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68% of doctors think GMO's should be labeled
    #21920927 - 07/09/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The media and govt keep giving us propaganda that gmo's are good for us and nothing to be concerned about. Most people want to know what is in their food but Monsanto and other huge companies are determined that we will not. Their lobbying (bribery) has gotten them a bill in congress to block states from requiring labels. What are they so afraid of?

http://naturalsociety.com/survey-68-of-doctors-think-gmos-should-be-labeled/

Most Americans aren’t waiting for doctors to support GMO labeling. We have been very clear; we want GMO labeling now, and we are even willing to go to court for it. Now, mirroring what millions of Americans have voiced over the past years, a leading network of doctor’s has voted on GMO labeling, and they overwhelmingly support it.

SERMO currently consists of 358,000 members – all verified and credentialed physicians. For the moment, they represent doctors primarily in the United States and Canada, but the network is expanding to include a global community.

Of all the doctors asked if GM foods should be labeled, a whopping 68 percent thought people should be given the right to know what is in their food – for obvious health concerns associated with genetically modified food. And of course the basic right to know what we’re really consuming.

SERMO is essentially like Facebook for doctors, where they can, according to the SERMO website, ‘talk openly and anonymously.’

That means no biotech industry infiltration, except for the likely-visiting shills and trolls which infiltrate most social media. Reportedly, an honest discussion among medical professionals can be had at this network. If that’s truly the case, the 68 percent who agree with labeling GMOs is even more significant, because it is a number which is likely more accurate than even the polls which found that 66+ percent of Americans wanted GM labeling, as reported by mainstream media.

Surveys repeatedly show that 80 percent to 95 percent of people want foods that contain genetically modified organisms to be labeled, in the least. Here is a simple breakdown of some reported polls on consumer demand for GMO labeling:

The New York Times: 93% found to be in support of labeling GMOs
MSNBC: 96% in support
Reuters/NPR: 93% in support of full labeling
Washington Post: 95% in support of full labeling
Consumer Reports: 95% agree GM animals should be labeled
ABC News: 93% want federal GM labeling mandate
What’s more, in a recently published Nielsen study of 30,000 consumers, 80 percent of respondents said they would pay more for foods that indicate a degree of healthfulness, such as those labeled ‘Non-GMO.’ Do we really need more proof that people are turning their backs on biotech-altered poison crops?

Even doctors desire GMO labeling – but you can bet the biotech industry will have a way to skew those facts as well.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21920938 - 07/09/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

68% is surprisingly low. You'd think more doctors would be in favor of informative food labeling.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21920952 - 07/09/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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68% is surprisingly low. You'd think more doctors would be in favor of informative food labeling.




They get propagandized too and they are only human. However, that story will never make it into the major media. Just a hunch I have. Monsatan would not like it.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21920963 - 07/09/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You'd think more doctors would be in favor of informative food labeling.




Its not informative food labeling, its baseless fear mongering.  Producers are free to label their food how they like.  If you don't want GMO then buy good labeled non-GMO.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21920975 - 07/09/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There's nothing to loose by putting that labeling in place but profits for those assholes. It's getting harder to post about this kind of shit without frothing at the mouth. I doubt there are even any serious risks to most people from GMO foods, but refusing to label them just makes it impossible to do large scale research like metadata studies on the matter. Fucking assholes. It'd be nice if we had a government to protect us from this kind of stuff.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: DieCommie]
    #21920981 - 07/09/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You forgot the bill in congress forbidding states from labeling produce. We can't even label the country of origin anymore because we ceded sovereignty to Europe on those things.

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>It'd be nice if we had a government to protect us from this kind of stuff

Our govt is bought and paid for.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21920993 - 07/09/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I love GMOs. More vitamins per square inch. More square inches per veggie.

