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Re: White People [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22024790 - 07/31/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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People are not inherently equal.  Some people are idots and some are geniuses.  Some people are physically gifted and some are Klutzes.  Some people are physically gifted geniuses and some people are idiotic Klutzes  We aint all equal.  The phrase in the Constitution only applies to the law, not that people are actually equal.




We're not all equal, but not because of skin color, all people are inherently capable of being an idiot, but the point of all of this is that it doesn't have anything to do with skin color. People aren't born equal, but people of all colors can be just as capable of doing something that someone of a different color did, even if all of them can't, there will be undoubtedly some that can.




I didn't say anything about race




I'm sorry I meant to add in, I was just elaborating on the part you were addressing about moonrocks point. Didn't mean to imply you were talking about race.


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Re: White People [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22024798 - 07/31/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

In America there is a lot of mixing.  In Africa not so much.  he Negro genome imparts a significant resistance to malaria tha Caucasions and Asians do not have.  I do not know if interbreeding will weaken that or spread it


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Re: White People [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22024845 - 07/31/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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We're not all equal, but not because of skin color, all people are inherently capable of being an idiot, but the point of all of this is that it doesn't have anything to do with skin color. People aren't born equal, but people of all colors can be just as capable of doing something that someone of a different color did, even if all of them can't, there will be undoubtedly some that can.




not entirely true actually, genetically whites and blacks and other colors and shades differ, one prime example of this the penis right.  So if anatomy can be different on average, then whos to say it doesn't also affect other things like the brain?  Both in good and bad ways, along with athletism, attitude,aggression, and other things.

then with interbreeding, all these things get mixed together and you have a bunch of different variations of this which confusions these observations.  Its not much of a stretch to say hundreds of years ago, before all the mix breeding, that we were infact very different, and not just because of the level of education each culture had.  this doesn't have to be thought of as negative in any way, i view it as having adapted to the surroundings.  Some places on earth were far more harsh and violent and so there was no need for things, and other places easy living making them weaker or whatever, u get my point.

anyways, just saying, genetics, just because we are human doesn't mean we are the same.  there are mutations genetic lines, so many lines of code in our genes that can give expresssions and make us act, look, and be different.  and for anyone doubting this, id just like to point out,  you are also most likely the same kind of person who says gays are born gay, so that being said you have no foot to stand on, i win you lose.




Do you have data to back this up?  I would be very surprised to hear if there were good science behind that, not because people haven't tried, but race as a biological classification for human was abandoned by biologists a long time ago.  Skin color is one genetic trait (edit- actually not, it is more complex than that, but I mean it's one physical trait we inherit from our parents) that operates more on a spectrum than anything, and something like "black" is a hugely diverse group of people that includes basically all the genetic material that whites have and supposedly even more.

The arrogance in thinking that humans have entirely outsmarted the need for natural selection to create genetic diversity, and that there is a small group who possesses some special genetic characteristic others do not stems out of arrogant racism, not science.  It is entirely based on pseudoscience from a time when the Bible was considered the most credible source for information.  There are people who are considered white who are closely related to black people, and likewise, not to mention that we all share a common heritage from a short time ago relative to the span of life on earth and how our genome has been altered by our environments.

Racism is in our heads, and there is plenty of evidence it doesn't need to be that way.  Some may not realize, but when people imply things like, 'oh whites stopped being racist a long time ago we are just waiting for the minorities to catch up and get in on this good thing we've got going,' it comes off as a transparent attempt to write off the people who have struggled and succeeded in defining themselves as a part of the modern world. 

If that comes off as troublesome to you and you refuse to recognize these as valid feelings, nobody can make you change your mind, but I think it is better to be in touch with the way people feel and not just assume that everyone who says they have faced racist oppression is attempting to get one over on white people.


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Re: White People [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22024867 - 07/31/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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because I've never and never will identify myself as white




Thats a white privilege. Minorities get constantly singled out because of their race from early childhood an and are constantly made to question whether a situation is adverse to them because of individual circumstances or because of race.

Don't you agree how fucking sickening it is to be held racially accountable? Think about that one when some of the Pub heroes start throwing around racial crime statistics etc to justify prejudice.



