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Rebelutionsssss
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: wigglewak]
#21928508 - 07/11/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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dmt can very well be the most spiritual experiance some people have. Just like the Indians that eat peyote for religious reasons, doesn't mean that their faith is fake.
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Rebelutionsssss said: Well said brother I have some friends that really want to explore dmt but I'm not sure they are ready for it by any means. I know you can never be prepared but this person had trouble handling 2 grams of average cubensis I'm kind of sad I have no close friends (besides on the shroomery) that are willing to go into the deep dark confines of the mind and explore that what these beautiful compounds can do to improve your life and better you as a person.
Everytime I try to explain that these are learning tools and need to be respected just don't understand and just want to get "fucked up" which is really a shame. On 2 grams of cubensis my friend just kept repeating how he just wanted to be normal and that this is weird, he just couldn't let go. He's also one that abuses cocaine so somewhere in his mind he's trying to hide from something. I will try and explain to my friends how these experiences free your mind and allow you to accept the world how it is and to find beauty in the things you do have and all I get is this
I can't wait to explore dmt further and eventually try Ayahuasca I absolutely love entheogens
Some people hate having their ontological structure pulled out from under them...it's like sky-diving, some may see it as a thrill while others would be scared to death... Regardless it's difficult for a person in panic to retrieve useful gnosis, so if you panic in these situations than maybe shamanic exploration is not for you....we all feel fear, it's how you handle yourself under pressure and intense panic that makes the difference, the first men to go to the moon were known for this "keeping calm in outrageous situations" quality and would have made excellent shamans...
I think these things have remained in such a peripheral position in culture because it's very hard to language the experience, articulation into human language structure is near impossible, so we need metaphor makers, those who can make others understand as close as possible with human language, these are the people we need taking these compounds....Because it's not for everybody, so the people who it is for have the responsibility of attempting to express these things to the non-users.
Be safe in your travels, and good luck.
-E. Borodin
Well said, psychedelics can benefit society best if it is people who are good at communicating/creating that take them
Some people are very good at communicating with society, if we could get a few of those to take psychedelics, our society would be permanently transformed very quickly
Imagine if politicians took psychedelics... , imagine if mayors took them
Transformation would be very quick then. Some people have natural talents in communication.
People who cannot communicate very good cannot benefit society much here, they can only trip for themselves
But like Mckenna said, it's our job to bring soul back to society We must find things worth bringing back, because the world is in lack of consciousness
And we must do it in a humble way, because recognizing that we recognize that we used to be too and we are still at the risk of it, if we live in a society that is in lack of spirit
We only feel good if society feels good, that's why we bring back
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lessismore
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Rebelutionsssss said:
dmt can very well be the most spiritual experiance some people have. Just like the Indians that eat peyote for religious reasons, doesn't mean that their faith is fake.
I'll use your own quote
"to define is to confine", if you define psychedelics as locks to the universe ,you're confined
if you define psychedelics as the only spiritual experience possible, you're confined
unprogram your mind
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
#21928540 - 07/11/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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And you don't have to post in a thread you have no experience with just because everyone else is. It's like the 5th thread I've seen you ramble off your imagined opinion about DMT and share it like it has weight or authority. You could read and talk about DMT for years and never come close to knowing what it's truly like until you've gone all the way. Seeing you compare it to meditation or a lucid dream is insulting. If you haven't found a reason to smoke it yet, what are your reasons for forging such a strong public opinion on it? I don't understand why I see you in so many DMT-psychedelic experience threads when you have 0 experience.

Try a little acceptance my friend
If you think DMT is more spiritual than anything you can achieve without the drug, you are deluding yourself and your soul
I have had extremely spiritual experiences without psychs...but the funny thing was, whenever I had such experiences, I was under a psychotic time-period in my life that was originally caused by psychedelics.
So the bottom line really is....drugs are mans only honest opportunity for spiritual experiences.
yes...I know...someone can have a dream or a NDE that can trigger a spiritual experience because spiritual is subjective...but IMHO the experiences drugs give blow the others out of the water.
