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OfflineRebelutionsssss
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Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants
    #21919777 - 07/09/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This dude apparently got a shit ton of people hooked on Mexican heroin which he smuggled back and also was caught running a bho lab with 400 plants on his property. He was being watched by the cops for most of the time he was doing this :lol: including countless drug deals and a trip from Mexico back to the Bay Area. I'm so glad when cops actually catch people that deserve to be caught instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 26
    #21919812 - 07/09/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

WTF man where do you think you get your drugs? The fucking drug fairy doesn't leave them under your pillow. You should be ashamed at being happy this guy got busted. :kingcrankey:


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: r00tuuu123] * 3
    #21919824 - 07/09/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

For getting half my city hooked on heroin yea I'm fucking glad he got caught.... Not like he was doing any good for the community by spreading useful chemicals, instead he was poisoning his fellow man for his personal gain


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 13
    #21919835 - 07/09/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Getting half your city on heroin?

What did he do, make them do it at gunpoint?


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 8
    #21919841 - 07/09/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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For getting half my city hooked on heroin yea I'm fucking glad he got caught.... Not like he was doing any good for the community by spreading useful chemicals, instead he was poisoning his fellow man for his personal gain




You have a warped view of the world. Way to demonize this guy and throw out personal responsibility for the people who knowingly chose to use drugs, not forced.

My drugs are better then your drugs brah.

Serious though, I hope you get arrested with weed and psychedelics for having that attitude.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL]
    #21919852 - 07/09/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Getting half your city on heroin?

What did he do, make them do it at gunpoint?



He supplied most of the drug he didnt make them do it at gun point but he defiantly was a one stop shop


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21919859 - 07/09/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

2 keys is jack shit if it's a city above the population of 100,000. Someone will take his place by the end of the month.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: danielx]
    #21919865 - 07/09/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think a drug that addicting should be anywhere near people. What it turns it users into is disgusting. You could say my view is bias but would you want someone running around selling dirt cheap opiates to anyone that's willing to give it a try? I've never seen anyone steal from friends or prositute themselves to trip on acid.
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For getting half my city hooked on heroin yea I'm fucking glad he got caught.... Not like he was doing any good for the community by spreading useful chemicals, instead he was poisoning his fellow man for his personal gain




You have a warped view of the world. Way to demonize this guy and throw out personal responsibility for the people who knowingly chose to use drugs, not forced.

My drugs are better then your drugs brah.

Serious though, I hope you get arrested with weed and psychedelics for having that attitude.


and thanks man. I should just bail this guy out so he can continue to destroy people's lives huh


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: D.M.T]
    #21919868 - 07/09/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

2,000g of kilo bricked heroin is at least 8,000g by the time it hits the street.  That is AT LEAST 25% of the supply if you had to ask me


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 3
    #21919875 - 07/09/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but would you want someone running around selling dirt cheap opiates to anyone that's willing to give it a try?



Absolutely.

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I've never seen anyone steal from friends or prositute themselves to trip on acid



No, but I've seen a guy behead his girlfriend while on acid, or some psych, never seen someone on heroin do that.

I didn't really see it go down, but you get the point.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL]
    #21919880 - 07/09/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

acid isnt even that great. i'd much rather have plentiful opiates than plentiful psychedelics

either way, it won't make a difference. you think that guy didnt have friends who are ready to step into his place?


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Adolin] * 1
    #21919884 - 07/09/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it never makes a difference,

They'e been doing big sweeps in my town targeting heroin, since they started I've obtained like 8 new dealers.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Adolin]
    #21919888 - 07/09/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Opiates are the downfall of man. I don't see anyone getting a better perspective on life while drooling on themselves and chasing their next bag of H


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 5
    #21919902 - 07/09/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yes, your drug is better than mine. i get that.


but like i said, this will make zero difference. all it did was ruin a dudes life.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21919907 - 07/09/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This dude apparently got a shit ton of people hooked on Mexican heroin which he smuggled back and also was caught running a bho lab with 400 plants on his property. He was being watched by the cops for most of the time he was doing this :lol: including countless drug deals and a trip from Mexico back to the Bay Area. I'm so glad when cops actually catch people that deserve to be caught instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.




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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 1
    #21919914 - 07/09/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Opiates are the downfall of man. I don't see anyone getting a better perspective on life while drooling on themselves and chasing their next bag of H



You've obviously never seen the last episode of House...


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Patlal]
    #21919915 - 07/09/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also, heroin and crack dealers are scum. They know what they are selling is dangerous. They know they are profiting off other people's misery. Then again they convince themselves it isn't wrong because "if not them, someone else would do it"


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #21919921 - 07/09/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's called free will, you don't have to do the drugs.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Patlal]
    #21919923 - 07/09/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No trying to act like I'm all high and mighty because I'm not, I'm just saying that once opiate addiction gets bad people could care less on who they hurt and that just makes me sad :frown:

Along with cocaine and other hard drugs along those lines. I just don't feel empathy for people that are prolonging others suffering


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21919932 - 07/09/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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2,000g of kilo bricked heroin is at least 8,000g by the time it hits the street.  That is AT LEAST 25% of the supply if you had to ask me



Depends how big of a town it is. There was a 2 kilo bust in rinky dink ass Maysville, KY a year ago and yet the usage has increased since then.

I live in a region with some of the highest rates of heroin abuse in the US, but they make multi-kilo busts several times a year.

In fact, there was a 3 ounce bust the other day near where I think AddyZomeD lives. Multi-ounce busts are like an every few week thing.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/3-suspects-arrested-after-butler-county-drug-bust/34037870


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL]
    #21919948 - 07/09/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Getting half your city on heroin?

What did he do, make them do it at gunpoint?



Right :lol:


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL]
    #21919950 - 07/09/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It's called free will, you don't have to do the drugs.




Obviously, at some point, you do.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #21919953 - 07/09/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It's called free will, you don't have to do the drugs.




Obviously, at some point, you do.



No, you really don't.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL] * 2
    #21919957 - 07/09/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, it never makes a difference,

They'e been doing big sweeps in my town targeting heroin, since they started I've obtained like 8 new dealers.




They can kill the king of Somalia, but after he is dead, all of his brothers, uncles, relatives are ready and willing to step into his shoes.
Same thing for drugs.
No matter how many dealers they arrest, it will never stop, it will never make it any better.

There will ALWAYS be all drugs, dealers, and users.
Thats the way humanity is.

All should be done, is educate on the effects, side effects, dangers, of each drug, and leave it alone.
Otherwise they are making it worse, putting people in jail/prison, causing conflict with the civilians.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: D.M.T]
    #21919959 - 07/09/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Butler county?

how do you know where i.....

