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Re: White People [Re: D.M.T]
    #22040425 - 08/04/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story?language=en

white privilege in literal form

a british person explaining why she needs to constantly talk


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Re: White People [Re: Adolin]
    #22041733 - 08/04/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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he's a jew. jews aren't white.  i DARE you to approach a jew and call them out on their white privilage. they will go into a rage, no matter how rich or 'privileged' they might be.


thats like calling an asian or latin person white, just cause they have a skin tone that white people can achieve doesnt make them so.




Jewish are an ethnicity, as well as a religious group, bot not a racial organization.  Some Jews are pale (white) some are dark (black).  Asian and latin people might people white, since an Asian is just someone from the continent of Asia, and a latin person is someone from an area where the predominant language is Spanish (as far as I know that is the definition most use).

An Asian person might be severely offended if you imply that Asian is a race, because they consider themselves a different race from other Asians.  I try not to let the racism of other cultures interfere with my own :sadyes:

There is no pure Jewish race.  That is complete horseshit if that is what you're implying, and I don't care if there are those that say there is.  Fuck them.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22041882 - 08/04/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Could you post a link to the HuffPost article you're using to back up your opinion of "Fuck them"?


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Re: White People [Re: Srirachi]
    #22041926 - 08/04/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I stand by my statement. Trading your life for your children's future is heroic. Having an Indomitable Spirit is heroic. Dying on your feet instead of your knees is heroic.

Who are the black heroes today? What have they done?

Nothing compared to Crispus Attucks. His death started the American Revolution - and I think it bears mention that the British severely underestimated the worth of a mulatto in the eyes of the early American settlers. They assumed they could shoot him and it would be no big deal. Wrong, started a world war. Yes, I know it was the Revolutionary War. The Revolutionary War was a world war.

Nothing compared to Frederick Douglass. He taught himself to read, write, and was a better lawyer than Enlil because he actually won a case. The one for his freedom. He went on to sway the hearts and minds of tens of thousands with his skillful oration... and had never heard of affirmative action.

Nothing compared to the Selma marchers, or Dr. ML King Jr., or Colin Powell or God help me I'm gonna say it, Barack Obama. I don't like the President at all, not one bit - but it is undeniable that the man was able to believe that he could succeed in spite of his skin color.

I'm not saying differences don't exist. I'm saying the past can't be changed and the way to fix the future is to stop seeing race as any more important than eye color or dick length. We can't make one more step of progress until white people stop talking about black people as if they can't do what every other culture in human history has done, and overcome the obstacles they face.




I'm not saying youre wrong, I'm saying let's not pretend we don't romanticize (specifically American) history. And let's not pretend the US government, from the White House to Congress all the way down to local police forces, have been instrumental in infiltrating, dismantling, and discrediting, any and all black "movements."

You're right, there's no black heroes, there's no white or asian ones either. All of our leaders get turned into villains or outright killed.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22042104 - 08/04/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Gresh said:
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he's a jew. jews aren't white.  i DARE you to approach a jew and call them out on their white privilage. they will go into a rage, no matter how rich or 'privileged' they might be.


thats like calling an asian or latin person white, just cause they have a skin tone that white people can achieve doesnt make them so.




Jewish are an ethnicity, as well as a religious group, bot not a racial organization.  Some Jews are pale (white) some are dark (black).  Asian and latin people might people white, since an Asian is just someone from the continent of Asia, and a latin person is someone from an area where the predominant language is Spanish (as far as I know that is the definition most use).

An Asian person might be severely offended if you imply that Asian is a race, because they consider themselves a different race from other Asians.  I try not to let the racism of other cultures interfere with my own :sadyes:

There is no pure Jewish race.  That is complete horseshit if that is what you're implying, and I don't care if there are those that say there is.  Fuck them.




"There is no pure Jewish race...Fuck them."

Nice, talk about bigotry.


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Re: White People [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22042168 - 08/04/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's the problem with people today in my opinion - they think a person has to be perfect all the time in order for their actions to be valid. Meanwhile, they're calling in sick when they aren't, paying the sitter cash because she charges less if she doesn't have to report it, and fucking their sister in law... and saying that this person or that person shouldn't be considered a hero because they {whatever the person thinks is wrong that they AREN'T doing right now}.

What I'm saying is where are the Martin Luther Kings of today? So much progress was made by the civil rights leaders of the 60s. That impetus has been crippled today by black entertainers and "leaders'. Al Sharpton et al are no better than, and in fact exactly the same as, the black slave traders who sold their brothers to the white slave ships for fast easy money.

A white guy who say "fucking nigger" to a guy who cuts in front of him in line at Walmart isn't really doing anything but showing his ignorance. It isn't oppressing anyone. What the black community leaders are doing is the problem, not racism.


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Re: White People [Re: Srirachi] * 1
    #22042192 - 08/04/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That's the problem with people today in my opinion - they think a person has to be perfect all the time in order for their actions to be valid. Meanwhile, they're calling in sick when they aren't, paying the sitter cash because she charges less if she doesn't have to report it, and fucking their sister in law... and saying that this person or that person shouldn't be considered a hero because they {whatever the person thinks is wrong that they AREN'T doing right now}.

What I'm saying is where are the Martin Luther Kings of today? So much progress was made by the civil rights leaders of the 60s. That impetus has been crippled today by black entertainers and "leaders'. Al Sharpton et al are no better than, and in fact exactly the same as, the black slave traders who sold their brothers to the white slave ships for fast easy money.

A white guy who say "fucking nigger" to a guy who cuts in front of him in line at Walmart isn't really doing anything but showing his ignorance. It isn't oppressing anyone. What the black community leaders are doing is the problem, not racism.




