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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: HalfOwlHalfShroom]
    #21928778 - 07/11/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I love DMT. I'm definitely a "believer" in the experience. People can say that it's all hallucinatory and what not. But as a supreme skeptic in everything, I firmly believe the DMT can take people to other worlds and dimensions. Real shit like astral projection, remote viewing, seeing through other people's eyes, reliving other peoples memories, going back to memories form infancy, feeling death over and over again. Crazy shit.


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: HalfOwlHalfShroom]
    #21928781 - 07/11/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is it really produced in our brains? Has there been any studies to prove this?


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: daytripper05]
    #21928792 - 07/11/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The feeling that my mind and body where dying was the strangest thing I've ever felt. I totally get what people are talking about now when they talk about breaking through that barrier.

And yea dmt is in tons of plants and is said to be released in our brains before death


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21928807 - 07/11/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think the receptors are used a whole lot in dreaming. Did you feel tired after? When I land back in reality I have this "just got laid" sleepy afterglow. Or I'm scared shitless, that's happened too but always with the sleepy satisfaction of being back together.


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21928808 - 07/11/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bigfeely123 said:
Is it really produced in our brains? Has there been any studies to prove this?





We are not totally sure if its released during death and if its even the chemical responsible for dreaming. But if we had to guess, we would say it is. DMT has all the signs.

But we do know DMT was found in the pineal gland of rats. This leads us to believe it is indeed in the pineal glands of human beings.


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21928822 - 07/11/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just bought some Rue. The Caapi extract I had never did the job. Time for another try in the oral realm. Soonish.


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21928843 - 07/11/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The feeling that my mind and body where dying was the strangest thing I've ever felt. I totally get what people are talking about now when they talk about breaking through that barrier.

And yea dmt is in tons of plants and is said to be released in our brains before death




Well it sounds like a totally regular egodeath, both your first post and this one

That's how it often is, fear of death, annihilation, nothingness


But it truly can be life changing the first time, or even every time
The interesting thing also is that egodeath is not limited to psychedelics, people have experienced it in various states through time


Now a good question, was the world disappearing in front of your eyes just chemical reactions in your brain? , due to lack of input/rerouting of input


Egodeath is basically like getting the carpet slipped away from under your feet, not ones body, not in the room anymore

The interesting thing is often what it brings after the trip itself , it may change people for years or for the rest of their life


Also if it was egodeath you experienced, you can often get there on 4-5g mushrooms or 200-250ug LSD (real 200-250ug , not the fake weak blotters that are in most places)


Why is it a strange feeling that mind and body is dying?
That happens everytime to me on 3.5g mushrooms , what's different compared to mushrooms there?

It feels like you're really dying, should I call 911 etc. ? you always ponder that


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
    #21928857 - 07/11/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

For me I think It was being propelled 0-1000 so fast.i usually won't ego death on 3.5 grams but when I do it's a little more easier to handle because I have some time to get my grip before I'm thrown completely into the abyss. It's never easy to go completely out for me but dmt was just different. I don't know :shrug:


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
    #21928875 - 07/11/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My trips changed, but I also got some extremely strong LSD lately, 1 hit would just remove the world in front of my eyes, 220ug they're tested at

so couldn't understand what this body was, why I kept merging with the walls

I tried taking a shower, but merged with the walls/unconscious part of it

that's the usual feeling, merging with walls and room, suddenly gone

and with this hit I was just gone suddenly , no warning before


Learning to let go, and a high dose too, can do that suddenly
The interesting thing is what changed when you return, damn, a lot usually


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
    #21928881 - 07/11/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Next day will usually look quite interesting.. ;-)


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
    #21928894 - 07/11/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea LSD gives me such an amazing after glow. Everything's just perfect in the world for days after :smile:


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21928929 - 07/11/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The feeling that my mind and body where dying was the strangest thing I've ever felt. I totally get what people are talking about now when they talk about breaking through that barrier.

And yea dmt is in tons of plants and is said to be released in our brains before death




Here is my analogy that I use to try to explain it to people and others trying to go deeper. Since I died in 2006, I can go super deep, almost too deep. You've heard my posts on here and we eat the same L and that shit just fucks me up.

So my analogy is to compare leaving your body in the same way one would compare putting strange objects into their body. So think of a sword swallower. The normal person would puke and gag and could never put their finger down their throat, let alone a sword, a billiard ball, or anything they can fit down there.

Leaving ones body is a very same reflex or feeling as the gag reflex. I am still learning how to train my mind to remove this reflex so I can leave my body on command. It's definitely a work in progress and not something I can control, but I am 100% confident I am onto the "feeling" and that this gag reflex is real. The closest thing to this feeling that we have in words in "death". But we don't really die of course, but it's the same feeling. So to me, what that feeling is, is our metaphysical self leaving our physical self.

That's my theory anyway...