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: SunnyD] * 2
    #21919962 - 07/09/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Serious though, I hope you get arrested with weed and psychedelics for having that attitude.


and thanks man. I should just bail this guy out so he can continue to destroy people's lives huh



Does what drug he was caught with really matter? Nobody made those fucks use. And do you actually think that the cops and DAs give a shit about drug users of any kind?


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: SunnyD] * 1
    #21919974 - 07/09/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Butler county?

how do you know where i.....

:wink:



Oh, we're talking about my state.

Wtf, OP, don't be glad someone in my state got caught, that's BS.

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21919984 - 07/09/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No I just don't think heroin should be widely available. Sorry you want me in jail, I hope you live an incarceration free life.

And I'm talking about guernville in California :lol: I guess shits getting cracked down on all over


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21919992 - 07/09/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No I just don't think heroin should be widely available



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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL]
    #21920013 - 07/09/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Because Most people don't have the will power to be casual users and become dangerously addicted to the substance putting the drug above their mental and physical health. I'm not saying it's only opiates by the way just heroin is one of the main ones.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 6
    #21920025 - 07/09/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, you just don't hear about the casual users, they're out there.

Besides, who the fuck are you to say what someone can and can't put in their own body?


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 1
    #21920032 - 07/09/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Because Most people don't have the will power to be casual users and become dangerously addicted to the substance putting the drug above their mental and physical health. I'm not saying it's only opiates by the way just heroin is one of the main ones.





And all of what you just said is why the dealer isn't the problem.  IT's the users.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL]
    #21920043 - 07/09/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not telling anyone what they can and can't do. It's my opinion. I've just never met a legitimately happy heroin user. I'm sure they're out there I'm just saying the majority become addicted to that dopamine rush and it's very very hard for them to stop.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 2
    #21920050 - 07/09/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I still think all drugs should be legal including heroin. Purity would be much more tightly controlled and more money could be spent on education and treatment rather than criminalization.
In Portugal after they decriminalized all drugs, addicts went down, overall drug use went down, crime went down, HIV rates went down. It has only helped things.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #21920065 - 07/09/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I still think all drugs should be legal including heroin. Purity would be much more tightly controlled and more money could be spent on education and treatment rather than criminalization.
In Portugal after they decriminalized all drugs, addicts went down, overall drug use went down, crime went down, HIV rates went down. It has only helped things.



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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL] * 5
    #21920076 - 07/09/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If people want to overdose and die on heroin so be it, they will do it whether its illegal or not.
At least if it's legal there would be better resources available to deal with it, and people would have access to purer products without having to deal with the black market.
When something isn't stigmatized it becomes less interesting to many people. I think there would be less heroin addicts if heroin was legal.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Shroomism]
    #21920087 - 07/09/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I still think all drugs should be legal including heroin. Purity would be much more tightly controlled and more money could be spent on education and treatment rather than criminalization.
In Portugal after they decriminalized all drugs, addicts went down, overall drug use went down, crime went down, HIV rates went down. It has only helped things.



I'll agree and admit I shouldn't have bashed the dealer so much. Although I dont condone the use of heroin I'll admit it's inevitably up to the user on what they put in their body.


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    #21920093 - 07/09/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i am addicted to pods... who should i blame for my addiction? nature? God? the person who grow them?? NO, it was ME, i am at fault, no one else, does not matter who supplied whatever


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    #21920099 - 07/09/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL]
    #21920248 - 07/09/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Shit man....in Baltimore they give (testers)...free samples to anyone and everyone that walks up sometimes...If they do that with crack....dudes will be back jonesin' with cash in a half hour...lol.

I really don't think the pharmaceuticals are any better though...Drs. give sample drugs all the time.

Personally, though...I think they should all be legal...cut the murdering scum out of the mix and at least get some tax revenue from it. People should have a choice as to what chems they put in themselves.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 7
    #21920272 - 07/09/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This dude apparently got a shit ton of people hooked on Mexican heroin which he smuggled back and also was caught running a bho lab with 400 plants on his property. He was being watched by the cops for most of the time he was doing this :lol: including countless drug deals and a trip from Mexico back to the Bay Area. I'm so glad when cops actually catch people that deserve to be caught instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.




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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: propensity]
    #21920393 - 07/09/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pffftt.

Im with OP.


Fuck heroin.  Rot in jail scum bag.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist] * 5
    #21920436 - 07/09/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Pffftt.

Im with OP.


Fuck heroin.  Rot in jail scum bag.




I can see why people deciding your life for you could be appealing to the weak, small minded and afraid.

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: propensity]
    #21920454 - 07/09/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not doing heroin is a kindergarten baby world :ilold:


Please make me LOL again :lol:


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist] * 2
    #21920467 - 07/09/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Incarcerating people for choosing to do things with their own bodies is totally the same as "not doing heroin", whatever the fuck that means.

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21920482 - 07/09/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

maybe he didnt deserve jail time,

but imho ur right about him being a scumbag for selling addicting and dangerous products to random people who arent in any real physical pain, or arent really qualified to be taking such things, and all for money

everyone is guilty

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: propensity]
    #21920489 - 07/09/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Incarcerating people for choosing to do things with their own bodies is totally the same as "not doing heroin", whatever the fuck that means.

No point in arguing with you, though.





Where does it say he was doing the heroin himself?  Show me.


Hes a piece of shit for selling such a terrible drug.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #21920497 - 07/09/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the people making and selling the drug are dicks

the people buying it are dicks

and those people locking other people up for doing it are also dicks

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: zZZz] * 4
    #21920499 - 07/09/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why has everyone forgotten that personal responsibility is a thing?

It's up to the consumer to know the significance of what they are consuming. How is he a scumbag for selling a product that people desire?

If it was this evil substance no one wanted to do that he had to somehow trick people into doing, he wouldn't be selling it because there would be no money in it.

People do heroin. Making it illegal just makes it dangerous as fuck. I don't understand how people on a drug forum don't get this basic tenet and continually argue in favor of prohibition.

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: propensity] * 1
    #21920514 - 07/09/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: propensity]
    #21920547 - 07/09/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Why has everyone forgotten that personal responsibility is a thing?

It's up to the consumer to know the significance of what they are consuming. How is he a scumbag for selling a product that people desire?

If it was this evil substance no one wanted to do that he had to somehow trick people into doing, he wouldn't be selling it because there would be no money in it.

People do heroin. Making it illegal just makes it dangerous as fuck. I don't understand how people on a drug forum don't get this basic tenet and continually argue in favor of prohibition.

I guess I forget how powerful propaganda can be.





Damn, makin me LOL again.


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If it was this evil substance no one wanted to do that he had to somehow trick people into doing, he wouldn't be selling it because there would be no money in it.




