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zappaisgod said: You do know that the etymology of ghetto has nothing to do with Negroes, right? I believe it was originally applied to poor Jewish communities in Europe.
Yep. According to Wiki- "A ghetto is a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure.[1] The term was originally used in Venice to describe the part of the city to which Jews were restricted and segregated."
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The biggest expose in that video was how ignorant twentysomethings are and how much our educational system has, in the interests of unions and political correctness and just liberal bullshit, failed to provide an education in facts.
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zappaisgod said: You do know that the etymology of ghetto has nothing to do with Negroes, right? I believe it was originally applied to poor Jewish communities in Europe.
Yep. According to Wiki- "A ghetto is a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure.[1] The term was originally used in Venice to describe the part of the city to which Jews were restricted and segregated."
I am stunningly well educated, aren't I?
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You have your moments. Like when we agree on stuff
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moonrockmushy said: Thanks for not wasting my time coming up with bullshit statistics that you admit don't prove anything anyway I have no idea what you're trying to say but I am fully aware that all human diversity was all shaped by the same processes of genetic mutation and natural selection over time, but I fail to see how this validates the idea that there is a clear divide between black and white people outside the context of racism.
I watched an interesting program on the Discovery channel recently about how many of the differences between the races could very well to a large part have to do with other hominids that Homo Sapiens and our ancestors cross bred with, and not as much to do with genetic mutation as was once thought.
Yeah the discovery channel is known not to engage in overly speculative pseudoscience so I put alot of stock in that.
The way I understand it the core material for all our shared genetic material comes out of a few different groups of what scientests generally agree are early homo sapiens. Beyond studying genetic markers and comparing it to the fossil record we don't really know the first thing about these people.
What seems clear is that people evolved pale skin as they moved into climates that received less direct sunlight. Even that is speculation, but as I understand it that is the best explanation for pale skin we have, and there is evidence to support that. To try and say that evolving this trait also imbued these humans with other abilities that set them apart from other humans is so dogmatic that I don't understand why people still cling to the notion that this is the significant trait that determines more than any other single trait.
It is happenstance, tribalism, as well as the fact that our skin covers so much of our bodies and we are visual creatures, that created the situation white people are in today, and unless you feel in your heart it is ok to exploit other cultures as long as it serves the group you feel you are a part of, I don't see how anyone could feel it is ok to perpetuate the same stereotypes just because it is part of your culture.
The idea that white people achieved things that other races did not with no help from anyone is a lie. The history of white imperialism is built on the backs of a diverse group of people who are all equally capable of good and evil, but happened to be born into a time and place where they are told they are not.
People seem to think that if other cultures were as good as white culture, they would more closely resemble white culture, which is one of those ideas that swirls around in people's heads making them wonder why minorities don't just get it and fall into line, but to me that is wrong. I believe that all cultures have something to bring to the table, and as long as people act like skin color or nationality is more significant than core values and beliefs, racism will continue to thrive. People do think like this, and no not only white people, but many get the impression that some whites have put themselves in a bubble and the attitude they have is they'll let you in if you act like a white person.
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Caucasians evolved (in a much different environment) almost 40,000 years in somewhat isolation from blacks, general commonsense tell us that skin color is only one of many different traits that developed between the two races.
Sorry that this fact bothers you Moon, but it's basic biology.
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moonrockmushy said: Thanks for not wasting my time coming up with bullshit statistics that you admit don't prove anything anyway I have no idea what you're trying to say but I am fully aware that all human diversity was all shaped by the same processes of genetic mutation and natural selection over time, but I fail to see how this validates the idea that there is a clear divide between black and white people outside the context of racism.
I watched an interesting program on the Discovery channel recently about how many of the differences between the races could very well to a large part have to do with other hominids that Homo Sapiens and our ancestors cross bred with, and not as much to do with genetic mutation as was once thought.
Yeah the discovery channel is known not to engage in overly speculative pseudoscience so I put alot of stock in that.
The way I understand it the core material for all our shared genetic material comes out of a few different groups of what scientests generally agree are early homo sapiens. Beyond studying genetic markers and comparing it to the fossil record we don't really know the first thing about these people.
What seems clear is that people evolved pale skin as they moved into climates that received less direct sunlight. Even that is speculation, but as I understand it that is the best explanation for pale skin we have, and there is evidence to support that. To try and say that evolving this trait also imbued these humans with other abilities that set them apart from other humans is so dogmatic that I don't understand why people still cling to the notion that this is the significant trait that determines more than any other single trait.