I think it's easy for someone who didn't grow up in a melting pot to see it that way, but you gotta understand that many of us in the states grew up as children without really any concept of race until we got older and were taught about it. When I was a young child I played with plenty of black kids and Mexican kids, etc. It wasn't until I was later told that race was an issue that I had any concept that it was. I was actually by far a minority in the neighborhood I grew up in as a child.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22024871 - 07/31/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"If that comes off as troublesome to you and you refuse to recognize these as valid feelings, nobody can make you change your mind, but I think it is better to be in touch with the way people feel and not just assume that everyone who says they have faced racist oppression is attempting to get one over on white people."

Again, if I'm included in this, you are mistaking my words for something else, I'm not downplaying their struggles or saying they shouldn't feel the way they do, but I'm not going to act like that's a good enough reason to blame myself because I was born white, or feel guilt for what people who weren't me have done.

I've argued race many times on here already, I'm not going to look back and I'm sure you won't but feel free if you want for the threads about race I've commented in (probably police videos), but I am always against racism in every thread, and have argued that I believe black people are still oppressed to this day, but I don't feel like getting into that in this thread, my point being, I'm not feeling guilty for shit, because I do treat everyone the same.

I fully understand how much of an impact racism has on peoples lives, as I said, more of my friends are hispanic/black then white and they've explained to me long ago in detail why they feel the way they did and helped me put myself in their perspective and try to understand a life I haven't lived, and I do get it especially after they opened up to me about it, but they also understood when I explained that it is counterproductive to say "all white people" anything, and how it does hurt even someone like me when someone says that especially when I've made it a goal to treat everyone the same to still be lumped in with pieces of shit anyway.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22024882 - 07/31/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

its called adaption, darwinism, of course people are different depending on what part of the world they live in.  people seem to think that means that suddenly there's a new species, it doesn't work like that.  One species slowly changes, some can actually change fast, but most are very slow.  blacks for some reason adapted to have large pee pee's.  Evolution is a fact, so if anything, you need to prove that they arn't different besides skin color.  but like i said it doesn't apply just to them, and there is interbreeding, both now, and has happened long long ago.  Blacks or pick your color, could have and most likely did have sex with other colors back then, and then those colors got bred back out, so whites could easily have black or other color's traits mixed in as well.


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Re: White People [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22024884 - 07/31/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well even if we are proven to be genetically different, racism is lumping an entire group of people in with a certain type of behavior for the most part, which isn't genetic as I've met many black/hispanic people with many different types of personalites, and I'm sure that goes for all races. Which is why racism in itself is almost dumb and doesn't make sense.

But without actual studies and proof that we can analyze, statements like that are a scapegoat for idiots to go "see we are different" and then go about being racist but thinking that they now have a reason for it.


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Re: White People [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22024901 - 07/31/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i agree culture plays a big role as well, the young mind can be shaped into many things, from bible thumpers to astronauts


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Re: White People [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22025042 - 07/31/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Again, if I'm included in this, you are mistaking my words for something else, I'm not downplaying their struggles or saying they shouldn't feel the way they do, but I'm not going to act like that's a good enough reason to blame myself because I was born white, or feel guilt for what people who weren't me have done.




Who is trying to blame you for being white?  What exactly was said that made you feel people want you to feel guilty for being born with pale skin?


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Re: White People [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22025075 - 07/31/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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its called adaption, darwinism, of course people are different depending on what part of the world they live in.  people seem to think that means that suddenly there's a new species, it doesn't work like that.  One species slowly changes, some can actually change fast, but most are very slow.  blacks for some reason adapted to have large pee pee's.  Evolution is a fact, so if anything, you need to prove that they arn't different besides skin color.  but like i said it doesn't apply just to them, and there is interbreeding, both now, and has happened long long ago.  Blacks or pick your color, could have and most likely did have sex with other colors back then, and then those colors got bred back out, so whites could easily have black or other color's traits mixed in as well.




I didn't ask for your impression of BBCs, I asked for data proving that blacks as a whole have on average significantly larger penises than whites as a whole.

Also I'm not going to waste my time arguing the foundation of the modern understand of evolution with you, the only thing I want to make clear is that by defending the notion that there are discrete biological groups of humans which can be described primarily by skin color or a limited number of physical characteristics, you are putting yourself into the exact position that people are identify as racists come from.  I'm not saying you're a racist, I don't know you or really care that much, but from what you say here it sure sounds like you are.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22025110 - 07/31/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Have you ever heard the term white guilt, the costa rican guy I work with among many others, "go to page 2 i think it is in this thread to read my comment about that", minorities in that video saying all whites are racist, there is clearly a stigma that white people should have "white guilt", and even those white people in the video coming across like they should feel bad about being white. The fact that people in that video made it perfectly clear they think all white people are to blame. It's obvious, and Asante saying I have "white priviledge" because I was born white, but identify as a person like I consider everyone else to be rather then white.

