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ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong?
    #21917156 - 07/08/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok so, I've extracted DMT many times and every single time has been successful. No problems. I had followed a tek that I used to have written down, but no longer have that recipe on hand, so I attempted to repeat it from memory alone.

Here's what I did.

1600ml water, added 200ml white vinegar.

Added 250g ACRB.

Stirred and let sit for an hour.

Boiled 1500ml water and added 320g salt.

Added that, plus an extra 2700ml water, to the other mixture once salt was dissolved.

Stirred and let sit for another hour.

Scooped off the top garbage.

I then proceeded to pour my lye in, and the mixture went purple as usual, and then I added just a bit more for good measure. If I had to guess, maybe 150g lye? Give or take.

Then I did the naphtha pulls and I am left with almost nothing. It's like it wanted to pull, but didn't. Any way to salvage? Nevertheless, where did I go wrong?


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21917174 - 07/08/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've never done an extraction but I'm glad to hear from you! Hope the legal stuff disappears. I want to monitor this thread too.


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21917181 - 07/08/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Was the powdered bark still in the lye solution when you did the naphtha pulls? Or is this the shit you scooped out? It sounds to me like you didnt give much time for the vinegar to extract from the bark. If your vinegar was 5% and you ended up extracting from 5800mL total volume, your concentration is now 0.17%.  Acetic acid is a weak acid as it is.


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #21917191 - 07/08/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Was the powdered bark still in the lye solution when you did the naphtha pulls? Or is this the shit you scooped out? It sounds to me like you didnt give much time for the vinegar to extract from the bark. If your vinegar was 5% and you ended up extracting from 5800mL total volume, your concentration is now 0.17%.  Acetic acid is a weak acid as it is.




The powdered bark was still in the solution. I let the solution of 1600ml water/200ml vinegar and 250g of bark sit for an entire hour before moving on. Do you think I used too much water? I feel like this is similar, if not the same amount, that I have used successfully in the past.


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21917225 - 07/08/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A weak vinegar solution isnt really the best at breaking down plant material. Especially with such a short soak.

If your bark is still in the basic solution, I would just add more base and re-extract. Its hard to tell without pH paper, but a typical ratio is 1:1:15. 150g NaOH in 5800mL of water is kinda weak, especially when youre neutralizing the existing acid/salts


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #21917230 - 07/08/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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A weak vinegar solution isnt really the best at breaking down plant material. Especially with such a short soak.

If your bark is still in the basic solution, I would just add more base and re-extract. Its hard to tell without pH paper, but a typical ratio is 1:1:15. 150g NaOH in 5800mL of water is very weak, especially when youre neutralizing the existing acid/salts




I was thinking of doing the same thing. I figure the only way I could have fucked this up is by not adding enough NaOH. I always assumed less was more as long as the solution changed color :p


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21918162 - 07/09/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ApexNightmare said:
Ok so, I've extracted DMT many times and every single time has been successful. No problems. I had followed a tek that I used to have written down, but no longer have that recipe on hand, so I attempted to repeat it from memory alone.

Here's what I did.

1600ml water, added 200ml white vinegar.

Added 250g ACRB.

Stirred and let sit for an hour.

Boiled 1500ml water and added 320g salt.

Added that, plus an extra 2700ml water, to the other mixture once salt was dissolved.

Stirred and let sit for another hour.

Scooped off the top garbage.

I then proceeded to pour my lye in, and the mixture went purple as usual, and then I added just a bit more for good measure. If I had to guess, maybe 150g lye? Give or take.

Then I did the naphtha pulls and I am left with almost nothing. It's like it wanted to pull, but didn't. Any way to salvage? Nevertheless, where did I go wrong?





You forgot to add naptha In after scraping the top layer of crap. After adding the naptha you mix and let sit, then suck it up and discard. THEN you add your lye


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21918185 - 07/09/15 06:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

like said before , sounds like it wasnt acidic enough , when extracting 250 g of acrb in around 5000 ml of water , i used around 600-700 ml of acidic vinegar and i was only at 2.7-2.8 PH. also sounds like too much lye .

a PH pencil is kinda expensive but its the best thing you can buy when youre doing multiple extraction with different variables


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21918266 - 07/09/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

ApexNightmare said:
Ok so, I've extracted DMT many times and every single time has been successful. No problems. I had followed a tek that I used to have written down, but no longer have that recipe on hand, so I attempted to repeat it from memory alone.

Here's what I did.

1600ml water, added 200ml white vinegar.

Added 250g ACRB.

Stirred and let sit for an hour.

Boiled 1500ml water and added 320g salt.

