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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: zZZz]
#21920638 - 07/09/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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propensity said: People do heroin. Making it illegal just makes it dangerous as fuck.
not true bro. there's places in the world where it is not criminalized but yet poverty is strong amongst them, their whole families are addicted to the opium, kids, grandparents, everyone has to smoke opium everyday cuz if they stop they go into withdrawals and possibly die. so u have like moms smoking out their kids with opium cuz they;re hooked.
btw ur heroin use is showing..
The fuck are you talking about? Opium is not heroin. What would you have the world do, completely eradicate the opium poppy from existence so poor people can't do it?
Furthermore, that has no bearing on my statement that making it illegal makes it more dangerous, which is indisputable. If it was legal people could get cleanly produced, perfectly measured product of a constant potency. There would be no change in potency between batches, and the risk of overdose would be reduced to people who can't read packaging.
But as it stands, people rely on variable and adulterated supplies of black tar weirdness and die constantly because of it. And they die because of ignorant people like you.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: propensity] 1
#21920641 - 07/09/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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propensity said: Why has everyone forgotten that personal responsibility is a thing?
It's up to the consumer to know the significance of what they are consuming. How is he a scumbag for selling a product that people desire?
If it was this evil substance no one wanted to do that he had to somehow trick people into doing, he wouldn't be selling it because there would be no money in it.
People do heroin. Making it illegal just makes it dangerous as fuck. I don't understand how people on a drug forum don't get this basic tenet and continually argue in favor of prohibition.
I guess I forget how powerful propaganda can be.
you have a point, though at the same time, there are those that specifically sell these often heavily addictive substances because they know their customer base will keep coming back because they are stuck in self-destructive cycle. in short, they don't care about the people they are selling to. the responsible thing to do would be not to sell these substances in the first place. no, he didn't trick anyone into doing it more than likely... but he did prey on a weak area of the consumer market. addiction is a real disease my friend, and i think that's what's really skewed/fucked up about that.
but yeah, i agree. prohibition only really increases the allure of these substances, and gives way to organized and often violent crime. if people could get these substances without having to worry about purity or going through some thug on the street, i'm sure we wouldn't see the ailments we see today in society regarding drugs in general.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: propensity] 3
#21920643 - 07/09/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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heroin is one of the worst drugs to ever get addicted to. You must have never dealt with addicts if you think it's not that bad. Btw no one chooses to be an addict . Have you never heard that before. That is how strong heroin really is. Plus 80% of heroin addicts start before their frontal lobe even develops so the majority of that heroin that guy was selling was going straight to young adults. I can't even count how many people I know who have died from heroin.
Also it isn't that shroomy to sell drugs for profit when you know half of all the people your selling it to are going to wind up dead.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus]
#21920647 - 07/09/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: What drugs are ok to sell and which aren't?
weed
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21920649 - 07/09/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I still think all drugs should be legal including heroin. Purity would be much more tightly controlled and more money could be spent on education and treatment rather than criminalization. In Portugal after they decriminalized all drugs, addicts went down, overall drug use went down, crime went down, HIV rates went down. It has only helped things.
I'll agree and admit I shouldn't have bashed the dealer so much. Although I dont condone the use of heroin I'll admit it's inevitably up to the user on what they put in their body.
Where does that end though? Are we going to regulate anything that's bad for what people put in their own bodies? Tylenol kills hundreds of people a year.. you can buy that at CVS. Alcohol is THE most harmful drug to society and it's legal. Should we also ban fast food? And fat.. and sugar.. cigarettes kill millions of people, you can get it at any gas station or anywhere. It's a slippery slope that one, if one wants to be consistent. You can't just say some potentially harmful things should be banned without banning all potentially harmful things and stripping everyone's personal freedom. I believe people should have the right to choose what they put in their own bodies.
Prohibition of alcohol didn't work. They tried that already. Gangsters took over, the shit went black market, crime skyrocketed. They realized their mistake. Then they started prohibiting other drugs. Except this has been going on for like 80 years now, this war on drugs has done absolutely nothing to help anything except ruin even more lives, drugs are never going away. The madness must end.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Shroomism]
#21920669 - 07/09/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright. Everyone do heroin and report back. Wait, you wont. Youre gonna sell your computer, your phone and everything you own to feed your addiction.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Gorlax] 1
#21920671 - 07/09/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always here that argument and I'm up for legalizing drugs to an extent. You have to understand that some drugs just shouldn't be accessible to people. When we flooded china with opium they were fucked. When all these drugs were legal pre 1904 or some shit everyone was getting addicted to them. It was a disaster. Alcohol can't be illegal because it's culturally engrained into us since biblical times. Heroin and other hard drugs have always had a stigma and for a righteous reason.
