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'Holy Books'
    #21916798 - 07/08/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This was not written by me but I found it interesting to read.
It's a retort to someone who uses the bible as justification for their claims

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I recommend you avoid comparing a few religious documents to the body of Scientific knowledge, it reveals you as juvenile and ignorant. They are two different things altogether and can't be compared. Religious faith has nothing to do with trying an experiment more than once because you believe a deduction you made is correct. You might as well accuse Atheists of believing things. That's silly, all humans believe things. Believing is simply what you do when you don't have perfect knowledge, or before you gather that knowledge within a specific subject.

If you wish, we could discuss the poor quality and poor safe-keeping of religious documents, self-inconsistencies within them, and the lack of cross-references to mainstream culture of those times. This makes them weaker than some historical documents and self-consistent outright works of fiction, for which there is also no hope of gathering evidence. Likely the carelessness and disinterest comes from holding their contents as perfect truth from the start, and stoically ignore criticism. That's not good enough for an outsider coming in, though. Various religious books are filled with angels, demons, giants and Gods, just like old and new fiction.

Now, even if you should accept their contents as perfect truth, there are a bunch of quite different ones. On penalty of not just death, but everlasting torture, you have to pick the one that has the superhuman creatures in it that are real (and not just imaginary, like in those other religious books which are just fiction). Now, why would your God allow these similar-but-different religions to convince millions? It would seem to me that if the God had any powers, he would be able to make sure he wasn't misquoted or misunderstood, and if only He was the real God, there would have been no revelations to account for the different gods in other religions.

Lastly, if you claim your religious books contain the truth, you automatically claim that the other religious books are all untrue, yet so similar. You must show this to not reveal yourself a deluded bigot, but there are no arguments you could make that wouldn't automatically cast shadow on your book as untrue. It's a losing proposition from the outset. Realize this, save yourself some trouble and conclude they must all be fiction.


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: sudly] * 1
    #21919109 - 07/09/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Most holy books cannot be understood when interpreted in a literal fashion. The stories use allegory to point to a truth which spans all traditions and religions, and beyond. It's only when we try to interpret them literally that they appear to have inconsistencies and as if they are at odds with each other.

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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: sudly]
    #21921580 - 07/09/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
This was not written by me but I found it interesting to read.
It's a retort to someone who uses the bible as justification for their claims

- - -

I recommend you avoid comparing a few religious documents to the body of Scientific knowledge, it reveals you as juvenile and ignorant. They are two different things altogether and can't be compared. Religious faith has nothing to do with trying an experiment more than once because you believe a deduction you made is correct. You might as well accuse Atheists of believing things. That's silly, all humans believe things. Believing is simply what you do when you don't have perfect knowledge, or before you gather that knowledge within a specific subject.

If you wish, we could discuss the poor quality and poor safe-keeping of religious documents, self-inconsistencies within them, and the lack of cross-references to mainstream culture of those times. This makes them weaker than some historical documents and self-consistent outright works of fiction, for which there is also no hope of gathering evidence. Likely the carelessness and disinterest comes from holding their contents as perfect truth from the start, and stoically ignore criticism. That's not good enough for an outsider coming in, though. Various religious books are filled with angels, demons, giants and Gods, just like old and new fiction.

Now, even if you should accept their contents as perfect truth, there are a bunch of quite different ones. On penalty of not just death, but everlasting torture, you have to pick the one that has the superhuman creatures in it that are real (and not just imaginary, like in those other religious books which are just fiction). Now, why would your God allow these similar-but-different religions to convince millions? It would seem to me that if the God had any powers, he would be able to make sure he wasn't misquoted or misunderstood, and if only He was the real God, there would have been no revelations to account for the different gods in other religions.

Lastly, if you claim your religious books contain the truth, you automatically claim that the other religious books are all untrue, yet so similar. You must show this to not reveal yourself a deluded bigot, but there are no arguments you could make that wouldn't automatically cast shadow on your book as untrue. It's a losing proposition from the outset. Realize this, save yourself some trouble and conclude they must all be fiction.