Are you kidding?  It's addictive as fuck, he doesnt have to trick shit.  He sells it because there is money to be made.

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It's up to the consumer to know the significance of what they are consuming. How is he a scumbag for selling a product that people desire?




Its a drug that can ruin your entire life.  He knowingly selling something that destroys people who can't help themselves because they are addicted.  I bet he looked into the eyes of mothers, daughters, sons, fathers with a big smile as they handed him the cash.


Where is the propaganda you speak of?  Can you honestly say Heroin is GOOD?


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #21920551 - 07/09/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think the guy who got arrested is a great guy and I feel bad that he was caught. I love drug dealers. They risk their freedom so we can get high, and I know, it's obviously a business too. Heroin isn't really my thing, but I don't care if other people use it or sell it. If they're in physical or mental pain and want some relief from hash or heroin it isn't my place to judge them for that.

I'm always shocked when I hear people are prohibitionists on shroomery. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. You know there are tons of people that think you should spend your life in jail because you smoke weed or ate mushrooms once. This isn't any different except that it isn't your drug of choice.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus] * 1
    #21920568 - 07/09/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the guy who got arrested is a great guy and I feel bad that he was caught. I love drug dealers. They risk their freedom so we can get high, and I know, it's obviously a business too. Heroin isn't really my thing, but I don't care if other people use it or sell it. If they're in physical or mental pain and want some relief from hash or heroin it isn't my place to judge them for that.

I'm always shocked when I hear people are prohibitionists on shroomery. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. You know there are tons of people that think you should spend your life in jail because you smoke weed or ate mushrooms once. This isn't any different except that it isn't your drug of choice.





Literally dont even try to compare heroin to weed or shrooms.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #21920586 - 07/09/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Based on some peoples logic in this thread, every bartender in the world deserves to rot in jail/prison. Ignorance is strong in this thread.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #21920592 - 07/09/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why not? People occasionally freak out and eat people's still beating hearts on mushrooms.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist] * 3
    #21920614 - 07/09/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha, what is this notion that they can't help themselves? That's what I'm talking about.

You paint these people like helpless zombies. They made the choices that got them where they are. Why is the blame all his?

Edit: And of course you completely glossed over my point that making it illegal just makes it more dangerous.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist]
    #21920619 - 07/09/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the guy who got arrested is a great guy and I feel bad that he was caught. I love drug dealers. They risk their freedom so we can get high, and I know, it's obviously a business too. Heroin isn't really my thing, but I don't care if other people use it or sell it. If they're in physical or mental pain and want some relief from hash or heroin it isn't my place to judge them for that.

I'm always shocked when I hear people are prohibitionists on shroomery. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. You know there are tons of people that think you should spend your life in jail because you smoke weed or ate mushrooms once. This isn't any different except that it isn't your drug of choice.





Literally dont even try to compare heroin to weed or shrooms.




The psychological aspect addiction is the worst part of any addiction. MANY people find weed mentally addicting and it's hard to quit using, the same applies to heroin and GABAs...


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: propensity] * 1
    #21920624 - 07/09/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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People do heroin. Making it illegal just makes it dangerous as fuck.




not true bro. there's places in the world where it is not criminalized but yet poverty is strong amongst them, their whole families are addicted to the opium, kids, grandparents, everyone has to smoke opium everyday cuz if they stop they go into withdrawals and possibly die. so u have like moms smoking out their kids with opium cuz they;re hooked.

btw ur heroin use is showing..


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    #21920631 - 07/09/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Why not? People occasionally freak out and eat people's still beating hearts on mushrooms.




yea but it's not like an everyday thing

like on heroin a heart gets eaten out every second


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: D.M.T]
    #21920637 - 07/09/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Then tell me why they aren't comparable. They are all illegal drugs. If misused they could all lead to death or something worse. You just do one drug and not the other. I guess that makes heroin bad. What drugs are ok to sell and which aren't?

Heroin is just more demonized and you guys are hearing it so much that you believe it.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: zZZz]
    #21920638 - 07/09/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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People do heroin. Making it illegal just makes it dangerous as fuck.




not true bro. there's places in the world where it is not criminalized but yet poverty is strong amongst them, their whole families are addicted to the opium, kids, grandparents, everyone has to smoke opium everyday cuz if they stop they go into withdrawals and possibly die. so u have like moms smoking out their kids with opium cuz they;re hooked.

btw ur heroin use is showing..




The fuck are you talking about? Opium is not heroin. What would you have the world do, completely eradicate the opium poppy from existence so poor people can't do it?

Furthermore, that has no bearing on my statement that making it illegal makes it more dangerous, which is indisputable. If it was legal people could get cleanly produced, perfectly measured product of a constant potency. There would be no change in potency between batches, and the risk of overdose would be reduced to people who can't read packaging.

But as it stands, people rely on variable and adulterated supplies of black tar weirdness and die constantly because of it. And they die because of ignorant people like you.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: propensity] * 1
    #21920641 - 07/09/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Why has everyone forgotten that personal responsibility is a thing?

It's up to the consumer to know the significance of what they are consuming. How is he a scumbag for selling a product that people desire?

If it was this evil substance no one wanted to do that he had to somehow trick people into doing, he wouldn't be selling it because there would be no money in it.

People do heroin. Making it illegal just makes it dangerous as fuck. I don't understand how people on a drug forum don't get this basic tenet and continually argue in favor of prohibition.

I guess I forget how powerful propaganda can be.





you have a point, though at the same time, there are those that specifically sell these often heavily addictive substances because they know their customer base will keep coming back because they are stuck in self-destructive cycle. in short, they don't care about the people they are selling to. the responsible thing to do would be not to sell these substances in the first place. no, he didn't trick anyone into doing it more than likely... but he did prey on a weak area of the consumer market. addiction is a real disease my friend, and i think that's what's really skewed/fucked up about that.

but yeah, i agree. prohibition only really increases the allure of these substances, and gives way to organized and often violent crime. if people could get these substances without having to worry about purity or going through some thug on the street, i'm sure we wouldn't see the ailments we see today in society regarding drugs in general.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: propensity] * 3
    #21920643 - 07/09/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

heroin is one of the worst drugs to ever get addicted to. You must have never dealt with addicts if you think it's not that bad. Btw no one chooses to be an addict . Have you never heard that before. That is how strong heroin really is. Plus 80% of heroin addicts start before their frontal lobe even develops so the majority of that heroin that guy was selling was going straight to young adults. I can't even count how many people I know who have died from heroin.

Also it isn't that shroomy to sell drugs for profit when you know half of all the people your selling it to are going to wind up dead.


