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Re: White People [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #22023896 - 07/31/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm going to watch it right now while cooking, I'll tell you what I thought.

Edit: 41 minutes!? aagh.. oh well, here we go.




Eh, it was alright. Most of it I didn't really recognize, race relations are just different here than in America.

But the last part with the Italian neighbourhood turning Chinese was more familliar, it mirrors our experiences with people from North-Africa and the Middle East really well.
That was a good bit, I liked how the white guy was trying to reach out to the immigrants and that it had moderate effect on the neighbourhood, and how the children of the immigrants where almost indistinguishable from other Americans.

I didn't like how many of the people talked like this? Like every sentence was a question? Even when making a statement?
That was weird.

Then there where the parents of that guy who watched Fox News, and I was like: of course they're racist. We all know about Fox News in the Netherlands, and we dissaprove.
And it turned out they where not as much racist as they where ignorant, so progress can be made, I guess. (Just kill Fox News. It is the devil.)

But the white guy lecturing white guys about white something.. that was just funny.

All in all, I think that this was a genuine effort of the film makers to talk about something that is rather taboo in certain societies, but college age Americans are some of the most obnoxious people in the solar system, so that made it hard to watch.

7/10, I think I learned something today, but I won't watch it again.


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Re: White People [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22023915 - 07/31/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm around their age and I agree with newchrisman, I literally can't relate to a single person in that video, and have never thought about it the way any of them did. I can't say that's a reason why they're wrong, but I certainly think everyone in that video was.....everyone


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Re: White People [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 2
    #22023926 - 07/31/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm around their age and I agree with newchrisman, I literally can't relate to a single person in that video, and have never thought about it the way any of them did. I can't say that's a reason why they're wrong, but I certainly think everyone in that video was.....everyone




Yeah but you're on the shroomery, so that makes you hella cool compared to those kids.


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Re: White People [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #22024234 - 07/31/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's funny the sorts of things people criticize about that video.  It all seems to be based on gut feelings rather than just looking at some of the facts they presented and recognizing or disputing them with other evidence.

The scholarship stuff was interesting to me, and I loved the moment where that girl panicked and was like, 'you're turning on me' :lol: It kinda mirrors alot of situations where people are just averse to confront when they're wrong or don't like the reality they're confronted with.  I haven't checked out the data yet, but I will definitely remember this if the scholarship thing comes up in a conversation I have, because I think they made a solid case.

As far as the white privilege classes, I think it was a bold move to include that in the video, and I think it is a bold move for the kid to teach them.  I suspect that there's alot less people attending when MTV does not show up, but though the phrase 'white privlige' turns alot of people off it's true that is one side of the racism we still face.

People are allowed to be proud of their heritage, nobody is saying that, but no matter who you are if you ignore glaring unfairness in history and modern culture, you are being ignorant.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy] * 5
    #22024469 - 07/31/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just in case I'm included in that, I'm not ignoring unfairness in history and modern culture, but I'm not going to act like I'm the one to blame for it, or feel any type of guilt because of the actions of people I never met and a color of skin I had no control over.

And if people are going to act like I'm part of the problem because I was born this color, fuck them, because if I said the exact opposite about any other race, I'd be a racist asshole. That video did nothing for me then prove that racism doesn't discriminate and all colors of people can be racist, I'm going to continue treating everyone the same until the individual I'm dealing with gives me a reason not to, if that's me being ignorant, so be it.

I don't agree with anything those white kids said about how they feel about being white, because I've never and never will identify myself as white, labels separate people, not help unite them, I am a person, just like a black guy, or asian guy, or hispanic guy, is a person, and I'm going to treat them like people until they give me a reason not to. I don't say "Yeah my black friend Mike is coming over"....no I say my friend mike is coming over, it's almost like the people in the video were making it out like every single person has race on the mind, no, not everyone does, some people just look at everyone like they're people. I've never walked into the store and noticed I was the only white guy like the one kid in the video said. why the fuck would I think that ever, that is literally retarded. The only time skin color truly makes a difference and you should be identified as such, is giving someone a description of someone(like a cop for instance, to help them identify who they are after)

You want real ignorance? Every minority(not literally every minority in the world, but at least one from every minority in that video) acting like it's only okay for them to judge white people because the color of their skin is white and lump all of us together, while simultaneously saying that racism is a problem, the hypocrisy in that is so large I can't face palm myself hard enough to express it.

They basically want to use racism to fight racism? If you fight fire with fire, more shit burns. That video taught me that racism isn't exclusive to any color of people, and that every color of people, have racists. The message they tried to convey was a decent one, the way they went about it, was awful and IMO counterproductive.


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Re: White People [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22024479 - 07/31/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: White People [Re: Asante]
    #22024486 - 07/31/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Doesnt surprise me one bit that you guys only watched a few minutes or not at all.



Tell us, Asante, what do you think you learned about white people from the MTV video?


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Re: White People [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 1
    #22024491 - 07/31/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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because I've never and never will identify myself as white




Thats a white privilege. Minorities get constantly singled out because of their race from early childhood an and are constantly made to question whether a situation is adverse to them because of individual circumstances or because of race.

