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OfflineD.M.T
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL]
    #21924166 - 07/10/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can die from quitting alcohol, but quitting heroin at any stage of addiction will only lead to improvement.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: D.M.T]
    #21924284 - 07/10/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

quitting alcohol will lead to improvement as well. delirium tremens can be medically managed.

heroin seems to be more addictive than alcohol. both are pretty bad in terms of health and costs on society, though alcohol probably beats out heroin in that department.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: 404]
    #21924340 - 07/10/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lots of people try alcohol and don't become addicted. Lots of people are exposed to various opiates/oids in medical settings without becoming addicted. Some of the people who try either of those things do develop full-blown addiction to them and are royally fucked. With heroin though, most people without a self-destructive bent don't try it in the first place because of the strong stigma against it. If a greater proportion of the people who try it become addicted compared to drugs that are more universally available, you have to consider who it is that tries it and why.


IMO it's pretty pointless to compare addictiveness of different drugs. Individuals vary so much in their affinity for different highs.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Learyfan]
    #21924838 - 07/10/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Lol, if you only knew how many people on the shroomery are addicted to opiates.

Alcohol is just as addictive and deadly as heroin.




I feel like a lot of Shroomerites are addicted to opiates because they have people like you in their ear saying stupid shit like this.  Alcohol is deadly, but don't ever equate it to heroin.  That's just stupid and irresponsible. 





Yeah right, people are addicted to opiates because of other peoples opinions on a message board, not because its a highly desirable and enjoyable drug.

You are flat out wrong. Alcohol is far harder on the body then opiates. Alcohol withdrawals kill people, heroin withdrawals dont. Alcohol is also much harder on the body, but don't take it from me, read about it on google from doctors

But you have a bias against heroin, thusly you somehow think alcohol is so much more evil. Tell that to the people who have loved ones as alcoholics, died from alcohol, or are themselves alcoholics.

Its hilarious how staunchly liberal and cool people are about drugs, except when it comes to drugs they dont like. Then of course it should be illegal, demonized, and locked up for right?


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PLURAL] * 1
    #21925306 - 07/10/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No, it's not.

They're both addictive drugs, why most people die from heroin is because it's an unregulated street drug, so its potency varies greatly




I agree for the most part.  Heroin is still way more addictive than alcohol (duh), but it wouldn't be nearly as bad for you if it were regulated.  But it's not.  So when I say heroin is way worse for you, I'm talking about heroin now.  Not heroin in a fantasy world where it's legal. 


















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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: danielx]
    #21925358 - 07/10/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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danielx said:Its hilarious how staunchly liberal and cool people are about drugs, except when it comes to drugs they dont like. Then of course it should be illegal, demonized, and locked up for right?




It should be legal for any adult stupid enough to do it.  Then maybe it wouldn't be quite as bad.  But it is currently very illegal and your chances of ending up in prison or in the cemetery are way, way higher than alcohol.  Either because you get caught possessing it, selling it or stealing stuff or robbing people to get the money.  And it's more deadly because until it's legal, you have no idea what you're getting. 













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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Learyfan]
    #21925555 - 07/10/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Learyfan]
    #21925594 - 07/10/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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danielx said:Its hilarious how staunchly liberal and cool people are about drugs, except when it comes to drugs they dont like. Then of course it should be illegal, demonized, and locked up for right?




It should be legal for any adult stupid enough to do it.  Then maybe it wouldn't be quite as bad.  But it is currently very illegal and your chances of ending up in prison or in the cemetery are way, way higher than alcohol.  Either because you get caught possessing it, selling it or stealing stuff or robbing people to get the money.  And it's more deadly because until it's legal, you have no idea what you're getting. 





even if it's legal it's not going to stop crime. people will still steal to get their fix from their legal source, we'll still have addicts, people neglecting themselves as well as their loved ones, and maybe folks will kill themselves alot slower too..


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: zZZz]
    #21925604 - 07/10/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Heroin is bad news, it comes and goes where I live and you can literally see ppls health go to shit in a hurry. That's one drug I believe should be wiped off the planet.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Learyfan]
    #21925606 - 07/10/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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danielx said:Its hilarious how staunchly liberal and cool people are about drugs, except when it comes to drugs they dont like. Then of course it should be illegal, demonized, and locked up for right?




I agree for the most part.  Heroin is still way more addictive than alcohol (duh), but it wouldn't be nearly as bad for you if it were regulated.  But it's not.  So when I say heroin is way worse for you, I'm talking about heroin now.  Not heroin in a fantasy world where it's legal.

