right to sell?


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21925049 - 07/10/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"No State shall . . . pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts"


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