It is happenstance, tribalism, as well as the fact that our skin covers so much of our bodies and we are visual creatures, that created the situation white people are in today, and unless you feel in your heart it is ok to exploit other cultures as long as it serves the group you feel you are a part of, I don't see how anyone could feel it is ok to perpetuate the same stereotypes just because it is part of your culture.
The idea that white people achieved things that other races did not with no help from anyone is a lie. The history of white imperialism is built on the backs of a diverse group of people who are all equally capable of good and evil, but happened to be born into a time and place where they are told they are not.
People seem to think that if other cultures were as good as white culture, they would more closely resemble white culture, which is one of those ideas that swirls around in people's heads making them wonder why minorities don't just get it and fall into line, but to me that is wrong. I believe that all cultures have something to bring to the table, and as long as people act like skin color or nationality is more significant than core values and beliefs, racism will continue to thrive. People do think like this, and no not only white people, but many get the impression that some whites have put themselves in a bubble and the attitude they have is they'll let you in if you act like a white person.
"I believe that all cultures have something to bring to the table"
Some MUCH MORE than others.
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The Vice-President is a racist. How can we get along when the Democrats and their racist candidates keep winning the election? Obama inflames racial tensions to cover the fact that he has no idea what he's doing, and Joe Biden goes around saying "Well will you look at that? He's half-black and apparently it isn't the half that does reading and writing and speaking!"
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Re: White People [Re: Srirachi]
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don't look at me I vote green.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Antonio_Vargas
The host of the stupid documentary is an ILLEGAL immigrant.
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White denial: a bottomless well of morbid comedy.
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More amusing is all the apologists who believe that collectively - by sharing certain genetic traits we should all be sorry about shit that had nothing to do with us at all. If you believe in any end of that equation - you are the problem. Which is ironic given your status
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People have an easy time accepting that it is unfair to paint all white people as racists, yet when I point out that some people here at the shroomery will use cherry-picked anecdotes and poorly represented statistics to try and prove that all black people are prone to criminality, suddenly I am being overly argumentative, too sensitive, and in denial of reality. I just can't win with "you people"
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Of course not all black people are out robbing. Some are athletes, and many are in jail.
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When are the Irish to be compensated for their little-heard-of slavery by English scum?
You never hear of that on MTV or spoken of by Michelle Obama.
Look it up.
Horrible shit.
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Yeah, all races get shit on sometimes. I'm Polish, and we got fucked in America. We got fucked in WWII too but you never hear about that.
Most people don't realize that Auschwitz I only killed about 400 Jews the entire war and the rest were Polish political prisoners. The Nazis hated the Polish resistance so much they would hang a list of prominent local citizens in the town square and any time a Nazi got killed by the resistance, they'd kill the top 2 or 3 names on the list. The Poles on the list reacted by standing on the wall where they shot them, to let the Resistance know they were cool with it if they wanted to cap a Nazi.
Eventually, in 1944 Hitler ordered Warsaw to be leveled and up to 200,000 Poles were slaughtered in the Wola massacre alone. After the war, the Poles rebuilt Warsaw, not as new buildings, but to look exactly as it had before.
Lech Walesa more or less singlehandedly brought down the Soviet Union by showing the Eastern European world that the Soviets could not even silence a single man if he was willing to sacrifice everything and refuse to be silenced.
They've been pretty horribly oppressed, and like the Jews, they don't get mad, they get tougher than their enemy and vow to endure more pain than the enemy can deal and die on the enemy's spear if need be until the enemy is crushed under the weight of the dead.
Of course, Poles never had a bunch of people running around telling them they were victims and needed affirmative action to get ahead, so it's understandable that we've thrived.
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Re: White People [Re: Srirachi]
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Srirachi said: Most people don't realize that Auschwitz I only killed about 400 Jews the entire war and the rest were Polish political prisoners. The Nazis hated the Polish resistance so much they would hang a list of prominent local citizens in the town square and any time a Nazi got killed by the resistance, they'd kill the top 2 or 3 names on the list. The Poles on the list reacted by standing on the wall where they shot them, to let the Resistance know they were cool with it if they wanted to cap a Nazi.
I'm pretty well versed in WWII stuff (I find it interesting) but I've never heard of this. Have a link documenting it? Tried a couple quick Google searches but didn't really find anything. Would be interested in reading more into it.
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Re: White People [Re: Srirachi]
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Definitely all true afaik - The German's assumed a combination of reasons why the allies wouldn't go to war to save Poland in WWII - undoubtedly one of which was assuming the west didn't give a fuck about them... Well.... they gave a fuck about the strategic important at the least
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