It should be legal for any adult stupid enough to do it.  Then maybe it wouldn't be quite as bad.  But it is currently very illegal and your chances of ending up in prison or in the cemetery are way, way higher than alcohol.  Either because you get caught possessing it, selling it or stealing stuff or robbing people to get the money.  And it's more deadly because until it's legal, you have no idea what you're getting. 




Cannabis is too high on this list. But alcohol is right where it should be.





In terms of overall cost to and harm to society and its users.. alcohol is the most destructive drug on the planet.
This is heroin now, with it being illegal and alcohol legal. If heroin was legal the purity could be more closely controlled and deaths would go down.

Personally I've lost more friends and family to alcohol than I have to heroin. It's a fucking destructive ass drug. Worse than heroin. It's legal.

Because alcohol is "socially acceptable" is no excuse. If alcohol should be allowed to be legal, so should heroin and crack and PCP and everything else.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Shroomism]
    #21925797 - 07/10/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

maybe they can make drinks with low amounts of heroin, sell it like alcohol

ur right tho, if alcohol is legal, so should heroin, but not in it;s purest form tho..

i dont think it is a good solution, to regulate and sell the drug, but it is a good to solution to some of the problems we have now.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21926098 - 07/10/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Heroin is bad news, it comes and goes where I live and you can literally see ppls health go to shit in a hurry. That's one drug I believe should be wiped off the planet.




All natural opium pods are just as addictive if not more addictive because of the long half life. Should we irradicate that too? I don't think anyone here is arguing heroin isn't destructive/addictive to a community; however, I think it gets a bad rap over other just as dangerous drugs just because of stigmatism and propaganda. You can't legislate morality, nor can you irradicate drugs from the planet. Harm reduction is the best we can hope for.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: danielx]
    #21926135 - 07/10/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

our best bet is to keep bringing up alcohol and how it's really bad, just as bad as heroin, if not worse, yet still legal

we must take this up to the alcohol lobbyist

either remove alcohol from the stores, or legalize heroin


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: danielx]
    #21926208 - 07/10/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Heroin is bad news, it comes and goes where I live and you can literally see ppls health go to shit in a hurry. That's one drug I believe should be wiped off the planet.




All natural opium pods are just as addictive if not more addictive because of the long half life. Should we irradicate that too? I don't think anyone here is arguing heroin isn't destructive/addictive to a community; however, I think it gets a bad rap over other just as dangerous drugs just because of stigmatism and propaganda. You can't legislate morality, nor can you irradicate drugs from the planet. Harm reduction is the best we can hope for.




Yeah people kind of make it sound like heroin is uniquely addictive over and above other opiates. Seems like it's more that it's a drug that nobody tries unless they don't give a shit about wrecking their life with opiate addiction, unlike the less stigmatized opiates used in medicine that many have tried but a much smaller proportion seem to go nuts with.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: psi]
    #21926267 - 07/10/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Any drug that can turn a prom queen into a drugged out whore sucking dick for a fix should be eradicated


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21926333 - 07/10/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Any drug that can turn a prom queen into a drugged out whore sucking dick for a fix should be eradicated




Love me some drugged out promqueens. Sounds like you don't know how to party :lol:


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21926352 - 07/10/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This dude apparently got a shit ton of people hooked on Mexican heroin which he smuggled back and also was caught running a bho lab with 400 plants on his property. He was being watched by the cops for most of the time he was doing this :lol: including countless drug deals and a trip from Mexico back to the Bay Area. I'm so glad when cops actually catch people that deserve to be caught instead of chasing petty shit that should just be left alone.




Wow, you REALLY dont understand whats going on here, huh?

The people who were buying heroin from him WANTED heroin. He didnt force them to buy it from them. He was doing them a public service. I doubt many people got addicted simply because he was selling.

What arresting him actually did, was make it harder for addicts to find heroin. Think thats good? Addicts dont stop being addicts because heroin is harder to find, they just have to work harder to find it.

Why is this bad? Potentially buying from undercovers, getting shot from bad deals with shady dealers, getting ripped off, overdosing because they bought from a new source with more potent heroin than that guy had.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #21926359 - 07/10/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Anyway if he had keys im sure he sold to dealers rather than addicts. That makes this even worse, i wonder how many dealers he was supplying that no longer have a supplier. Now all the people each of those dealers were selling to no longer are getting dope. They are dope sick now. Great job cops.


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #21926362 - 07/10/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck heroin period


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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21926376 - 07/10/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Fuck heroin period




Yeah, no one needs that impure shit. Oxys are the shit.


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