Added that, plus an extra 2700ml water, to the other mixture once salt was dissolved.

Stirred and let sit for another hour.

Scooped off the top garbage.

I then proceeded to pour my lye in, and the mixture went purple as usual, and then I added just a bit more for good measure. If I had to guess, maybe 150g lye? Give or take.

Then I did the naphtha pulls and I am left with almost nothing. It's like it wanted to pull, but didn't. Any way to salvage? Nevertheless, where did I go wrong?





You forgot to add naptha In after scraping the top layer of crap. After adding the naptha you mix and let sit, then suck it up and discard. THEN you add your lye





That's just to remove plant fats though, he should've at least got some waxy/gooey product or a bit of crystals.

That amount of lye also sounds like over kill to me.


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: Mescalitoe]
    #21918274 - 07/09/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

^^ true


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21922400 - 07/09/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Theory!

Sorry to bump this again. But I added a little more lye (I used to add more than this and still get decent yields, so I am not too worried about it) and did more pulls. However, I forgot to mention that I used probably >200ml of naphtha per pull considering the large volume I was pulling from. Is it possible to use too much naphtha and that doesn't allow the DMT to precipitate or something? Because I had crystals forming on the sides of my naphtha jar today.


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21922664 - 07/09/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Theory!

Sorry to bump this again. But I added a little more lye (I used to add more than this and still get decent yields, so I am not too worried about it) and did more pulls. However, I forgot to mention that I used probably >200ml of naphtha per pull considering the large volume I was pulling from. Is it possible to use too much naphtha and that doesn't allow the DMT to precipitate or something? Because I had crystals forming on the sides of my naphtha jar today.




Yes that could be the case


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    #21922851 - 07/10/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yep could be. DMT will precipitate, but not much at all if its a dilute solution. You could extract with small amounts of vinegar, basify, then re-extract with a smaller amount of warm naphtha. Or just concentrate the solution by evaporating then try to freeze precip again. And I wouldnt worry about too much NaOH. The solution youre extracting from isnt even 1M. Ive seen extractions done at over twice that concentration.


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21922921 - 07/10/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

ApexNightmare said:
Ok so, I've extracted DMT many times and every single time has been successful. No problems. I had followed a tek that I used to have written down, but no longer have that recipe on hand, so I attempted to repeat it from memory alone.

Here's what I did.

1600ml water, added 200ml white vinegar.

Added 250g ACRB.

Stirred and let sit for an hour.

Boiled 1500ml water and added 320g salt.

Added that, plus an extra 2700ml water, to the other mixture once salt was dissolved.

Stirred and let sit for another hour.

Scooped off the top garbage.

I then proceeded to pour my lye in, and the mixture went purple as usual, and then I added just a bit more for good measure. If I had to guess, maybe 150g lye? Give or take.

Then I did the naphtha pulls and I am left with almost nothing. It's like it wanted to pull, but didn't. Any way to salvage? Nevertheless, where did I go wrong?





You forgot to add naptha In after scraping the top layer of crap. After adding the naptha you mix and let sit, then suck it up and discard. THEN you add your lye





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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21922931 - 07/10/15 01:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You forgot to add naptha In after scraping the top layer of crap. After adding the naptha you mix and let sit, then suck it up and discard. THEN you add your lye




I really hope you're wrong haha. If these pulls I did tonight don't yield better, I'm tossing this one and redoing!


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21923577 - 07/10/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

iF u soaked the bark in vinegar for only an hour, thats not enough.

Some people suggest letting it sit overnight, then boiling the bark/vinegar.

Also, good to see your making DMT APEX! :smile:

EDIT: looks like u figured it on. Right on man :thumbup:


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21923668 - 07/10/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea dude your method is pretty off.

Here is a basic run down of what I do..

I freeze/thaw a few times and powder my bark. I do 500g acrb at a time.

Step 1:

I boil my bark in 2000ml of water and 100ml of white vinegar. (Sometimes I use HCL instead and check the PH but this usually works fine. )
I strain it and pour into a new pot which I start reducing.

I repeat this step 4-5 times using fresh vinegr each boil.

I discard the bark and reduce the total of all the boils to 1500ml, which I cool and put in a large gallon mason jar.

Step 2: I add 150g lye.

Step 3: I keep the jar in a heat bath the whole time for the pulls. I add in about 4-600ml of hot naptha, and turn the jar end over end for about a minute to mix.. then I let it completly seperate.. this can take a while sometimes. I mix and let seperate 10X.

I then pull the top layer of naptha with a baster and put in a jar. I then repeat step 3, over and over untill the naptha no longer pulls cloudy.