I believe its because are body is made of drugs so we need to introduce a key to our locks in the mind to trigger the spiritual experience. Without the drug...we just have the natural ones bouncing around doing thangz its used to doing.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
#21928549 - 07/11/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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When did I say it's the only spiritual experiance possible? For some people it could be psychedelics, others it could be hundreds of different things
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
#21928563 - 07/11/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So the bottom line really is....drugs are mans only honest opportunity for spiritual experiences.
That is extremely infected thoughts
Watch your thoughts is my advice, how much do you trip?
Man is already spiritual, that's how we are born, we just forget Drugs are not required...
If you think drugs are required they have usually infected your mind That's what weed does, now weed's the greatest That's what psychedelics do, now they're the greatest That's what cocaine does, now lets try a bit cocaine, its so great?
Drugs infect your mind, without you being aware
Real spirituality doesn't need drugs, but you can have a spiritual experience on a drug I just disagree a lot with you saying it's not possible without a drug, that's the stupidiest idea I've heard in a long time
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
#21928569 - 07/11/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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But then wouldn't you be confined to your unprogram?
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
#21928607 - 07/11/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lessismore said: So the bottom line really is....drugs are mans only honest opportunity for spiritual experiences.
That is extremely infected thoughts
Watch your thoughts is my advice, how much do you trip?
Man is already spiritual, that's how we are born, we just forget Drugs are not required...
If you think drugs are required they have usually infected your mind That's what weed does, now weed's the greatest That's what psychedelics do, now they're the greatest That's what cocaine does, now lets try a bit cocaine, its so great?
Drugs infect your mind, without you being aware
Real spirituality doesn't need drugs, but you can have a spiritual experience on a drug I just disagree a lot with you saying it's not possible without a drug, that's the stupidiest idea I've heard in a long time
did you read my whole post?
I said spiritual experiences are subjective and anyone can have a spiritual experience without psychs.
but psychs are the best way and most efficient. If you haven't tried a psychedelic solely because you feel like you are already spiritual...then I truly believe you are dead wrong.
that's what I mean when I say psychs are the only way. Because without them, you are missing something.
so let me rephrase my bottom line..
bottom line- if someone claims to be spiritual with spiritual knowledge of the true divine, and you haven't tried a psychedelic, then you are full of shit.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21928619 - 07/11/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can have a spiritual experience in 100s of ways , no drugs needed
I can have it on drugs too , but I wouldn't count on it , they often distort my mind/ego
But apparently you know 'the best way' of being spiritual, with drugs you say
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
#21928625 - 07/11/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spirituality without psychs is a scam.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21928633 - 07/11/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: spirituality without psychs is a scam.
Tell the hindus that
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21928635 - 07/11/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Drugs infect your mind" "you can have a spiritual experiance on a drug"
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: lessismore]
#21928636 - 07/11/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lessismore said: I can have a spiritual experience in 100s of ways , no drugs needed
I can have it on drugs too , but I wouldn't count on it , they often distort my mind/ego
But apparently you know 'the best way' of being spiritual, with drugs you say
So I should believe a preacher when he tells me hes a man of God because he has some cool spiritual dreams and reads the bible?
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
#21928640 - 07/11/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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or if I want to make my statement less harsh...I can change it to:
"Spirituality without psychs is spirituality with training wheels. Its for children."
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Glad you enjoyed your DMT experience dude.
Try it from a dab rig next time. I vape my DMT in between 350-400 degrees on my nail. Just do a standard low-temp dab with a carb cap. I tend to like to suck 2-3 good DMT dabs down before I let myself go to space. You can fight it if you try, but after a certain point you just have to let go. So I just get my pile of crystal ready, heat up my nail, rip it. And then it all over again while I am holding my hit. Exhale and repeat until you can't hit it anymore. Everyone else I do it with needs me to help them, but I can always do it for myself no problem.
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21928656 - 07/11/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lessismore said: I can have a spiritual experience in 100s of ways , no drugs needed
I can have it on drugs too , but I wouldn't count on it , they often distort my mind/ego
But apparently you know 'the best way' of being spiritual, with drugs you say
So I should believe a preacher when he tells me hes a man of God because he has some cool spiritual dreams and reads the bible?
