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CXII
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Lysol Not Dry In Tub (nearly three days), Assume Hazard?
#21918391 - 07/09/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys, I come to you with another one.
So, myself and my fiance have been using Lysol products to do a final surface prep before we place cakes in our tub for fruiting. We've been doing this on and off now for a few years with zero troubles, following instructions as well (obviously).
However this final time we have done the same as always but it's nearly been three days and the stuff is still not dry. As in it is so wet that after wiping it up (so sick of waiting that I decided to clean it up and wipe it down with alcohol). It's still so slick that you could practically skate across the surface.
We were concerned about dust, mold, and other undesirable stuff to land on the surface because of being wet for so long. Correct, because when I cleaned it there was visible stuff that already landed.
Our main concern is the fact I also Lysol'ed the air lines for the cool mist we use for humidity and air flow and the humidifier tank and base interior of the device itself (done for years with zero issues). They are also still damp from it.
We assume un-dried Lysol mixed with inbound air and humidity will be a hazard. Are we correct?
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Toadstool5
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Re: Lysol Not Dry In Tub (nearly three days), Assume Hazard? [Re: CXII]
#21919905 - 07/09/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A mod will have to move this, Reason:
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2) This forum is for the discussion of advanced techniques and experimental procedures. This forum is NOT a support forum, for problems with your grows. Any posts regarding how to use a pressure cooker, your PF Cakes, a species which has been cultivated ad nauseam, grain ratios, contaminated grows, how to prepare dung, or anything else which has been covered in the forum, etc... will be moved immediately upon review - so please, do not waste the resources, time, or bandwidth of the shroomery.
You will get more responses in mushroom cultivation.
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cakes in our tub for fruiting
The mycelium isn't as fragile as you would think. The inside of your fruiting chamber doesnt need to be sterile like a SAB should be during inoculation or transfers.
I would suggest wiping it down with a 2% bleach solution, let it sit for ten minutes, and then wipe any excess moisture away with a paper towel. Hydrogen peroxide also works, let it sit for ten minutes and wipe away excess moisture.
Some people dont even clean their fruiting chamber.
If you are having mold issues with your fruiting chamber you need to deep clean the entire room and run a HEPA filter for a few weeks. If bacteria persists, deep clean the room, clean your hands before handling anything, dont breathe on cakes, and run a HEPA filter.
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assume un-dried Lysol mixed with inbound air and humidity will be a hazard. Are we correct?
Yes microbes have landed on it. Thats why we spray the inside of SABs with soap water, iso, etOH, or bleach. It shouldnt be a hazard to the cakes if you wipe it down and its not filthy.
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drake89
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Re: Lysol Not Dry In Tub (nearly three days), Assume Hazard? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21920045 - 07/09/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What Lysol are you using? The aerosol or spray? The lemon scented spray I use in the lab leaves a gummy film if you use a lot and let it sit. I don't think its hazardous but who knows?
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CXII
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Re: Lysol Not Dry In Tub (nearly three days), Assume Hazard? [Re: drake89]
#21920734 - 07/09/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, if it gets moved it gets moved.
Toadstool5 - You obviously did not fully read my question, not a noob dude... Considering this question is not a support question, related to substrate preparation, about mold or contamination, a grain ratio, or a contaminated grow; I figured it would be alright...
My post is about the probability of undried Lysol picking up contaminates or the probability of chemical contamination while passing into the chamber with inbound air, not about my cakes having cobweb or trich...
We are also using custom developed mixtures/ratios and a custom designed fruiting chamber. I feel this is a more of a advanced question anyway. Thanks for the input though dude...
Drake89 - We are using the aerosol lysol spray. Just the normal, everyday stuff. Nothing scented either.
Yeah man, I called and complained to the company that makes Lysol, they seemed confused as well. They said part of the chemical formula is made of alcohol (evaporates with air), and the stuff still isn't dry...
Since we're about to get our second monotub setup up and rolling, the undried chemicals concerned us a bit. Not only because of obviously mold and whatnot, but the thought will Lysol (even if left exposed to air for nearly 60 hours) will kill myc or slow it down.
Edited by CXII (07/09/15 04:35 PM)
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Toadstool5
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Re: Lysol Not Dry In Tub (nearly three days), Assume Hazard? [Re: CXII]
#21921856 - 07/09/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are asking us if we think you are correct in assuming it will damage your cakes... thats a support type question.
They dont use anhydrous etOH for lysol aerosol. Its normally 5% water, when you use it heavily there is a slight amount of moisture left behind, it normally evaporates after a few minutes to overnight depending on humidity/temp/ventilation. You got impatient and wiped it down with iso (also not anhydrous) and it got wetter. It did probably collect some random contams because thats what water does when an air current passes over it.
Lysol is fungistatic, at worse it will stunt the mycelium.
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CXII
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Re: Lysol Not Dry In Tub (nearly three days), Assume Hazard? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21923018 - 07/10/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ToadStool5 - Point taken, but at the same time this is a much, much more advanced type of question (not asking if I need to lysol, iso, etc). Agree to disagree, like I said if it gets moved it gets moved.
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Toadstool5 said:
They dont use anhydrous etOH for lysol aerosol. Its normally 5% water, when you use it heavily there is a slight amount of moisture left behind, it normally evaporates after a few minutes to overnight depending on humidity/temp/ventilation. You got impatient and wiped it down with iso (also not anhydrous) and it got wetter. It did probably collect some random contams because thats what water does when an air current passes over it.
Lysol is fungistatic, at worse it will stunt the mycelium.
Umm... The directions on the can say to wait 10-15 minutes and then allow to air dry. I waited nearly 60 hours dude, that's far beyond the directions. Like I said, we followed the directions, was NOT over applied, etc.
Umm... We did did not wipe it down with alcohol... I got sick of waiting for three days (with proper ventilation, etc) and did a basic wipe down with cosmetic cotton cloth pads (no water, iso, etc) to remove the lysol from the surface.
Complained directly to the company that makes Lysol yesterday, they seemed confused as well. I'm confused as well, because we've had the same problem with using lysol on our kitchen/bathroom counters as well.
We've also been doing this exact same method for over three years (since we registered on the forum, see my join date if you like), and have not any problems with our sanitation/cleaning methods.
My reasoning for posting this is the fact that the lysol is still wet after 60 hours of being on there and leaving a slick, film like residue.
Edited by CXII (07/10/15 03:34 AM)
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drake89
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Re: Lysol Not Dry In Tub (nearly three days), Assume Hazard? [Re: CXII]
#21924882 - 07/10/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would just tell you to chill out and maybe wipe it off?
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Kizzle
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Re: Lysol Not Dry In Tub (nearly three days), Assume Hazard? [Re: drake89]
#21925448 - 07/10/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the non-volatile ingredients are probably non-toxic but you'd have to check out the ingredients of the particular product.
Flushing it out with alcohol would probably do the trick. Coconut oil is an ingredient in the lysol I have on hand and isn't very soluble in water so if you sprayed a bunch in one spot it could leave an oily residue like that.
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Edited by Kizzle (07/10/15 05:45 PM)
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CXII
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Re: Lysol Not Dry In Tub (nearly three days), Assume Hazard? [Re: Kizzle]
#21925987 - 07/10/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kizzle - Thank you very, very much for that bit of information regarding lysol's formula.
Drake89 - Lol... I'm fine, just frustrated and at an impasse.
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drake89
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Re: Lysol Not Dry In Tub (nearly three days), Assume Hazard? [Re: CXII]
#21927487 - 07/11/15 05:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Check the msds next time
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