Do you think it's a coincidence that the end goal of the US government's actions against the civil rights movement was achieved?

I don't even think its so much about race for these people, it's about keeping the populace divided against itself.


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Re: White People [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22042321 - 08/04/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Could you post a link to the HuffPost article you're using to back up your opinion of "Fuck them"?




Yeah, I'll do that as soon as you back up your opinion that affirmative action exists today in a manner that gives an unfair advantage to non-whites.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22042432 - 08/04/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: White People [Re: Srirachi]
    #22042574 - 08/04/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's hard to argue with someone who isn't racist, but uses the exact same rhetoric without any regard for the standards of credibility they place on others.  You're a transparent troll and I can tell you're not going to take anything I say seriously.  Your whole argument has boiled down to making vague personal attacks regarding my credibility and motives rather than addressing the actual substance of the debate, so I feel like I must be done here :thatsinteresting:


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22042594 - 08/04/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It totally doesn't sound like you're beat.


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Re: White People [Re: Srirachi]
    #22042601 - 08/04/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It totally does sound like you're a racist.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22042638 - 08/04/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You would, since I want people to be treated equally instead of per their skin color.

There's no reason to defend myself against your baseless accusations. You can't cope with my being able to back up my points, so you summarily declare all my words "the ones racists use" and bow out.

I get that a lot, because I know what I'm talking about.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22042644 - 08/04/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's hard to argue with someone who isn't racist, but uses the exact same rhetoric without any regard for the standards of credibility they place on others.  You're a transparent troll and I can tell you're not going to take anything I say seriously.  Your whole argument has boiled down to making vague personal attacks regarding my credibility and motives rather than addressing the actual substance of the debate, so I feel like I must be done here :thatsinteresting:



Really? Looks like all he did was answer your question to me.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy] * 2
    #22042714 - 08/04/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Srirachi said:
Could you post a link to the HuffPost article you're using to back up your opinion of "Fuck them"?




Yeah, I'll do that as soon as you back up your opinion that affirmative action exists today in a manner that gives an unfair advantage to non-whites.



Is this a joke post?  They lower the requirements for Negroes and increase them for asians.


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Re: White People [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22042850 - 08/04/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The fact that he posted a wikipedia article where the was in small part discussion about if affirmative action played a role in this guys hiring, but no clear proof either way, and discussion that this was an issue that is siezed upon by racists as proof of affirmative action and it's supposed fatal flaw: that there is actually an inherent problem with black people that keeps them from being fairly represented in American culture.

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"[F]olks who delight in attacking anything black, or anything designed to help blacks, have pounced on the Blair story as evidence that there is something inherently wrong with The Times's effort to diversify its newsroom, and beyond that, with the very idea of a commitment to diversity or affirmative action anywhere. And while these agitators won't admit it, the nasty subtext to their attack is that there is something inherently wrong with blacks."[16]




I think you guys kinda prove my points for me.  You're willing to make racist statements as if they are things that you take seriously, then just fall back on this whole fantasy that the world is a meritocracy and all people are already treated as equals, because that is what you think.  I try to be patient because I think some people just haven't put enough thought into thier words and say things the don't mean, but with you guys it's clear you're not just defensive you've got a grudge with anyone who is in favor of continued social progress because racist asshole is part of your culture :sadyes: I can't argue with that but I don't have to like you.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22042909 - 08/04/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

People aren't treated as equals. Repealing affirmative action would help equality though.


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Re: White People [Re: D.M.T]
    #22042920 - 08/04/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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People aren't treated as equals. Repealing affirmative action would help though.



It would help remove one of the last vestiges of institutionalized racism.


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Re: White People [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22043084 - 08/04/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

White people had slaves
Now all the things Black's do are our fault, obviously. Like the unbelievable murder rate. I'm sorry for making you kill, black people


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Re: White People [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #22043492 - 08/04/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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White people had slaves
Now all the things Black's do are our fault, obviously. Like the unbelievable murder rate. I'm sorry for making you kill, black people



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MTV will air a show later this month entitled White People which shows young white Americans crying on camera over their “white privilege” and publicly shaming them for “what they’ve done in America”.


http://www.infowars.com/new-mtv-show-publicly-shames-white-people-for-what-theyve-done-in-america/







I'm not even going to watch this. 1) Because I believe MTV is ridiculous and 2) Because I don't need to hear more American white people showcasing their remarkable ability for narcissism and fragility anymore than I already have. Considering I've spent 31 years as a black woman in the United States and have had to deal with the snide commentary, macro-aggressions, and assumptions all while smiling and nodding because, heaven forbid you hurt some poor European descendants' feelings, means I'm thoroughly disinclined to subject myself to even more.

Nothing beats the former friend whining about Affirmative Action hiring (when it benefits white women more than anyone else. He likes fucking them so I would think he'd find their happiness and opportunities for prosperity fortuitous. A happy woman is an on her back woman savvy?)due to our IT department having a plethora of South East Asian techs. I asked if he had a computer science degree (you know, like all of us do in order to be hired as programmers, enterprise architects, etc) and he got a blank look on his face.

So no. Not interested. I can go to Reddit or read the "social" forums here if I really want to see what my fellow citizens think.

Honestly, I wouldn't be so salty if I didn't have to read how I'm a "nigger", or a "ghetto gagger", or a "welfare queen" in every mainstream platform I visit. But it's whatever. This "documentary" isn't going to do shit. The only peace I'll find is in 'shrooms and death. Preferably in that order.

Because I imagine attempting to swallow the 'shrooms after death might be difficult.

Actually you know what...maybe they can inject it between my toes. I saw that in a movie once.

*Note to self - Update will.


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