I put a couple pulls into one jar but I like to have several jars from the pulls in the freezer.. its just how I do it.
  The crystals usually start falling out at room temp but I put the jar in the freezer for a day or two.. i know its time to take out when the naptha is totally clear.

Step 4. I pour off the naptha and blow a fan on the crystals to dry them and scrape them up.

Step 5.. I cant really remember off the top off my head if this is how I do it but I like to clean up the crystals some I put all my DMT into some hot naptha, and pull it up with baster into another jar and freeze precipitte again. Any junk usually stays in the bottom of the first jar.


There are plenty of way to do this but this is the way I like to with the limited gear and chemicals I have. My product is usually quite good.


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21924003 - 07/10/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yea dude your method is pretty off.

Here is a basic run down of what I do..

I freeze/thaw a few times and powder my bark. I do 500g acrb at a time.

Step 1:

I boil my bark in 2000ml of water and 100ml of white vinegar. (Sometimes I use HCL instead and check the PH but this usually works fine. )
I strain it and pour into a new pot which I start reducing.

I repeat this step 4-5 times using fresh vinegr each boil.

I discard the bark and reduce the total of all the boils to 1500ml, which I cool and put in a large gallon mason jar.

Step 2: I add 150g lye.

Step 3: I keep the jar in a heat bath the whole time for the pulls. I add in about 4-600ml of hot naptha, and turn the jar end over end for about a minute to mix.. then I let it completly seperate.. this can take a while sometimes. I mix and let seperate 10X.

I then pull the top layer of naptha with a baster and put in a jar. I then repeat step 3, over and over untill the naptha no longer pulls cloudy.

I put a couple pulls into one jar but I like to have several jars from the pulls in the freezer.. its just how I do it.
  The crystals usually start falling out at room temp but I put the jar in the freezer for a day or two.. i know its time to take out when the naptha is totally clear.

Step 4. I pour off the naptha and blow a fan on the crystals to dry them and scrape them up.

Step 5.. I cant really remember off the top off my head if this is how I do it but I like to clean up the crystals some I put all my DMT into some hot naptha, and pull it up with baster into another jar and freeze precipitte again. Any junk usually stays in the bottom of the first jar.


There are plenty of way to do this but this is the way I like to with the limited gear and chemicals I have. My product is usually quite good.




Because I'm using ACRB, I thought you were supposed to add salt when you use the lye?


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21924088 - 07/10/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Forgot to mention, 1,000 post hype!!!! :laugh:


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21924239 - 07/10/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There are a few different kinds of teks for this. Acid base, straight to base etc. Some dont even use the harsh chemicals they use d. Lemonine instead
You should do a good bit more research before your next attempt, read thru the different teks on The DMT Nexus.

Cyb's hybrid tek is one that uses salt I think. Ive never had good luck with those sort before.
Check out ACRB tek by Thick Light, its the tek I described for thd most part up untill a certain point

I dont use any salt. :shrug: I find the way I do it the simplest for beginners... acid boils, basify, naptha pulls. Easy peasy lemon squeezy


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21925427 - 07/10/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey OP did you not swear off psychedelics forever after you ended up in the hospital? Im just asking because if you've done it before and it worked well it seems almost to perfect that it didn't this time. Im not 100% sure its meant to happen...


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21926081 - 07/10/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey OP did you not swear off psychedelics forever after you ended up in the hospital? Im just asking because if you've done it before and it worked well it seems almost to perfect that it didn't this time. Im not 100% sure its meant to happen...




I wasn't too specific in the main post, but this is only for fun/preparation. I have 2kg of bark just sitting and I just felt like preparing some DMT for others who may want to try it. Now that I am no longer taking any, I feel like I could do some supervision over those I know who want to experience the magic :smile:

But yeah, maybe the DMT gods aren't in my favor? But I do think it has a lot to do with the recipe I had written down being taken by the cops :p Also, fucking up a lot of it... A mixture of the two I'll say.


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21926219 - 07/10/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I do mine straight to basic and it works fine you just end up with a lot off goo but freeze precipitating it works fine. I don't think they don't approve it just might not be beneficial for you to do that right now. I would take it as a sine but if you're determined to proceed STB is were its at I love the goo.


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Re: ACRB extraction. NO yield. Where did I go wrong? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21926278 - 07/10/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No yield, probably not basic enuff. ACRB, IMHO is crap anyway since it tends to be about half NMT and half DMT. I quit extracting because of this, but if you MUST you MUST...use the acacia that is.
Add more lye and be sure you're using decent naptha...VM&P preferably.


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