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    #21920647 - 07/09/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What drugs are ok to sell and which aren't?





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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21920649 - 07/09/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I still think all drugs should be legal including heroin. Purity would be much more tightly controlled and more money could be spent on education and treatment rather than criminalization.
In Portugal after they decriminalized all drugs, addicts went down, overall drug use went down, crime went down, HIV rates went down. It has only helped things.



I'll agree and admit I shouldn't have bashed the dealer so much. Although I dont condone the use of heroin I'll admit it's inevitably up to the user on what they put in their body.




Where does that end though? Are we going to regulate anything that's bad for what people put in their own bodies?
Tylenol kills hundreds of people a year.. you can buy that at CVS. Alcohol is THE most harmful drug to society and it's legal. Should we also ban fast food? And fat.. and sugar..
cigarettes kill millions of people, you can get it at any gas station or anywhere.
It's a slippery slope that one, if one wants to be consistent. You can't just say some potentially harmful things should be banned without banning all potentially harmful things and stripping everyone's personal freedom. I believe people should have the right to choose what they put in their own bodies.

Prohibition of alcohol didn't work. They tried that already. Gangsters took over, the shit went black market, crime skyrocketed. They realized their mistake.
Then they started prohibiting other drugs. Except this has been going on for like 80 years now, this war on drugs has done absolutely nothing to help anything except ruin even more lives, drugs are never going away. The madness must end.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Shroomism]
    #21920669 - 07/09/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Alright.  Everyone do heroin and report back.  Wait, you wont.  Youre gonna sell your computer, your phone and everything you own to feed your addiction.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Gorlax] * 1
    #21920671 - 07/09/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I always here that argument and I'm up for legalizing drugs to an extent. You have to understand that some drugs just shouldn't be accessible to people. When we flooded china with opium they were fucked. When all these drugs were legal pre 1904 or some shit everyone was getting addicted to them. It was a disaster. Alcohol can't be illegal because it's culturally engrained into us since biblical times. Heroin and other hard drugs have always had a stigma and for a righteous reason.

We should just sell fentanyl at the gas station. Is basically the counter argument to that.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist]
    #21920676 - 07/09/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you think I'm advocating doing heroin you need to learn how to read.
I'm saying freedom is important and the war on drugs does absolutely nothing to help addicts, show me how I'm wrong.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #21920684 - 07/09/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i think dealing heroin is just as bad as dealing alcohol,

but i dont think people should be locked up for it

but i also dont think we should allow these substances to destroy our wonderful communities

fact of the matter is, some drugs are better than others, like weed, weed is the universal drug and if we're going to allow any drugs it is most definitely going to be weed


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #21920685 - 07/09/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In shanghi there's story's of fathers selling their daughters to buy more opium. Any drug that can turn you to selling everything you have including your body just because you want the drug so bad is evil in my eyes.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21920693 - 07/09/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Something about heroin makes you a lying fucking thief. Almost all property crime and theft is by drug abusers... that just sums up a lot right there.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: zZZz]
    #21920697 - 07/09/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I bet the heroin dealer had hella guns on him.  The drugs shouldent have gotten him locked up but if he had unregistered guns yep throw him in jail


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Gorlax]
    #21920700 - 07/09/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Something about heroin makes you a lying fucking thief. Almost all property crime and theft is by drug abusers... that just sums up a lot right there.





Yep.  Every heroin user ive known was a god damn thief


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: zZZz]
    #21920711 - 07/09/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What drugs are ok to sell and which aren't?





weed




That is so dumb it has to be a joke right? Weed can kill irresponsible people and it is super addicting too. It's not much different than heroin.

What if you have a kidney stone or toothache? Is it ok to sell opiates to someone then?

What if you need surgery? Is it ok to sell benzos and ketamine to your patient?

Some people need to buy heroin off the street and some don't. If you don't need to than good for you, but don't try to run/ruin other peoples life.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #21920715 - 07/09/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What drugs are ok to sell and which aren't?





weed




Weed can kill irresponsible people and it is super addicting too. It's not much different than heroin.






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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #21920717 - 07/09/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Weed is definitely way different than heroin. You can't take too much weed and die.

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Gorlax]
    #21920719 - 07/09/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I always here that argument and I'm up for legalizing drugs to an extent. You have to understand that some drugs just shouldn't be accessible to people. When we flooded china with opium they were fucked. When all these drugs were legal pre 1904 or some shit everyone was getting addicted to them. It was a disaster. Alcohol can't be illegal because it's culturally engrained into us since biblical times. Heroin and other hard drugs have always had a stigma and for a righteous reason.

We should just sell fentanyl at the gas station. Is basically the counter argument to that.





i don't think it was well understood what addiction was back then. you have to realize how far we've come regarding literature for substance abuse.

a much more favorable scenario would be to have all drugs legalized and to properly educate the public about the real dangers of them, no one belongs in fucking jail for doing drugs anyway... they belong in treatment centers if they are experiencing life problems.

some people don't do certain drugs because they are aware of the inherent risks of doing them... some people ignore that risk. but whether drugs are illegal or legal, has no bearing on them getting them and doing them if they really really want to try them.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus] * 1
    #21920720 - 07/09/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What drugs are ok to sell and which aren't?





weed




That is so dumb it has to be a joke right? Weed can kill irresponsible people and it is super addicting too. It's not much different than heroin.
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LMFAO you just lost all credibility.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: 404]
    #21920725 - 07/09/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well said. That's what I didn't feel like typing out. I don't get what is so hard to understand about that.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Shroomism]
    #21920745 - 07/09/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can't take too much weed and die, but if you aren't being responsible you could get into a situation where you die. If you are driving and take a huge dab you could black out for a second and crash. It happened to me, but I wasn't driving. You could smoke, then get dizzy, then fall down some stairs. That happened to a friend, but he didn't die. Its quite a stretch, I know, and I'm still going to stand by it. It also is very addicting and many people spend all their money on it. When it comes to stuff that is prohibited, I think weed and heroin are very comparable.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #21920764 - 07/09/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can also breath too fast and get dizzy.  Get up too fast and black for a sec.


Still not comparable.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: 404]
    #21920769 - 07/09/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i agree on educating the public, but then again, arent there already several treatment facilities all around the world, and tons and tons of accurate info, not just propganda, on these drugs?. yet people still choose to ignore them. which means it;s not just prohibition that is fucking people up, the problem is that people just dont give a fuck. u;ve got lifers in prison doing hard time and they still dont seem to get the message,

the problem seems to lie much deeper than the drugs themselves although some drugs dont seem to help at all in that regard..

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist]
    #21920828 - 07/09/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You can also breath too fast and get dizzy.  Get up too fast and black for a sec.


