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Re: White People [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22026855 - 08/01/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Some of that is told on the tour - There were a lot of Jews shipped to Auchwitz II to be killed, but of the prisoners there, only 1,000 were Jews not of Polish extraction and about 600 of them survived.
http://auschwitz.org/en/history/the-number-of-victims/

I'm still trying to find the specifics on the Resistance but here is a good site with firsthand accounts:
http://www.polishresistance-ak.org/Essays.htm


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Re: White People [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22026856 - 08/01/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Most people don't realize that Auschwitz I only killed about 400 Jews the entire war and the rest were Polish political prisoners. The Nazis hated the Polish resistance so much they would hang a list of prominent local citizens in the town square and any time a Nazi got killed by the resistance, they'd kill the top 2 or 3 names on the list. The Poles on the list reacted by standing on the wall where they shot them, to let the Resistance know they were cool with it if they wanted to cap a Nazi.




I'm pretty well versed in WWII stuff (I find it interesting) but I've never heard of this. Have a link documenting it? Tried a couple quick Google searches but didn't really find anything. Would be interested in reading more into it.




:rolleyes: 400?  Nearly a million?  Same difference.  90% of people killed were alleged to be Jewish, and it was supposedly where around 1/6 of Jews killed in the Holocaust were killed.

"The 1.1 million victims included 960,000 Jews, between 70,000 and 75,000 Poles, nearly all of the 23,000 Gypsies sent to the camp and 15,000 Soviet prisoners of war."  http://rense.com/general62/aauc.htm

I don't understand the phrasing though.  Is this Auchwitz I like the first one of many, or are you admitting you killed about 400 Jews Sri?


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22026876 - 08/01/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think he just means Aushwitz 1 - "There were three main camps: Auschwitz I, the original concentration camp. It served as the office of the entire Auschwitz complex. In this camp, Nazi Germany killed about 70,000 people, mostly Polish people and Prisoners of War from the Soviet Union.." Quick google says at least.


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Re: White People [Re: twighead]
    #22026882 - 08/01/15 02:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I figured, I just thought it was funny he said 'I only killed around 400 Jews the entire war'.

I don't understand though, why that is significant even if it is true that they had the camps segregated a certain way.  It seems he is trying to downplay the crimes against Jewish people in order to highlight those against the Polish.


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Re: White People [Re: twighead] * 1
    #22026912 - 08/01/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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More amusing is all the apologists who believe that collectively - by sharing certain genetic traits we should all be sorry about shit that had nothing to do with us at all. If you believe in any end of that equation - you are the problem. Which is ironic given your status :lol:




You seem to think that culpability for white supremacy is tied in with lineage. In fact, this is not the case. All people who are white benefit from white privilege, whether or not they or their ancestry are consciously responsible for white supremacy. The choice to ignore this fact is tantamount to culpability.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22026917 - 08/01/15 02:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not at all trying to downplay what happened to them. I'm merely pointing out that the Poles were forced to work, starved, and tortured. Nothing as fast as an oven or a gas chamber for them... but most people have no idea about that unless they're history buffs.

By the same token most don't know that Mussolini was worse than Hitler.

Here's what Wikipedia says about the Nazis killing civilians - it has a slightly different version, saying they rounded up people at random and killed 100 for each German killed. Maybe this was a response designed to counter the willingness of the business leaders to die.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1939%E2%80%9345)#Armed_resistance_and_the_Underground_State


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Re: White People [Re: Srirachi] * 2
    #22026927 - 08/01/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It seems like you're trying to make this thread about niche aspects of WWII, I don't really understand how any of this is relevant to the video.


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Re: White People [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 4
    #22026943 - 08/01/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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twighead said:
More amusing is all the apologists who believe that collectively - by sharing certain genetic traits we should all be sorry about shit that had nothing to do with us at all. If you believe in any end of that equation - you are the problem. Which is ironic given your status :lol:




You seem to think that culpability for white supremacy is tied in with lineage. In fact, this is not the case. All people who are white benefit from white privilege, whether or not they or their ancestry are consciously responsible for white supremacy. The choice to ignore this fact is tantamount to culpability.