We should just sell fentanyl at the gas station. Is basically the counter argument to that.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist]
#21920676 - 07/09/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you think I'm advocating doing heroin you need to learn how to read. I'm saying freedom is important and the war on drugs does absolutely nothing to help addicts, show me how I'm wrong.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Herbologist] 1
#21920684 - 07/09/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think dealing heroin is just as bad as dealing alcohol,
but i dont think people should be locked up for it
but i also dont think we should allow these substances to destroy our wonderful communities
fact of the matter is, some drugs are better than others, like weed, weed is the universal drug and if we're going to allow any drugs it is most definitely going to be weed
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: zZZz] 1
#21920685 - 07/09/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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In shanghi there's story's of fathers selling their daughters to buy more opium. Any drug that can turn you to selling everything you have including your body just because you want the drug so bad is evil in my eyes.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21920693 - 07/09/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Something about heroin makes you a lying fucking thief. Almost all property crime and theft is by drug abusers... that just sums up a lot right there.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: zZZz]
#21920697 - 07/09/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I bet the heroin dealer had hella guns on him. The drugs shouldent have gotten him locked up but if he had unregistered guns yep throw him in jail
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Gorlax]
#21920700 - 07/09/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Something about heroin makes you a lying fucking thief. Almost all property crime and theft is by drug abusers... that just sums up a lot right there.
Yep. Every heroin user ive known was a god damn thief
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: zZZz]
#21920711 - 07/09/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: What drugs are ok to sell and which aren't?
weed
That is so dumb it has to be a joke right? Weed can kill irresponsible people and it is super addicting too. It's not much different than heroin.
What if you have a kidney stone or toothache? Is it ok to sell opiates to someone then?
What if you need surgery? Is it ok to sell benzos and ketamine to your patient?
Some people need to buy heroin off the street and some don't. If you don't need to than good for you, but don't try to run/ruin other peoples life.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus]
#21920715 - 07/09/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: What drugs are ok to sell and which aren't?
weed
Weed can kill irresponsible people and it is super addicting too. It's not much different than heroin.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus]
#21920717 - 07/09/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Weed is definitely way different than heroin. You can't take too much weed and die.
That said Heroin should still be legal.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Gorlax]
#21920719 - 07/09/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: I always here that argument and I'm up for legalizing drugs to an extent. You have to understand that some drugs just shouldn't be accessible to people. When we flooded china with opium they were fucked. When all these drugs were legal pre 1904 or some shit everyone was getting addicted to them. It was a disaster. Alcohol can't be illegal because it's culturally engrained into us since biblical times. Heroin and other hard drugs have always had a stigma and for a righteous reason.
We should just sell fentanyl at the gas station. Is basically the counter argument to that.
i don't think it was well understood what addiction was back then. you have to realize how far we've come regarding literature for substance abuse.
a much more favorable scenario would be to have all drugs legalized and to properly educate the public about the real dangers of them, no one belongs in fucking jail for doing drugs anyway... they belong in treatment centers if they are experiencing life problems.
some people don't do certain drugs because they are aware of the inherent risks of doing them... some people ignore that risk. but whether drugs are illegal or legal, has no bearing on them getting them and doing them if they really really want to try them.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Lophosaurus] 1
#21920720 - 07/09/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: What drugs are ok to sell and which aren't?
weed
That is so dumb it has to be a joke right? Weed can kill irresponsible people and it is super addicting too. It's not much different than heroin. .
LMFAO you just lost all credibility.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: 404]
#21920725 - 07/09/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well said. That's what I didn't feel like typing out. I don't get what is so hard to understand about that.
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Re: Someone in my town just got caught with 2 keys of heroin and 400 plants [Re: Shroomism]
#21920745 - 07/09/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can't take too much weed and die, but if you aren't being responsible you could get into a situation where you die. If you are driving and take a huge dab you could black out for a second and crash. It happened to me, but I wasn't driving. You could smoke, then get dizzy, then fall down some stairs. That happened to a friend, but he didn't die. Its quite a stretch, I know, and I'm still going to stand by it. It also is very addicting and many people spend all their money on it. When it comes to stuff that is prohibited, I think weed and heroin are very comparable. Actually I would love all drugs to be legal and when the opportunity is right I always let people know my view.
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