Still not comparable.





I'm not saying weed is the same drug as heroin or has the same effects. I'm saying they are comparable because they are both illegal, very addictive, demonized, could be used medically, and the general population looks down on users of both drugs.
Not everyone who uses heroin gets addicted, starts robbing people, and ends up dead or in jail, but because a few people do you guys think everyone selling it deserves to spend life in prison. What about all the people they help who are in constant pain and can't afford to go to the hospital or a psychiatrist? It's not so black and white.

If heroin was legal it would be much safer to use and buy. Disease would go down. Crime would go down. We could have treatment programs to help people get off drugs. It is crazy not to legalize all drugs.

My brother is a heroin addict and he couldn't get treatment at a time he really wanted to go because it was so expensive. The cheapest place was around $30,000. There might have been a cheaper one, but the wait was months long for it.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #21920858 - 07/09/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The general population looks down on weed smokers? What world do you live in? In this day and age you're more likely than not to run in to a pot head. Soo many people have at least tried it.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21920900 - 07/09/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I still hear people bashing pot heads all the time. A lot of the younger people are ok with weed, but I would still say that most people aren't ok with people getting high all the time. I live on Earth where weed is illegal in most places. If I surround myself with stoners then yeah it seems like everyone smokes. Although I do service work and I would say like 90% of the houses I go to are weed free.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #21920912 - 07/09/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I work in customer service. I think I have a pretty firm grasp of how many people smoke weed.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21921044 - 07/09/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I live in a different country than you so that might be why, or maybe your job just attracts a lot of stoners, but anyways weed is still illegal in most places so I think its fair to say that there are still many many people who look down on cannabis users. I don't look down on them because I am one of them. I do notice people judging stoners all the time or saying something to me, about them, because they don't think I smoke.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Gorlax]
    #21921111 - 07/09/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Heroin and other hard drugs have always had a stigma and for a righteous reason.






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    #21921262 - 07/09/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Gorlax, what is in your profile pic and sig?

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist] * 4
    #21922583 - 07/09/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:huxleyfacepalm:

Alright.  Everyone do heroin and report back.  Wait, you wont.  Youre gonna sell your computer, your phone and everything you own to feed your addiction.




Lol, if you only knew how many people on the shroomery are addicted to opiates.

Alcohol is just as addictive and deadly as heroin. By your logic are bar tenders all evil people too? Of course not, but the propaganda on drugs is so strong that even in a community full of drug users you have rampant ignorance.

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: danielx]
    #21922611 - 07/09/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

im having trouble seeing straight lol


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21922615 - 07/09/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.



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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: plambe]
    #21922829 - 07/10/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can't blame the heroin or the guy. Blame the circumstances that lead people to start abusing heroin. Maybe there is a lack of jobs in your town, maybe people are depressed. These are the key problems. It's easy to blame a dealer or the drug itself but what we really need to look at is why people do heroin and other addictive substances. Obviously the warm feeling is enough to fill the void for what ever people are missing in their lives.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: plambe]
    #21922876 - 07/10/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.



Are you referring to yourself?



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instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.



Are you referring to yourself?



No



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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21923225 - 07/10/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He didn't get anyone hooked on drugs, they chose to use so it's their own damn fault.



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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: danielx]
    #21923278 - 07/10/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Lol, if you only knew how many people on the shroomery are addicted to opiates.

Alcohol is just as addictive and deadly as heroin.




I feel like a lot of Shroomerites are addicted to opiates because they have people like you in their ear saying stupid shit like this.  Alcohol is deadly, but don't ever equate it to heroin.  That's just stupid and irresponsible. 
















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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Learyfan]
    #21923879 - 07/10/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok ok he didn't force heroin down anyone's throat and I was wrong for saying that he got my town hooked but he definately wast helping by selling the stuff. Obviously there's always going to be a supplier but by semi limiting the amount of suppliers and availability It might just save a few lives of curious users that are on the edge. Obviously if someone's heart is set on it, they'll find it.

In the end I do feel that only information and harm reduction will save lives, sorry for coming off so judgmental before :sad:


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    #21923899 - 07/10/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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For getting half my city hooked on heroin yea I'm fucking glad he got caught.... Not like he was doing any good for the community by spreading useful chemicals, instead he was poisoning his fellow man for his personal gain





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Lol, if you only knew how many people on the shroomery are addicted to opiates.

Alcohol is just as addictive and deadly as heroin.




I feel like a lot of Shroomerites are addicted to opiates because they have people like you in their ear saying stupid shit like this.  Alcohol is deadly, but don't ever equate it to heroin.  That's just stupid and irresponsible. 




No, it's not.

They're both addictive drugs, why most people die from heroin is because it's an unregulated street drug, so its potency varies greatly, that could be changed by making it legal and regulating it, they have virtually no long-term adverse physical effects.

Opiates don't ruin your organs like alcohol does, and generally people don't get high on heroin and do stupid shit, like drive into and kill innocent people.

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL]
    #21924166 - 07/10/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can die from quitting alcohol, but quitting heroin at any stage of addiction will only lead to improvement.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: D.M.T]
    #21924284 - 07/10/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

quitting alcohol will lead to improvement as well. delirium tremens can be medically managed.

heroin seems to be more addictive than alcohol. both are pretty bad in terms of health and costs on society, though alcohol probably beats out heroin in that department.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: 404]
    #21924340 - 07/10/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lots of people try alcohol and don't become addicted. Lots of people are exposed to various opiates/oids in medical settings without becoming addicted. Some of the people who try either of those things do develop full-blown addiction to them and are royally fucked. With heroin though, most people without a self-destructive bent don't try it in the first place because of the strong stigma against it. If a greater proportion of the people who try it become addicted compared to drugs that are more universally available, you have to consider who it is that tries it and why.


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Lol, if you only knew how many people on the shroomery are addicted to opiates.

Alcohol is just as addictive and deadly as heroin.




I feel like a lot of Shroomerites are addicted to opiates because they have people like you in their ear saying stupid shit like this.  Alcohol is deadly, but don't ever equate it to heroin.  That's just stupid and irresponsible. 





Yeah right, people are addicted to opiates because of other peoples opinions on a message board, not because its a highly desirable and enjoyable drug.

You are flat out wrong. Alcohol is far harder on the body then opiates. Alcohol withdrawals kill people, heroin withdrawals dont. Alcohol is also much harder on the body, but don't take it from me, read about it on google from doctors

But you have a bias against heroin, thusly you somehow think alcohol is so much more evil. Tell that to the people who have loved ones as alcoholics, died from alcohol, or are themselves alcoholics.

Its hilarious how staunchly liberal and cool people are about drugs, except when it comes to drugs they dont like. Then of course it should be illegal, demonized, and locked up for right?