I agree that psychedelic experiences tend to weed out the frauds and TV preachers. But...
Not everyone who has a spiritual experience without drugs believes in the bible. I almost died in 2006. I talked to an entity that called herself "god". Yes it was a "she". I was literally out of my body. I could see my body in third person, yet I was still viewing the world from my own eyes. I could go into great detail here (which I won't), but the point is, I was not spiritual at all before then. That experience was the single most powerful moment I have experienced in my life. I chose to come back to earth and continue living my life. All without drugs. It was very real. More real the drug induced experiences in fact.
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: daytripper05]
#21928678 - 07/11/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yup same here
I had a spontaneous out of body experience about 24 years ago or so, I still remember it like a minute ago in full detail and all
Just left my body, no cravings, nothing, floated towards the ceiling then out the window in full daylight
I have since had 100s of lucid dreams flying around in my dreams as well, and they are as valuable for me as any trip
There are so many ways, there is not just 1 way
I believe they teach that in church too, because a christian that doesn't accept other's beliefs is not a true christian
Out of body is the most meaningful to me, nothing comes even close, that's why I remember it after 24 years Only had 1 in my life like that..
But many experiences have been quite close though, there are many ways to remember
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: daytripper05]
#21928689 - 07/11/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lessismore said: I can have a spiritual experience in 100s of ways , no drugs needed
I can have it on drugs too , but I wouldn't count on it , they often distort my mind/ego
But apparently you know 'the best way' of being spiritual, with drugs you say
So I should believe a preacher when he tells me hes a man of God because he has some cool spiritual dreams and reads the bible?
I agree that psychedelic experiences tend to weed out the frauds and TV preachers. But...
Not everyone who has a spiritual experience without drugs believes in the bible. I almost died in 2006. I talked to an entity that called herself "god". Yes it was a "she". I was literally out of my body. I could see my body in third person, yet I was still viewing the world from my own eyes. I could go into great detail here (which I won't), but the point is, I was not spiritual at all before then. That experience was the single most powerful moment I have experienced in my life. I chose to come back to earth and continue living my life. All without drugs. It was very real. More real the drug induced experiences in fact.
But I can also say that not all people that don't use psychs that consider themselves spiritual has had an experience like yours.
of course there are situations like yours but its VERY rare. dying and coming back to life is far from common 
so I mean technically its possible to have a spiritual experience just as great if not greater than a psychedelic experience but its very rare. There are no dreams that can compare to psychs. There are no anything...besides maybe literally dying and coming back to life.
Im talking about the average experiences that non-psych users consider spiritual.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: I just tried dmt and I can't believe it [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21928734 - 07/11/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's pretty simple to me and it's pretty logical to me. In the most simple terms I view it like so:
Aall of life's emotions, observations, and experiences (psychedelic or not) are really just a vast network of neurons firing of the brain to pain the illusion of what is happening in our reality. Various experience can trigger various emotional responses, some with incredible regularity. We all have things we can do that increase joy, happiness, sadness, and sorrow. Drugs do the same thing, except in an even more reliable fashion. Drugs consistently make the same set of neurons fire to produce a familiar experience.
It's my belief that since it's all neurochemistry, it's possible that we can experience the effects of these drugs without ever taking them. If the one in a million chance occur in just the right way, people leave their bodies and experience incredible things. Other experience literally have led to super human strength with adrenaline. All without drugs. Now, this has nothing to do with spirituality.
But if we can conclude that if our brains are capable of producing very real yet seemingly impossible scenarios, then certainly people can experience the same level of profoundness in terms if spirituality from their experiences.
I think it's more common than people realize. It's our culture and society that suppresses free thought and critical thinking. Even people on this forum do it often. Yet, if we lived in a society where people were open hearing about these experiences from others without getting ridiculed, then it would seem more common. I bet children have these experiences all the time. Yet adults just tell them it's "their imagination".
Hard to make the point in text without using spoken words and emotion. But I think you can get the idea of the point I am trying to make.
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Happy to hear you finally got to experience the spirit molecule! Remarkable to think such a substance is produced in our brains daily.
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