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SycoNautix


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Voices
#21917349 - 07/08/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where do they come from, and why do people "hear" voices?
Do you think they merely a figment of one's imagination, or is the person actually communicating with extraneous entities of some sort?
I would assume that voices to the person experiencing them feel pretty real. Does their mental illness simply make them unable to realize that it is in fact their own mind making these voices up, and they are only perceiving them as some external entity?
Or perhaps people who hear voices have tapped into some sort of spiritual gift that allows them to communicate with aliens/extradimensional beings/deceased relatives/angels etc.
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fungiamongi3
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I hear voices sometimes, but it's mostly conversations w ppl I know, or weird shit at shows, like I hear what ppl from all over the venue are thinking. It's sometimes hard to differentiate what's in my head and what might be real
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i started hearing voices like 7 year ago on and off depending if i stay on my meds. i think ive made contact with some other place. its very complicated i know that they are not my thoughts or ideas. i could hear the light and dark side. thats why i thought i was going crazy at start. ive worked out quite a lot about how this works. if you have any questions ill look back in.
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SycoNautix said: Where do they come from, and why do people "hear" voices?
Do you think they merely a figment of one's imagination, or is the person actually communicating with extraneous entities of some sort?
I would assume that voices to the person experiencing them feel pretty real. Does their mental illness simply make them unable to realize that it is in fact their own mind making these voices up, and they are only perceiving them as some external entity?
Or perhaps people who hear voices have tapped into some sort of spiritual gift that allows them to communicate with aliens/extradimensional beings/deceased relatives/angels etc.
It can be from evil forces or from good.
1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. ...
Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
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I won't deny that there is "ring-like-a-bell-in-the-head-telepathy" (psychical researcher Gertrude Schmeidler'sexpression), and I admit that I've experienced this on six occasions in my past (in the voice of the people, but being 'heard' without the vibratory bones of the ear working, rather, uniquely sounding in my mind). Five of those times I was on acid. On two of those six occasions, I knew the people, repeated back what I heard, and they were both fearful and horrified, one saying "I THOUGHT hat I didn't SAY that!" But in my experience as a psychotherapist, I have not discerned parapsychological 'voices,' as the cause, but auditory hallucinations, and hearing "aliens/extradimensional beings/deceased relatives/angels" is most improbable for a number of reasons. Unfortunately, the voices of the mentally ill are often characterized by self-recrimination, or command hallucinations to do bizarre or destructive acts to self or other. The most common etiology of hearing voices is due to derangement of some thought disorder, Schizophrenia being foremost.
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SycoNautix


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Re: Voices [Re: Goose]
#22040330 - 08/04/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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fungiamongi3 said: It's sometimes hard to differentiate what's in my head and what might be real
I have the same problem. I've gotten better at differentiating between the two, but still struggle. If you pay close enough attention to your thought process, it is tough, but I notice a very slight difference between what's real and fantasy.
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Goose said: its very complicated i know that they are not my thoughts or ideas. i could hear the light and dark side. thats why i thought i was going crazy at start. ive worked out quite a lot about how this works. if you have any questions ill look back in.
Please elaborate more.
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SycoNautix


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It can be from evil forces or from good.
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MarkostheGnostic said: But in my experience as a psychotherapist, I have not discerned parapsychological 'voices,' as the cause, but auditory hallucinations, and hearing "aliens/extradimensional beings/deceased relatives/angels" is most improbable for a number of reasons. Unfortunately, the voices of the mentally ill are often characterized by self-recrimination, or command hallucinations to do bizarre or destructive acts to self or other. The most common etiology of hearing voices is due to derangement of some thought disorder, Schizophrenia being foremost. 
Yeah I rarely hear about positive voices. It's almost always that I hear about the ones that are negative and self-recriminating. This could lead one to believe that the voices are in fact projections of one's subconscious mind, perhaps from negative programming experienced in childhood. I don't know though. To the people experiencing the voices, they definitely feel real I've been told. You being a psychotherapist probably have a better idea than I do though.
I'm not sure about hearing entities from another world or planet, but I believe in the collective subconscious and if one has trained themselves well enough I think that they can learn to pick up "voices" (thoughts) from other people. Maybe this is one of the many facets of voices that people experience. Another aspect could include the patient's unraveling mind.
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Voices in my experience are from ourselves, other people, or possibly from entities. Negative entities use the imagination... I can't say anything about good entities cause I never heard them.
Most of them are from ourselves, what we have thought about before seems to come back to us at a later point in time. The mind is a powerful thing its like what we think or put into it later on has this effect.
Taking ayahuasca recently has made me understand this better. The consciousness or psyche is much more than we think, its like there's a veil behind it all. The ego that we have and the thoughts we make come back to us because of this. Can't really explain it better than that.
I think they come from other people, negatively or positively as well, just like the entities can do it. I honestly hear voices from other people and it bugs the crap out of me cause most of the time they're negative.
Mostly its like a self creating kind of thing. We create most or a lot of the voices we hear. Its just what our ego has created... Then we have intruding thoughts from people or entities. I just ignore those cause they're mostly not good.
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hmmm the thoughts that are coming to mind right now are ..... there are forces at work that i dont clam to understand completely but i think people with strong spiritual energy are more in tune with who ever the voices are. like jesus when he went to the desert for 40 days and was tempted by the devil or buddha before he became enlightened had to face demons trying to get him to move from the tree. like i said the light and dark side are out there. i did something before i started hearing voices that charged my spiritual energy way to high and id didnt know what was going on. i became like a bonfire of energy drawing my self closer to the spirit world than i knew. in Chinese they say something like you have to much water or fire. water is your energy made by your body or spirit and fire is from air or food. yin yang kinda thing. but one of them is more connected with the spirit world. or in the indian tradition they call it a kundalini awakening. i forced my self to have one or i think i did. im not sure what to ells to say right now but if you have questions let me know. i know this is kinda vague but its hard to put it all in to words.
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Re: Voices [Re: Goose]
#22051957 - 08/06/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I remember taking Harmala/LSD combinations early on in my psychedelic experimentation that seemed to trigger plenty of what MarkostheGnostic posted. But there where also instances of audio hallucinations I can only describe as "chittering". I'm not the only one to experience this either apparently it turned a few of my friends off to psychedelics completely and to be honest it is a really weird experience.
I try not to ponder to much on where those "voices" were coming from. I should add without the harmalas those don't happen. Weird little chemical that one.
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