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No, it's not.

They're both addictive drugs, why most people die from heroin is because it's an unregulated street drug, so its potency varies greatly




I agree for the most part.  Heroin is still way more addictive than alcohol (duh), but it wouldn't be nearly as bad for you if it were regulated.  But it's not.  So when I say heroin is way worse for you, I'm talking about heroin now.  Not heroin in a fantasy world where it's legal. 


















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It should be legal for any adult stupid enough to do it.  Then maybe it wouldn't be quite as bad.  But it is currently very illegal and your chances of ending up in prison or in the cemetery are way, way higher than alcohol.  Either because you get caught possessing it, selling it or stealing stuff or robbing people to get the money.  And it's more deadly because until it's legal, you have no idea what you're getting. 













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danielx said:Its hilarious how staunchly liberal and cool people are about drugs, except when it comes to drugs they dont like. Then of course it should be illegal, demonized, and locked up for right?




It should be legal for any adult stupid enough to do it.  Then maybe it wouldn't be quite as bad.  But it is currently very illegal and your chances of ending up in prison or in the cemetery are way, way higher than alcohol.  Either because you get caught possessing it, selling it or stealing stuff or robbing people to get the money.  And it's more deadly because until it's legal, you have no idea what you're getting. 





even if it's legal it's not going to stop crime. people will still steal to get their fix from their legal source, we'll still have addicts, people neglecting themselves as well as their loved ones, and maybe folks will kill themselves alot slower too..


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    #21925604 - 07/10/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Heroin is bad news, it comes and goes where I live and you can literally see ppls health go to shit in a hurry. That's one drug I believe should be wiped off the planet.


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I agree for the most part.  Heroin is still way more addictive than alcohol (duh), but it wouldn't be nearly as bad for you if it were regulated.  But it's not.  So when I say heroin is way worse for you, I'm talking about heroin now.  Not heroin in a fantasy world where it's legal.

It should be legal for any adult stupid enough to do it.  Then maybe it wouldn't be quite as bad.  But it is currently very illegal and your chances of ending up in prison or in the cemetery are way, way higher than alcohol.  Either because you get caught possessing it, selling it or stealing stuff or robbing people to get the money.  And it's more deadly because until it's legal, you have no idea what you're getting. 




Cannabis is too high on this list. But alcohol is right where it should be.





In terms of overall cost to and harm to society and its users.. alcohol is the most destructive drug on the planet.
This is heroin now, with it being illegal and alcohol legal. If heroin was legal the purity could be more closely controlled and deaths would go down.

Personally I've lost more friends and family to alcohol than I have to heroin. It's a fucking destructive ass drug. Worse than heroin. It's legal.

Because alcohol is "socially acceptable" is no excuse. If alcohol should be allowed to be legal, so should heroin and crack and PCP and everything else.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Shroomism]
    #21925797 - 07/10/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

maybe they can make drinks with low amounts of heroin, sell it like alcohol

ur right tho, if alcohol is legal, so should heroin, but not in it;s purest form tho..

i dont think it is a good solution, to regulate and sell the drug, but it is a good to solution to some of the problems we have now.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21926098 - 07/10/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Heroin is bad news, it comes and goes where I live and you can literally see ppls health go to shit in a hurry. That's one drug I believe should be wiped off the planet.




All natural opium pods are just as addictive if not more addictive because of the long half life. Should we irradicate that too? I don't think anyone here is arguing heroin isn't destructive/addictive to a community; however, I think it gets a bad rap over other just as dangerous drugs just because of stigmatism and propaganda. You can't legislate morality, nor can you irradicate drugs from the planet. Harm reduction is the best we can hope for.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: danielx]
    #21926135 - 07/10/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

our best bet is to keep bringing up alcohol and how it's really bad, just as bad as heroin, if not worse, yet still legal

we must take this up to the alcohol lobbyist

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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: danielx]
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Heroin is bad news, it comes and goes where I live and you can literally see ppls health go to shit in a hurry. That's one drug I believe should be wiped off the planet.




All natural opium pods are just as addictive if not more addictive because of the long half life. Should we irradicate that too? I don't think anyone here is arguing heroin isn't destructive/addictive to a community; however, I think it gets a bad rap over other just as dangerous drugs just because of stigmatism and propaganda. You can't legislate morality, nor can you irradicate drugs from the planet. Harm reduction is the best we can hope for.




Yeah people kind of make it sound like heroin is uniquely addictive over and above other opiates. Seems like it's more that it's a drug that nobody tries unless they don't give a shit about wrecking their life with opiate addiction, unlike the less stigmatized opiates used in medicine that many have tried but a much smaller proportion seem to go nuts with.


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    #21926267 - 07/10/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Any drug that can turn a prom queen into a drugged out whore sucking dick for a fix should be eradicated


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21926352 - 07/10/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This dude apparently got a shit ton of people hooked on Mexican heroin which he smuggled back and also was caught running a bho lab with 400 plants on his property. He was being watched by the cops for most of the time he was doing this :lol: including countless drug deals and a trip from Mexico back to the Bay Area. I'm so glad when cops actually catch people that deserve to be caught instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.




Wow, you REALLY dont understand whats going on here, huh?

The people who were buying heroin from him WANTED heroin. He didnt force them to buy it from them. He was doing them a public service. I doubt many people got addicted simply because he was selling.

What arresting him actually did, was make it harder for addicts to find heroin. Think thats good? Addicts dont stop being addicts because heroin is harder to find, they just have to work harder to find it.

Why is this bad? Potentially buying from undercovers, getting shot from bad deals with shady dealers, getting ripped off, overdosing because they bought from a new source with more potent heroin than that guy had.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #21926359 - 07/10/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Anyway if he had keys im sure he sold to dealers rather than addicts. That makes this even worse, i wonder how many dealers he was supplying that no longer have a supplier. Now all the people each of those dealers were selling to no longer are getting dope. They are dope sick now. Great job cops.


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Fuck heroin period




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    #21926403 - 07/10/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Any drug that can turn a prom queen into a drugged out whore sucking dick for a fix should be eradicated



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Fuck heroin period




Yeah, no one needs that impure shit. Oxys are the shit.



Oxys are garbage. Fentanyl and Acetyl fentanyl is where it's at.


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    #21926415 - 07/10/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You guys obviously don't know how bad all that shit is for you lol. Kinda sad actually. But to each his own I guess...


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If you use fentanyl in it's pure HCl and it doesn't kill you, then obviously you do know how dangerous it is, because you took proper precautions in administering it safely.