Don't you agree how fucking sickening it is to be held racially accountable? Think about that one when some of the Pub heroes start throwing around racial crime statistics etc to justify prejudice.


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Re: White People [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22024563 - 07/31/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There would be no prejudice if they didn't act disporportionatly like assholes.  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?


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Re: White People [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22024585 - 07/31/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You want real ignorance? Every minority(not literally every minority in the world, but at least one from every minority in that video) acting like it's only okay for them to judge white people because the color of their skin is white and lump all of us together, while simultaneously saying that racism is a problem, the hypocrisy in that is so large I can't face palm myself hard enough to express it.

They basically want to use racism to fight racism? If you fight fire with fire, more shit burns. That video taught me that racism isn't exclusive to any color of people, and that every color of people, have racists. The message they tried to convey was a decent one, the way they went about it, was awful and IMO counterproductive.




Did you not watch the video, or did it just go over your head?  I feel like most of the things you mentioned were brought up, or at least the filmmaker made an attempt to address these issues and it was clear that people weren't comfortable elaborating on these feelings because they were afraid of looking like racists.

If something in your gut is telling you that a feeling you have towards black people is racist and you shouldn't say it, it is probably racist.  If your problem isn't with "minorities" but rather people who advocate for civil equality, then just come out and say that, don't dance around the issue and make minorities feel like they're resented just for expressing how they perceive racism.  People need to be able to state their true feelings regarding race if we're ever going to get anywhere, and the fact is we're all programmed from an early age to make these presumptions about race that show a clear preference to whites.

I'm willing to admit that there might always be racism, but I respect people who take a stand against it because I share their vision for the future.  To me this makes anti-racists like a family, which is why people want to say that anti-racists are racist against racists, because racists feel they are being ostracized, but in the end it is their own stubbornness that keeps them from being part of the future of America and the human race.  Anyone can be a part, the only rule is that you accept all humans as inherently equal and all deserving of the same basic respect regardless of race.  Once people come to terms with that maybe then we can start talking about what tactics are working and what aren't towards this end.


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Re: White People [Re: Asante]
    #22024714 - 07/31/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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because I've never and never will identify myself as white




Thats a white privilege. Minorities get constantly singled out because of their race from early childhood an and are constantly made to question whether a situation is adverse to them because of individual circumstances or because of race.

Don't you agree how fucking sickening it is to be held racially accountable? Think about that one when some of the Pub heroes start throwing around racial crime statistics etc to justify prejudice.




This is horseshit, this is not a white privelege whatsoever, I don't identify myself with white, that doesn't stop minorities or anyone from lumping me in with all whites, in the same way a black person doesn't have to identify with black even if other RACISTS want to lump them in with them.

You going to tell me this is black priveledge?

I do agree that racism is fucking disgusting, go into those racial crime statistics threads you were talking about and read my responses, I  firmly stood with my stance that there is way more to it then statistics and there is no way it can be explained in such a black and white type of way, there is always many variables contributing to the problem. So yeah, I have thought about it.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22024723 - 07/31/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

People are not inherently equal.  Some people are idots and some are geniuses.  Some people are physically gifted and some are Klutzes.  Some people are physically gifted geniuses and some people are idiotic Klutzes  We aint all equal.  The phrase in the Constitution only applies to the law, not that people are actually equal.


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Re: White People [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22024732 - 07/31/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You want real ignorance? Every minority(not literally every minority in the world, but at least one from every minority in that video) acting like it's only okay for them to judge white people because the color of their skin is white and lump all of us together, while simultaneously saying that racism is a problem, the hypocrisy in that is so large I can't face palm myself hard enough to express it.

They basically want to use racism to fight racism? If you fight fire with fire, more shit burns. That video taught me that racism isn't exclusive to any color of people, and that every color of people, have racists. The message they tried to convey was a decent one, the way they went about it, was awful and IMO counterproductive.




Did you not watch the video, or did it just go over your head?  I feel like most of the things you mentioned were brought up, or at least the filmmaker made an attempt to address these issues and it was clear that people weren't comfortable elaborating on these feelings because they were afraid of looking like racists.

If something in your gut is telling you that a feeling you have towards black people is racist and you shouldn't say it, it is probably racist.  If your problem isn't with "minorities" but rather people who advocate for civil equality, then just come out and say that, don't dance around the issue and make minorities feel like they're resented just for expressing how they perceive racism.  People need to be able to state their true feelings regarding race if we're ever going to get anywhere, and the fact is we're all programmed from an early age to make these presumptions about race that show a clear preference to whites.

I'm willing to admit that there might always be racism, but I respect people who take a stand against it because I share their vision for the future.  To me this makes anti-racists like a family, which is why people want to say that anti-racists are racist against racists, because racists feel they are being ostracized, but in the end it is their own stubbornness that keeps them from being part of the future of America and the human race.  Anyone can be a part, the only rule is that you accept all humans as inherently equal and all deserving of the same basic respect regardless of race.  Once people come to terms with that maybe then we can start talking about what tactics are working and what aren't towards this end.