You say racism is a problem, I agree, the solution isn't to act like we should accept why they feel "all white people" anything, that isn't me or anyone else being ignorant (which is the original reason I commented, since I felt you were including me among other posters in that comment) to their struggles and the history behind it, that is a contributing factor to racism, since it is in itself a form of racism, and in no way going to help out the problem.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22025115 - 07/31/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

everyone's entitled to an opinion, until they call you a racist

likewise i don't care what you think either which is why im not going to bother to look up research which wouldn't prove much either way, and you'd discount it either way.  Plus it doesn't matter, the main point is evolution and adaption, u can't deny it, well you can but you'd be racist.:tinfoil:


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Re: White People [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22025204 - 07/31/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Evolution and adaptation are not a point, they are just two words used to describe integral parts to every human's and every living thing on Earth's shared legacy.

The question posed to these people wasn't 'what are all white people', it was 'what do you think of when you think of white people'.  Where many whites are hesitant and cagey when asked the inverse of this question, you will find that many people on the other side of the coin are more forthcoming and ready to face up to some of the most uncomfortable parts of racism. 

Though through some twist of logic many people have become convinced that minorities in America have been manipulated by those they view as leaders into being more racist than white people, to me it just shows that they're more in touch with the realities of racism and used to the uncomfortable feeling of being put into a box that makes you feel there is something wrong with you, so they are less likely to pull punches.

Nobody ever said that all white people are racist, and even some racist people are forced into situations with other cultures and inadvertently contribute to our shared culture, the problem lies with anyone that wants to point to other other cultures to justify racist rhetoric.  It doesn't matter who you are, if you don't agree with racism you should be proud and not hesitant to confront it.  Why does it always be about how everyone else but you is racist?  You can just take a stand against racism as an individual and leave other people to speak for themselves.

Lots of people like to say they are colorblind, and then say "but..." and go on to list their grievances with minorities.  It's ok to have these feelings, I'm just saying it's more healthy to voice them and listen to what other people have to say with respect rather than immediately dismiss anything that makes you feel uncomfortable, or seems irrelevant because it is outside your experience.


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    #22025221 - 07/31/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22025240 - 07/31/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Of course there are differences. Negroes are better at sports and other physical things. Why do you suppose the heavyweight boxing champs are almost all black? They excel at those things and don't do as well at mental things. Not too many black scientists, doctors, physicists, mathematicians and so on. Of course asante and moonbeam will tell us its all because of discrimination. Yeah, right.


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Re: White People [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22025277 - 07/31/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for not wasting my time coming up with bullshit statistics that you admit don't prove anything anyway :thumbup: I have no idea what you're trying to say but I am fully aware that all human diversity was all shaped by the same processes of genetic mutation and natural selection over time, but I fail to see how this validates the idea that there is a clear divide between black and white people outside the context of racism.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22025285 - 07/31/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks for not wasting my time coming up with bullshit statistics that you admit don't prove anything anyway :thumbup: I have no idea what you're trying to say but I am fully aware that all human diversity was all shaped by the same processes of genetic mutation and natural selection over time, but I fail to see how this validates the idea that there is a clear divide between black and white people outside the context of racism.



I watched an interesting program on the Discovery channel recently about how many of the differences between the races could very well to a large part have to do with other hominids that Homo Sapiens and our ancestors cross bred with, and not as much to do with genetic mutation as was once thought.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22025311 - 07/31/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That black girl who cried because of the word ghetto said exactly "all white people are racist", or the girl next to her.

It is well implied in this video and I don't think minorities are more or less racist, racism is racism, and racism contributes to racism, which isn't a solution.


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Re: White People [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22025329 - 07/31/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You do know that the etymology of ghetto has nothing to do with Negroes, right?  I believe it was originally applied to poor Jewish communities in Europe.


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Re: White People [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22025341 - 07/31/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't know that, and apparently neither did the girl in the video because she cried when asked what ghetto meant to her.


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