Best invention ever


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: DieCommie]
    #21920999 - 07/09/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Displaying factual information on a food label is not fear mongering. Nobody knows what people are eating. This is not an unreasonable thing to demand of food labeling. People are afraid because they're being deliberately denied information that they're concerned about. That's how you create fear.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21921036 - 07/09/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I bet very few physicians have any training whatsoever about GMOs.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: badchad]
    #21921070 - 07/09/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

^ Ya. But they ought to know more than your-average-joe about the benefits and history of food labeling for public heath and medical research. Maybe those other stats are inflated somehow. Maybe not though :facepalm:.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21921178 - 07/09/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

GMOs are good for humanity. People who proselytize against them are akin to news pundits who deny climate change or evangelists who deny evolution.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: badchad]
    #21921384 - 07/09/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I bet very few physicians have any training whatsoever about GMOs.



Most Physicians don't even have training about vitamins. :shrug:


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21921528 - 07/09/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Most Physicians don't even have training about vitamins. :shrug:




And their all but guaranteed to lack training in label-comprehension studies that would examine population health effects as a result of label changes.  Really, I think the survey demonstrates physicians are just as alamarist about GMOs as the public is.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: badchad]
    #21921606 - 07/09/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think GMOs are mainly bad because of the way they are grown, they go against the cycle of nature and its harming our environment.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 2
    #21921968 - 07/09/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There's nothing to loose by putting that labeling in place but profits for those assholes.



There's nothing to gain from forcing companies to label GMOs, so why infringe on the First Amendment when there's no compelling reason to do so?


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Enlil]
    #21923505 - 07/10/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Companies are forced now to put nutrition labels on food. I don't see you whining about that. There are loads of regulations over what can be put on a label, never have you thrown a fit over first amendment rights for that. But, when it comes to frankenfood, all of a sudden its a terrible thing. You pick and choose what the public should be allowed to know and what you object to. Many people want to know these things and its the dirtbag companies and their lackeys who try to stop us.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21923517 - 07/10/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Companies are forced now to put nutrition labels on food. I don't see you whining about that.




That's because nutrition content has been shown to have positive and negative health consequences.  GMO food in general has not been shown to have negative health consequences.  Its just fear mongering.  If a particular kind of GMO food has different nutrition content then it will need to have accurate labels.  If a person of faith fears GMO in lieu of evidence they are free to patronize the products that cater to their faith, just like people with kosher and halal foods. 

What we, or I, don't want is people's faith and knee-jerk fears getting legislated without evidence.  That is a terrible road to go down.


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21923540 - 07/10/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

For things like drugs, the labels contain a description of data and clinical studies.  There is no mention of the  chemistry and/or route of synthesis.

In the case of food, whether or not its GMO is irrelevant to the data and actual safety profile.  Consider the two statements:

"In 30 day toxicology studies in rodents, an incidence of .001% stomach cancer was observed"

"In 30 day toxicology studies in rodents with, THIS GMO FOOD an incidence of .001% stomach cancer was observed".

In this case, the objective data are identical, but the inclusion of the GMO tag would needlessly alarm ill-informed consumers.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: DieCommie]
    #21923548 - 07/10/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

DC, you have not said a word justifying why people should be kept in the dark about gmo's. If they were proven to be harmful they would be banned, not just labeled. No one yet has come up with a coherent or logical reason why food should not be labeled. All I hear is the poor biotech companies might not make as much money if people had a choice so they must be forced to choose blindly.

Maybe we should extend that perhaps to all areas. Forbid candidates from declaring which party they are with since it has not been proven to be harmful to be one or the other or independent. Lets make food labels just say "100% legal content as decided by the fda" and leave it at that. No point in giving people too much info, they might make informed decisions and then monsatan would lose market share.

Badchad, perhaps 30 day studies might not be long enough? Ya think? How long did it take before we found the dangers of asbestos? Years and years.

>the inclusion of the GMO tag would needlessly alarm ill-informed consumers.

Many other ingredients are listed, why are you so protective toward gmo's? Why do you want to take away people's right to choose?


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Re: 68% of doctors thing GMO's should be labeled [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21923565 - 07/10/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i think it should be left to companies to put "non-GMO" on the label if they want to.

if it doesnt say non-gmo, assume it has GMO's. or look it up yourself :cookiemonster:


needless fear mongering.


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