Did you not read my responses, or did they go over your head? They took fucking 20 year olds who probably never gave it much thought and put them on the spot, of course their answers are going to convey ignorance and appear retarded, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. I even said I agree with the message they are TRYING TO CONVEY, but went about it wrong, which I stand by 100%.

"Anyone can be a part, the only rule is that you accept all humans as inherently equal and all deserving of the same basic respect regardless of race.  Once people come to terms with that maybe then we can start talking about what tactics are working and what aren't towards this end."

This was my point all along, and my stance that I lived with throughout life. Acting like all white people are racist, is a retarded counterproductive stance that contributes to racism, just like a white dude paying attention that there is more black people around him then whites, that should go unnoticed. What all these kids meant to say is "Well I'm racist, but I feel like they're more racists" I would of actually respected that.


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Re: White People [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22024743 - 07/31/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

so how does everyone feel about hilter?  he was was white and hated white people

so like, if everyone was like hitler the world would be a better place amiright?  cuss then we wouldn't have all this white vs black talk :cookiemonster:  :elmo:


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Re: White People [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22024748 - 07/31/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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People are not inherently equal.  Some people are idots and some are geniuses.  Some people are physically gifted and some are Klutzes.  Some people are physically gifted geniuses and some people are idiotic Klutzes  We aint all equal.  The phrase in the Constitution only applies to the law, not that people are actually equal.




We're not all equal, but not because of skin color, all people are inherently capable of being an idiot, but the point of all of this is that it doesn't have anything to do with skin color. People aren't born equal, but people of all colors can be just as capable of doing something that someone of a different color did, even if all of them can't, there will be undoubtedly some that can.


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    #22024762 - 07/31/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I mean white can just mean pale skin.  The MTV doc did address the whole notion of colorblindness, it seems like it is often used as a tactic to avoid discussion about racism when people feel that it is a subject that should not be broached. 

Of course labels and stereotypes should be questioned at every stop, that is part of challenging racism, but others feel that when people who live in complete isolation from other cultures adopt this mentality it is failing to recognize the voice of people who do suffer from racist oppression.

To me it seems like people who challenge attempts to open a dialogue about racism will use a revolving set of arguments that they seem to agree are all somewhat flawed and failing to describe the full reasoning behind finding such conversation to be insulting, but it is implied that together all the reasons people shouldn't care about racism paint a picture where any discussion about race has to be racist therefore it shouldn't be discussed.  It is frustrating to no end to me, because I feel like it is a disingenuous and flaky attitude regarding something that is actually quite serious and warrants discussion.


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Re: White People [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22024769 - 07/31/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the show had an overall positive message about making talking about race less taboo.





I agree, as I said, I think they went about it wrong, but agree with what they were attempting.


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    #22024772 - 07/31/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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People are not inherently equal.  Some people are idots and some are geniuses.  Some people are physically gifted and some are Klutzes.  Some people are physically gifted geniuses and some people are idiotic Klutzes  We aint all equal.  The phrase in the Constitution only applies to the law, not that people are actually equal.




We're not all equal, but not because of skin color, all people are inherently capable of being an idiot, but the point of all of this is that it doesn't have anything to do with skin color. People aren't born equal, but people of all colors can be just as capable of doing something that someone of a different color did, even if all of them can't, there will be undoubtedly some that can.




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    #22024773 - 07/31/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
People are not inherently equal.  Some people are idots and some are geniuses.  Some people are physically gifted and some are Klutzes.  Some people are physically gifted geniuses and some people are idiotic Klutzes  We aint all equal.  The phrase in the Constitution only applies to the law, not that people are actually equal.




We're not all equal, but not because of skin color, all people are inherently capable of being an idiot, but the point of all of this is that it doesn't have anything to do with skin color. People aren't born equal, but people of all colors can be just as capable of doing something that someone of a different color did, even if all of them can't, there will be undoubtedly some that can.




not entirely true actually, genetically whites and blacks and other colors and shades differ, one prime example of this the penis right.  So if anatomy can be different on average, then whos to say it doesn't also affect other things like the brain?  Both in good and bad ways, along with athletism, attitude,aggression, and other things.

then with interbreeding, all these things get mixed together and you have a bunch of different variations of this which confusions these observations.  Its not much of a stretch to say hundreds of years ago, before all the mix breeding, that we were infact very different, and not just because of the level of education each culture had.  this doesn't have to be thought of as negative in any way, i view it as having adapted to the surroundings.  Some places on earth were far more harsh and violent and so there was no need for things, and other places easy living making them weaker or whatever, u get my point.

anyways, just saying, genetics, just because we are human doesn't mean we are the same.  there are mutations genetic lines, so many lines of code in our genes that can give expresssions and make us act, look, and be different.  and for anyone doubting this, id just like to point out,  you are also most likely the same kind of person who says gays are born gay, so that being said you have no foot to stand on, i win you lose.


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Re: White People [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22024784 - 07/31/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well that is a good point and something that could and probably will be studied at some point, but until there is proof we are genetically different, I don't think we should approach it with that mentality as it could unintentionally support people with racist tendencies.


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