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would you really take an equianalgesic amount of fentanyl over oxycodone though?

ive had fent once, and it felt weird as hell. nothing like regular opiates. it actually felt alot like a high dose of Suboxone, but didnt hast anywhere near as long.

but it was only a small corner from a patch, so, i dont have a lot of experience with it i suppose


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    #21928962 - 07/11/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You guys keep siting stats showing that heroin is less dangerous than alcohol.  What those studies don't take into account is the destruction that being arrested does to a person and their family.  And I doubt they're taking into account people getting dangerous cutting agents in their smack.  Again, we're not talking about a fantasy world in which heroin is legal and pure.  We're talking about heroin now. 

Let me just asking this simple question.  Pretend you have teenage children.  They sit a beer on the table and a heroin needle on the table and you have to choose which they use.  You have to choose one.  Which road do you choose for them? 
















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    #21929022 - 07/11/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would let them choose for themselves, or give them both. What possible reason could there be I'd have to choose one?

Well, if I had to choose one it really depends on what kind of beer it is.


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    #21929094 - 07/11/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Apparently you're suppose to offer the heroin needle to them




Duh.  It's obviously the safer route.  Haven't you seen the stats?

D.M.T. - It's whatever is the shittiest beer you can think of then.  How about that.  And you have to choose one road only to send your own flesh and blood down.















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    #21929156 - 07/11/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh definitely the heroin then. I couldn't allow my flesh and blood to drink shitty beer when there's something better on the table. That's an insult to beer, and I'd only want the best for my children.

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Lol, if you only knew how many people on the shroomery are addicted to opiates.

Alcohol is just as addictive and deadly as heroin.




I feel like a lot of Shroomerites are addicted to opiates because they have people like you in their ear saying stupid shit like this.  Alcohol is deadly, but don't ever equate it to heroin.  That's just stupid and irresponsible. 




No, it's not.

They're both addictive drugs, why most people die from heroin is because it's an unregulated street drug, so its potency varies greatly, that could be changed by making it legal and regulating it, they have virtually no long-term adverse physical effects.

Opiates don't ruin your organs like alcohol does, and generally people don't get high on heroin and do stupid shit, like drive into and kill innocent people.

IMO, alcohol is worse, it slowly eats away at your physical health, opiates do not.





people can die from a single night of drinking just as with a single night of heroin

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people can die from a single night of drinking just as with a single night of heroin




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At least Heroin tastes better :shrug:


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This dude apparently got a shit ton of people hooked on Mexican heroin which he smuggled back and also was caught running a bho lab with 400 plants on his property. He was being watched by the cops for most of the time he was doing this :lol: including countless drug deals and a trip from Mexico back to the Bay Area. I'm so glad when cops actually catch people that deserve to be caught instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.




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At least Heroin tastes better :shrug:



Lol, that it does.

I've been getting some shit you can taste when you're crushing it up/getting it ready before you even go to snort it. It smells so delicious.

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This dude apparently got a shit ton of people hooked on Mexican heroin which he smuggled back and also was caught running a bho lab with 400 plants on his property. He was being watched by the cops for most of the time he was doing this :lol: including countless drug deals and a trip from Mexico back to the Bay Area. I'm so glad when cops actually catch people that deserve to be caught instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.




Yeah, what a terrible guy, selling drugs to people who wanted to buy those drugs. :rolleyes:



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This dude apparently got a shit ton of people hooked on Mexican heroin which he smuggled back and also was caught running a bho lab with 400 plants on his property. He was being watched by the cops for most of the time he was doing this :lol: including countless drug deals and a trip from Mexico back to the Bay Area. I'm so glad when cops actually catch people that deserve to be caught instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.




Yeah, what a terrible guy, selling drugs to people who wanted to buy those drugs. :rolleyes:



I wouldn't expect you to take any other side being as your a heroin addict.




Are you saying that it's my dealer's fault that I am hooked on heroin? Or was it my own personal choice to choose the addict lifestyle?

Fantastic, now that I know I have absolutely no responsibility for my actions, I can simply blame my dealer for all my problems. It wasn't me, it was my dealer! HE sold the drugs to me and got ME hooked!


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #21934659 - 07/12/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Fantastic, now that I know I have absolutely no responsibility for my actions, I can simply blame my dealer for all my problems. It wasn't me, it was my dealer! HE sold the drugs to me and got ME hooked!





isn't it awesome, being able to blame all your problems on someone else? :dawerp:


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Adolin]
    #21934667 - 07/12/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If a dealer never sold you heroin you wouldnt be hooked on it :shrug:


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    #21934674 - 07/12/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If a dealer never sold you heroin you wouldnt be hooked on it :shrug:





there will always be a need for opiates, and even if we could somehow stop all illicit sales, people would still become addicted to them

its a problem that can't be eliminated, only mitigated. this is not a perfect world.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Crystal G]
    #21934697 - 07/12/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We can blame this on dealers?

That's it, I'm about to call this dude up and give him a stern talking to for doing this to me, lol.

He should let me cop for free once for the hassle he's caused me.


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    #21934702 - 07/12/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If a dealer never sold you heroin you wouldnt be hooked on it :shrug:




You must not understand what drives addiction. I would have simply found something else to be hooked on to escape reality. Whether it be ketamine, meth, or something else.

I'm one of those people that shoots K all day and all night every hour of the day by the way. My tolerance got so high I was shooting 500mg doses and still barely getting high. Ever seen somebody on that much K try to function in life? It's not pretty, and actually way worse and more pathetic-looking than somebody with a dope habit. At least on dope, I can eat and work and function normally.


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speaking of heroin, check out this site, it's pretty funny

http://thatguysonheroin.com/


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If a dealer never sold you heroin you wouldnt be hooked on it :shrug:




You must not understand what drives addiction. I would have simply found something else to be hooked on to escape reality. Whether it be ketamine, meth, or something else.

I'm one of those people that shoots K all day and all night every hour of the day by the way. My tolerance got so high I was shooting 500mg doses and still barely getting high. Ever seen somebody on that much K try to function in life? It's not pretty, and actually way worse and more pathetic-looking than somebody with a dope habit. At least on dope, I can eat and work and function normally.


im sorry to hear that :sad: I hope you can find what you're looking for and beat that addiction :heart:


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    #21935896 - 07/13/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that demand often times carries with it a weak area of the consumer market. in some sense, it is not okay to supply someone that is killing themselves. i don't see how it is okay to give a product to someone that they intend to use that will further darken their universe and may ultimately lead to their own demise.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: 404] * 1
    #21935905 - 07/13/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, like those damned longhairs that run around poisoning our children with LSD!