:lolsy: 'white privilege' only exists because of individuals that choose to treat people differently based on their skin color, guess what? Black privilege exists too because black people treat each other generally more kindly and with a higher degree favoritism than white people as well. But it turns out the racist white people are much more influential in this country than the black ones. I am free to not feel guilty about the  way individuals treat each other - I treat them all the same, I am not the cause of the problem, and I am against others that are. Like you for instance, telling me I should feel guilty for others behavior :lol: get fucked please. Apologists are some of the most despicable human slime. By bowing down to the victims you only perpetuate the cycle of dis-empowerment and scapegoating. Of course you must feel like some sort of victim yourself and so feel camaraderie and think others should bow down and apologize to you for some great collective crime :rofl:


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Re: White People [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #22026951 - 08/01/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
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twighead said:
More amusing is all the apologists who believe that collectively - by sharing certain genetic traits we should all be sorry about shit that had nothing to do with us at all. If you believe in any end of that equation - you are the problem. Which is ironic given your status :lol:




You seem to think that culpability for white supremacy is tied in with lineage. In fact, this is not the case. All people who are white benefit from white privilege, whether or not they or their ancestry are consciously responsible for white supremacy. The choice to ignore this fact is tantamount to culpability.



The more you post about these subjects the more I become convinced you're racist against white people. Don't feel bad, you're not the only one. Having white skin doesn't mean you aren't racist against white people though. You consistently side against white people and go on multiple paragraph rants about how everything is the white person's fault and how they are in the wrong, even when they aren't.

Gang of white people beat up one black person, you'd be all over it, calling them racists and talking about how disgusting it is. Gang of black people beat up one white guy, and somehow it's still the white guy's fault. You want to be an apologist and pretend everything is whitey's fault, go ahead. But you are a racist when you do so.


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Re: White People [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22026960 - 08/01/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They not only speak for the best interests of white people BS, they also know what you are saying even though you might not know you are saying it.  You're the racist, because you hate white people :sadyes: you said it not them.


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Re: White People [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22027020 - 08/01/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
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BlindSophist said:
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twighead said:
More amusing is all the apologists who believe that collectively - by sharing certain genetic traits we should all be sorry about shit that had nothing to do with us at all. If you believe in any end of that equation - you are the problem. Which is ironic given your status :lol:




You seem to think that culpability for white supremacy is tied in with lineage. In fact, this is not the case. All people who are white benefit from white privilege, whether or not they or their ancestry are consciously responsible for white supremacy. The choice to ignore this fact is tantamount to culpability.



The more you post about these subjects the more I become convinced you're racist against white people. Don't feel bad, you're not the only one. Having white skin doesn't mean you aren't racist against white people though. You consistently side against white people and go on multiple paragraph rants about how everything is the white person's fault and how they are in the wrong, even when they aren't.

Gang of white people beat up one black person, you'd be all over it, calling them racists and talking about how disgusting it is. Gang of black people beat up one white guy, and somehow it's still the white guy's fault. You want to be an apologist and pretend everything is whitey's fault, go ahead. But you are a racist when you do so.





*facepalm* Well somebody has to stand up against the widespread bashing of black people here by racist whites. And when someone does protest this general trend to take a dump on black people, pow! they are branded racist against white people.


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Re: White People [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22027069 - 08/01/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
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twighead said:
More amusing is all the apologists who believe that collectively - by sharing certain genetic traits we should all be sorry about shit that had nothing to do with us at all. If you believe in any end of that equation - you are the problem. Which is ironic given your status :lol:




You seem to think that culpability for white supremacy is tied in with lineage. In fact, this is not the case. All people who are white benefit from white privilege, whether or not they or their ancestry are consciously responsible for white supremacy. The choice to ignore this fact is tantamount to culpability.