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
    #21928960 - 07/11/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can leave my body on command many days successfully

www.ld4all.nl
www.dreamviews.com

train that every week and you will get it work after a few weeks max, the key is training every week lucid dreaming + dream journal


I just lay down in bed, don't move for 45-60mins, dont hang onto thoughts
then I wake up in my dream, and realize I'm dreaming , wake up where I went to bed, but now I can fly / leave my body

there's no word to how much mindblowing just 1 lucid dream can be, I had a semi lucid dream tonight where I practiced flying , didn't realize I was dreaming though

I've been practicing lucid dreaming for at least 16-18 years now or so , it needs lots of practice
with practice you can learn to lucid dream most nights, the more time I spend on it the more I have

3-5 per month or more is not unusual, vs 0-3 normally per year , so training it helps a lot

lucid dreaming is a free trip, loved it since 4-5 years old or so


This method also helps you remember all your dreams, you go from recalling 0 dreams to 3 each night often (dream journal is essential)
It can be very fun to remember your dreams, feels like a free trip to me, mindblowing each time, in unexplainable ways - especially the dreams you fly in

The methods that work for me are: WILD and WB2B , both work very good


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
    #21929235 - 07/11/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly... I do not like that feeling of dying. I have gone into fight or flight mode because of it before on mushrooms. How do you guys deal with that? I feel like it is the body's natural instinct/response to try to stay alive when you are faced with death. I have done salvia more than a couple times & those times were the most intense psychedelic experiences of my life (out of any substance) yet I did not feel like I was dying. The feeling is incredibly hard to explain because at that point I couldn't feel anything, let alone even know what a feeling was. I just felt like nothing.


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #21929565 - 07/11/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dude you can write another 4,800 posts about your dreams, OBE's, 4g mushroom trips, dissociative salvia trips, etc. But you're naive for thinking they're the same. No one's claiming that DMT is best at anything but anyone who's had a breakthrough can tell you it's much more than a lucid dream or astral projection or any other sober or psychedelic experience you've had before.

I appreciate you taking the devils advocate approach but where do you come off telling other people what their DMT experience means and how you've had the same experience your own way? You haven't. Flying around your dream bedroom is a joke compared to a DMT breakthrough. Sure, ego death was a term before DMT and isn't exclusive to it. But the way you've been describing it does not sound like the ego death I've experienced and seen others describe from DMT. You shouldn't assume that your definitions of these mystical states are relevant to other people.

I think when you ever do try DMT you will be surprised by the differences and similarities. But they are not generic experiences. There's a reason most people find difficulty describing their breakthroughs in words. Your ignorant attempt to explain it through other experiences is disrespectful to the raw purity of something that truly doesn't compare.


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21929588 - 07/11/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In a lucid dream you can only master your reality by facing your fear

So if people are trying to kill you, you must face them to be able to fly around


Same goes for tripping, if you think you're dying, you must accept death


Same goes for this reality - if you are afraid of being ridiculed by others you don't master your reality by running away from ridicule, but by facing it (there are lots of ways of getting ridiculed if not acting like everyone else in this society)


It's most important to be yourself, nothing else is important


That's why I don't read trip reports so often, I usually just trip and see what happens
If I should recommend something I would recommend mushroom chocolates, they are easier to trip on, often give good trips for me, and they work more intensely - so 3.5g could be plenty for most people likely

Mushroom chocolate tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19168153
No nausea and no taste at all


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
    #21929606 - 07/11/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't disagree with anything else that you are saying because I really have no opinion on it. BUT dying in a dream is waaayyy different from thinking your dying in a trip.


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
    #21929613 - 07/11/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My breakthroughs have given me a much deeper appreciation for all those techniques and experiences you bring up, and I regularly enjoy them and support them. But I would never mistake them for what I experienced in the 5 minute windows of my vaped DMT trips. Sorry man, but you're extremely foolish to be so stuck up about your ignorance to other people's experiences.


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
    #21929619 - 07/11/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:confused: we're talking about DMT breakthroughs not a medium mushroom trip. I would say 3.5 grams of strong mushrooms just scratches the surface of a full blown DMT experiance. I've been tripping on mushrooms and LSD for a pretty long time and I have to say DMT is by far the most powerful psychedelic I've ever used. It's something no one can explain


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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21929654 - 07/11/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:confused: we're talking about DMT breakthroughs not a medium mushroom trip. I would say 3.5 grams of strong mushrooms just scratches the surface of a full blown DMT experiance. I've been tripping on mushrooms and LSD for a pretty long time and I have to say DMT is by far the most powerful psychedelic I've ever used. It's something no one can explain




Well I have had the looping for 8 hours on a 3.5g chocolate trip , many times

Death loop , but maybe that's just a bad trip

Nothing is more intense than the fear of death , right?
That's the ultimate fear


But in terms of visuals sure DMT is more intense than shrooms, shrooms give mindfuck
openeyed visuals are not always their strong side , they're better for closed eyes


You will just be surprised how intense 3.5-4g chocolates really can be if you try, 4g I can't even describe with words how intense that was
4g is just insanity... No words can describe, so many colors, I think I saw colors in my mind and surfaces I have never seen before

Mushrooms can be very visual, and technically they are DMT too - very similar to DMT chemically

Some require big dose, some can trip on 2.5-3.5g , I trip fine on 3.5g


I for sure wouldn't take over 5g chocolates, if you ever take 4g chocolates with powder in I'm sure you know what I mean, it usually scares the person away from dosing higher
So many visuals, so intense mindfuck no words can describe

And I've been taking high doses of LSD for a long while , always 3+ hits, but 4g chocolates is not a weak mindfuck

It may take years to process a 4g trip , just like a DMT trip

No psychedelic is better than the other one , that is what I'm saying , and I don't need to try DMT to know this

You can trip in many ways , there are many ways to the transcendental mind , benefits/disadvantages to each

A real psychedelic doesn't leave you longing for more if you do it right, and mushrooms I consider a real psychedelic

People who take 4-5g don't usually crave more in the trip , many people trip on 2-3.5g

4-5g territory is something that is usually not repeated so often, as it fragments the mind into 1000s pieces and may take years to process afterwards


4-5g chocolates will give you such a strong trip you won't go there again, unless you have already blown your receptors by dosing 2-3x a week
With no tolerance and empty stomach, this dose will make even Mckenna satisfied


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