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Re: White People [Re: Asante]
#22028606 - 08/01/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: 6 milliopn Jews killed? Europe has us beat hands down.
How many native americans were genocided and how many slaves lived their livesv in forced labor captivity?
I think more than 6 million.
the vast majority of native americans, over 80%(some say 95%+, the actual population of native americans before we arrived is disputed) were killed from diseases brought from europe in the 1500s, and this was BEFORE germ theory was even proposed, let alone accepted. and BEFORE mass colonization even began in the 1600s
yes, we technically killed millions of native americans with disease. it wasn't intentional at the time.
we did kill lots of indians up until like 1870, but 6 million? no. there werent that many left to kill
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Re: White People [Re: Asante]
#22028610 - 08/01/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: 6 milliopn Jews killed? Europe has us beat hands down.
How many native americans were genocided and how many slaves lived their livesv in forced labor captivity?
I think more than 6 million.
Almost all of the Indians were killed by disease they had no immunity to.
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Centuries of slavery then?
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Re: White People [Re: Asante]
#22028623 - 08/01/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Please tell me all about the cultures that have no history of slavery. Do you know who did a lot of the trafficing in international slavery? The Dutch. Piss off with you sanctimonious bullshit.
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You said Europe was the worst with the holocaust, so I debated that.
The Dutch have a horrible past, you don't know the half of it and I'm not trying to mitigate that, its just our nations all have blood on their hands.
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Re: White People [Re: Asante]
#22028641 - 08/01/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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But when it comes to America there isn't as much blood as smallpox, or the Dutch.
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Re: White People [Re: D.M.T]
#22028644 - 08/01/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Forced relocation =/= "unintentional disease"
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Stonehenge said: You are racist, asante. You constantly take the side of negroes no matter what the facts are. You make all those absurd claims of white privilege with nothing to back them up. You insist blacks are victims of racism when its their own fault. You are white as a ghost but say you identify with black. Say hello to Rachel for us.
To you, anyone who isn't a white supremacist is racist against whites. Why don't you just stay over at Stormfront and leave us alone.
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Re: White People [Re: koods]
#22028668 - 08/01/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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IMO that comment from Stonehenge should be grounds for a ban
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Re: White People [Re: koods]
#22028685 - 08/01/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity, how many of the people complaining about white racism in this thread are non-white?
I'm guessing zero, because the last thing in the world a man wants is pity from people who are wrong about him anyway.
I bet that's even more infuriating than being denied housing... being told "you'll be able to excel as a race just as soon as we get you some white peoples' help".
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Naww it is racism scented but sticks in the realm of personal insult and slanted opinion.
But ironically, yeah, Stormfront would ban for it cause he rags on a staffer
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Re: White People [Re: Asante]
#22028691 - 08/01/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: You said Europe was the worst with the holocaust, so I debated that.
The Dutch have a horrible past, you don't know the half of it and I'm not trying to mitigate that, its just our nations all have blood on their hands.
Every nation has blood on its hands. They are ALL the result of conquest but almost all the Indians were killed by disease. Not deliberate murder.
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Re: White People [Re: Srirachi]
#22028693 - 08/01/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everyone in this thread is white.
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Asante said: You said Europe was the worst with the holocaust, so I debated that.
The Dutch have a horrible past, you don't know the half of it and I'm not trying to mitigate that, its just our nations all have blood on their hands.
Every nation has blood on its hands. They are ALL the result of conquest but almost all the Indians were killed by disease. Not deliberate murder.
The greater the nation, the greater the number of assholes within their borders, its simple math 
I do recall having read about smallpox blankets being deliberately given to native Americans. Their benefactors werent stupid, even before germ theory it was folk knowledge that smallpox was highly contagious.
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Re: White People [Re: Adolin]
#22028706 - 08/01/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gresh said:
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Asante said: How many native americans were genocided and how many slaves lived their livesv in forced labor captivity?
I think more than 6 million.
the vast majority of native americans, over 80%(some say 95%+, the actual population of native americans before we arrived is disputed) were killed from diseases brought from europe in the 1500s, and this was BEFORE germ theory was even proposed, let alone accepted. and BEFORE mass colonization even began in the 1600s
yes, we technically killed millions of native americans with disease. it wasn't intentional at the time.
we did kill lots of indians up until like 1870, but 6 million? no. there werent that many left to kill
Though it is controversial, there is some evidence that the British did intentionally inoculate American Indians with smallpox
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Bouquet agreed, writing back to Amherst on July 13, 1763: "I will try to inocculate the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself."[2] Amherst responded favorably on July 16, 1763: "You will Do well to try to inoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execreble Race."[3]
As it turned out, however, officers at the besieged Fort Pitt had already exposed the Indians in just the manner Amherst and Bouquet were discussing. During a parley at Fort Pitt on June 24, 1763, Captain Simeon Ecuyer gave representatives of the besieging Delawares two blankets and a handkerchief from the smallpox ward "out of regard to them" after the Delawares pledged to renew their friendship.[4] While the exact meaning of his phrase was unclear, a later invoice appears to clearly establish the purpose was transmittal of smallpox.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Pitt#Biological_warfare
Though it goes on to speculate this would be an innefective means of genocide considering they were likely already exposed, but it seems the will to commit genocide was there, so it is very hard to overlook the treatment of the American Indians by those that colonized them.
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Re: White People [Re: D.M.T]
#22028710 - 08/01/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I self-identify as an Arby's potato cake, and only a fucking monster would deny me the right to wear that label, so I'm actually golden brown.
You can be anything you self identify as, as long as you don't self-identify as Black and run an NAACP chapter - this, because white people aren't supposed to say "Colored". It's okay for the NAACP to say it because it's heritage, not racism, totally unlike the Confederate Battle Flag, which IS racist.
Makes PERFECT sense.
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Re: White People [Re: Srirachi]
#22028717 - 08/01/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doesnt it annoy you you misspelled Sriracha?
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Re: White People [Re: Asante] 1
#22028720 - 08/01/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: The greater the nation, the greater the number of assholes within their borders, its simple math 
So you're admitting the US is greater than the Netherlands?
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Re: White People [Re: Asante]
#22028731 - 08/01/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: You said Europe was the worst with the holocaust, so I debated that.
The Dutch have a horrible past, you don't know the half of it and I'm not trying to mitigate that, its just our nations all have blood on their hands.
Every nation has blood on its hands. They are ALL the result of conquest but almost all the Indians were killed by disease. Not deliberate murder.
The greater the nation, the greater the number of assholes within their borders, its simple math 
I do recall having read about smallpox blankets being deliberately given to native Americans. Their benefactors werent stupid, even before germ theory it was folk knowledge that smallpox was highly contagious.
They were wiped out before that alleged (not even sure it really did) incident ever happened. Afghanistan is a shithole. They are pretty much all assholes. Mexico is a shithole. There is a much higher concentration of asshole there than here. You just have a knee jerk reaction to assume that success is only due to being an asshole. This is a commom fallacy. Make excuses for failure and try to cloak the losers in some kind of nobility shroud of oppression. No. They suck because they suck.
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Re: White People [Re: Asante]
#22028735 - 08/01/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doesn't it annoy you that I'm better at geography than you?
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