:lmafo:

You spew some moronic shit.


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Re: White People [Re: twighead]
    #22027072 - 08/01/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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twighead said:
'white privilege' only exists because of individuals that choose to treat people differently based on their skin color, guess what? Black privilege exists too because black people treat each other generally more kindly and with a higher degree favoritism than white people as well. But it turns out the racist white people are much more influential in this country than the black ones. I am free to not feel guilty about the  way individuals treat each other - I treat them all the same, I am not the cause of the problem, and I am against others that are. Like you for instance, telling me I should feel guilty for others behavior :lol: get fucked please. Apologists are some of the most despicable human slime. By bowing down to the victims you only perpetuate the cycle of dis-empowerment and scapegoating. Of course you must feel like some sort of victim yourself and so feel camaraderie and think others should bow down and apologize to you for some great collective crime




:congrats:


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Re: White People [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22027074 - 08/01/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
The more you post about these subjects the more I become convinced you're racist against white people. Don't feel bad, you're not the only one. Having white skin doesn't mean you aren't racist against white people though. You consistently side against white people and go on multiple paragraph rants about how everything is the white person's fault and how they are in the wrong, even when they aren't.

Gang of white people beat up one black person, you'd be all over it, calling them racists and talking about how disgusting it is. Gang of black people beat up one white guy, and somehow it's still the white guy's fault. You want to be an apologist and pretend everything is whitey's fault, go ahead. But you are a racist when you do so.




:congrats:


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Re: White People [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22027080 - 08/01/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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*facepalm* Well somebody has to stand up against the widespread bashing of black people here by racist whites. And when someone does protest this general trend to take a dump on black people, pow! they are branded racist against white people.




So sayeth the racist.

Perhaps someday you'll demonstrate to us how it is that those that think all should be treated equally are racist, while those who advocate for treating certain ethnicities differently... are not.


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Re: White People [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22027090 - 08/01/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:blah:


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Re: White People [Re: twighead]
    #22027104 - 08/01/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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twighead said:
More amusing is all the apologists who believe that collectively - by sharing certain genetic traits we should all be sorry about shit that had nothing to do with us at all. If you believe in any end of that equation - you are the problem. Which is ironic given your status :lol:




Its not amusing though.  Its divisive, hateful and destructive.


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Re: White People [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #22027106 - 08/01/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You seem to think that culpability for white supremacy is tied in with lineage. In fact, this is not the case. All people who are white benefit from white privilege, whether or not they or their ancestry are consciously responsible for white supremacy. The choice to ignore this fact is tantamount to culpability.




Its not a fact.  Its your racist prejudice.  I never got any white privilege.  Never.  You don't know anything about my life and are in no position to claim otherwise.


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Re: White People [Re: Asante] * 3
    #22027111 - 08/01/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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*facepalm* Well somebody has to stand up against the widespread bashing of black people here by racist whites. And when someone does protest this general trend to take a dump on black people, pow! they are branded racist against white people.




Thats because you are racist against whites.  Your hate is well known and you have been spewing it for years.  You don't stand up for anyone by blaming people for their skin color.  You just sink to their level.  You are disgusting and part of the problem.  You don't think critically and you don't consider each situation individually.  You just blame whitey each and every time for absolutely everything.  Its knee jerk and racist.


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Re: White People [Re: twighead]
    #22027157 - 08/01/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

thank you, twighead. i could not have said it better myself.

"guilty of being white" "i'm convicted, of a racist crime that happened 200 years before my time"

ok those lyrics might not be verbatim, and this song was written a while ago (maybe 25 years ago?) but it's still valid.



i don't care how you phrase it, i will not apologize for something that someone elses ancestors did. me and mine had nothing to do with it. if i could erase it from history and make it so it never happened, i would. but i do not apologize for who/what i am.


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