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: 404]
    #21935907 - 07/13/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it is one thing to provide a product to someone who intends to be responsible. it is entirely another to supply a person who does not and is ultimately spiraling out of control. dealers don't often times give two fucks about who they are selling to, and i would suspect this type of mindset and behavior is more common with "hard" drugs.

is it okay to provide a gun to someone who intends to misuse the firearm? suicide, killing someone, whatever? no? the analogy carries over to substance abuse.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21935911 - 07/13/15 01:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, like those damned longhairs that run around poisoning our children with LSD!




i get what you are trying to poke fun at, but at the same time LSD is no different. however, lsd stands much more of a chance to provide some sort of critical change in a person's life, and is known to be far less addictive and detrimental to health than any hard substance... that really depends on the person. people do die on lsd, but not from the lsd itself.. typically crises arise when the person loses touch with reality to the degree where they think they can fly, or fight police, or whatever... so there's that.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: 404]
    #21935929 - 07/13/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

say you gave someone 25x-nbome and the blotter is laid unevenly as it oftentimes is... and they get a 3mg hit instead of a 500ug hit, with no previous experience with psychedelics. on top of that they have a pre-existing medical condition or whatever. they get rhabdomylosis after seizing out and die. are you responsible for facilitating their deaths?

lets make this more relative. say you KNEW about the pre-existing medical condition, but still decided to give them the substance anyway (this scenario is more relative given that a physical addiction with many hard drugs is often more visible, ie track marks, low body weight, trouble holding a job, other life problems)

are you responsible then? or are they responsible for putting it into their own body?

the heart of the issue here lies within prohibition itself. there are just going to be people who are going to look for things to get fucked up on. legalizing these substances and the use of substances takes away the harms of the black market. the impurities, the violence... and instead replaces these with pure products, safer places to consume these products.

"if a dealer never sold you dope you'd never be hooked on it" foolish statement right there. while there is some speck of truth to that, if you never put the substance in your body you'd never end up hooked on it. the final resoponsibility lies with the user and the user alone. this does not relinquish the initial responsibility of the dealer for facilitating hte experience in the first place.

doctors are pushing away from prescribing opiates for pain relief nowadays... and for good fucking reason. so many will tell you that they had problems after taking their pain meds or that they really really liked them.

i wanna go on but i feel like i'm beating a dead horse.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: 404] * 2
    #21935994 - 07/13/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We should lock up Ronald Mcdonald while we're at it. That cunt has been slangin' dangerous food for years! He's got the whole world hooked!


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Artnotwar]
    #21936012 - 07/13/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that's cute, but i'd argue it's not morally acceptable to continue selling a morbidly obese person double bacon cheeseburgers when they clearly have a problem

with that kind of logic, bar tenders should just keep slinging alcoholics drinks when they're already fucking blitzed instead of cutting them off.


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    #21936098 - 07/13/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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bar tenders should just keep slinging alcoholics drinks when they're already fucking blitzed instead of cutting them off.




Exactly.

If you're too fucking drunk, stop drinking. If you're too fucking fat, stop eating. People shouldn't need someone else to tell them when enough is enough.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL]
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Opiates are the downfall of man. I don't see anyone getting a better perspective on life while drooling on themselves and chasing their next bag of H



You've obviously never seen the last episode of House...




Lol holy shit, thats the best thing ive seen on the internet this morning.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: 404] * 1
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that demand often times carries with it a weak area of the consumer market. in some sense, it is not okay to supply someone that is killing themselves. i don't see how it is okay to give a product to someone that they intend to use that will further darken their universe and may ultimately lead to their own demise.





it's not OK to sell cars or alcohol or anything else that could be misused then,
how are you to know a person's intent, you're not a mind reader and it's this sort
of reasoning that has led to people being charged with manslaughter and serving
prison time simply because they sold a drug to someone who got themselves killed
while on it. if I sold you some pain ills and you decided to take to many and you
die, I could be charged, if I sell you drugs and you wrap your car around a tree
and die, again, I could be charged

when I buy drugs it is because I wanted to, not because someone made me do it,
if I choose to buy weed that's all on me, if I buy heroin again, it's all on me,
i's clear my intent would be to use the drugs and I dont need a drug dealer or
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Opiates are the downfall of man. I don't see anyone getting a better perspective on life while drooling on themselves and chasing their next bag of H



You've obviously never seen the last episode of House...




Lol holy shit, thats the best thing ive seen on the internet this morning.



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bar tenders should just keep slinging alcoholics drinks when they're already fucking blitzed instead of cutting them off.




People shouldn't need someone else to tell them when enough is enough.




They shouldn't but they often times do because people are dumb. That's why we have fucking therapists and life coaches.


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Something about heroin makes you a lying fucking thief. Almost all property crime and theft is by drug abusers... that just sums up a lot right there.





Yep.  Every heroin user ive known was a god damn thief




Huh thats funny. I was a junky for 2 years. Never stole a damn penny. Handled my business worked 2 jobs making good money. If i didnt have the money i was shit out of luck.

Some of the thoughts im reading in this thread are just :derp:

Probably should stop smoking your weed. Every stoner ive ever met is a lazy piece of shit that barely gets off there damn couch.


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Opiates are the downfall of man. I don't see anyone getting a better perspective on life while drooling on themselves and chasing their next bag of H



You've obviously never seen the last episode of House...




Lol holy shit, thats the best thing ive seen on the internet this morning.



Glad I could be of assistance.



Care to get a brief tl:dw of the episode?


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Nevermind.. I read the wiki page of it.
Thanks anyways..
I may have to watch that on Netflix tonight.


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bar tenders should just keep slinging alcoholics drinks when they're already fucking blitzed instead of cutting them off.




People shouldn't need someone else to tell them when enough is enough.




They shouldn't but they often times do because people are dumb. That's why we have fucking therapists and life coaches.




So you think other peoples freedom should be put at risk because some people are dumb? Fuck the dumb people. They will soon either die, or learn, and either one of those is good for humanity.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Artnotwar]
    #21939593 - 07/13/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No. I never said that. Dis my other post not go in?

I equate it to how opiates are regulated with the healthcare system. Addicts are not served opiates because they will likely abuse them, the same goes for other substances that elicit a strong response from the limbic system. And rightfully so, giving an addict more drugs will only end up hurting them. What's so difficult to understand that?

I realize there are people out there that use these drugs and have no problem what so ever. My post was not for those people. You think it's ok to give them more and more to the point that they end up killing themselves and that its better for society? That's a pretty sick way of looking a things. That's about the same as giving a gun to someone mentally unstable and watching them blow their head off, albeit a little more extreme. We don't typically allow people with mental healt problems to own guns in this country and i'm perfectly fine with that.


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they end up owning them anyway

just look at all the cops..


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they end up owning them anyway

just look at all the cops..



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