The reason why there are some that cannot understand the scriptures is because they has a corrupted heart and they twisted the meaning of the Bible what they had read from it, to fit it into what their own heart desires. Say if I love eating meats, and in Genesis it says that God has given all plant life that has seeds in them shall be for food, but then it goes on and says to every other beings that breathes, I give them vegetation for food as well. But being a meat-eater, I will twist the words into saying that it says that I'll give you every plants that has seeds in them and every breathing creature as for food; and which that mistake has been going on for centuries. In order to understand the scriptures, a person must has the spirit of God in them to understand it. But an evil spirit makes them see things differently from the way that it is suppose of have been seen. The evil spirit blinds them from the truth. That is why we are to admit to ourselves that we has an evil spirit in us and that we needs to be cleanse, but not by water and which that is another mistake that a lot of people was taught through out generation after generations believing that they has Baptized with water and which in the first chapter of Acts explain how they had Baptized with the spirit of God, not with water. People that had read the Bible in the past has had an evil spirit in them, making them only read verses but not the hold book. This evil spirit made them lazy when it comes to reading the Bible whole-heartedly, but with other books they know how to read them from A to Z. A sinner is someone that loves evil and if you take that from them, they'll be in torment. Remember God is a good force and He is going to make everything good and which will leave those that dislike anything that is good in eternal torment.

Proverbs 4:16 For they cannot rest until they do evil;
    they are robbed of sleep till they make someone stumble.
17 They eat the bread of wickedness
    and drink the wine of violence. (Which these items satisfy their souls)


Proverbs 25: 21 If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat;
    if he is thirsty, give him water to drink.
22 In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head,
    and the Lord will reward you.


Roman 12:19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
    if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: PocketLady] * 1
    #21921674 - 07/09/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So we can't read what they actually say or use logic to interpret holy books?

Any suggestions on how to interpret these bible lines?

- Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19
Don't wear fabrics of 2 kinds

- All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 9:10
Don't eat shellfish, it is an abomination

- If a man has sex with an animal, he must be put to death, and the animal must be killed. Leviticus 20:15
Kill a man and the animal if they sleep together

- Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. 31:17
Take and rape the virgins


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: sudly]
    #21921886 - 07/09/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sudly said:
So we can't read what they actually say or use logic to interpret holy books?

Any suggestions on how to interpret these bible lines?

- Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19
Don't wear fabrics of 2 kinds

Have you ever had heard of a wolf wearing sheep's clothing.

- All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 9:10
Don't eat shellfish, it is an abomination

Dietary laws that is telling us not to eat bottom feeders for they are unclean (toxic).

- If a man has sex with an animal, he must be put to death, and the animal must be killed. Leviticus 20:15
Kill a man and the animal if they sleep together

At the time God was trying to keep how the way that it is suppose to be. These people were ignorant, and God need to make sure that the people doesn't forget how it was before sin has entered; but if the small piece of leaven would of enter, it will grow and the people would never comes to the acknowledge that they were sick and need of a physician.

- Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. 31:17
Take and rape the virgins




The evil spirit was trying it best to make sure that the people stayed lost. Let say for an example, if you had a daughter that was molested, and so you will try your best to show a more different but better side to life, and so you will try to keep her away from those that are on the darkside so that she will not become accustom to it. I'm going to tell you that there are a lot of young girls out there doesn't know from what is right and wrong that they themselves becomes molesters thinking that there isn't anything wrong with it because it has became a normal lifestyle to them. And so she will never comes to the acknowledgement of how it was suppose to of been if you doesn't keep her away from that lifestyle.

Take and rape the virgins: It was someone interpretation, but in those days, they had concubines, and during those times that it was their custom to take the females of the tribe that they had defeated as concubines and which they didn't had any type of government assistance for homeless females that didn't have any means of support. As it says that the peoples of those times hearts were hard, but God had to dealt with them accordingly to their customs, to slowly bring them back. As it says, that if He did not, he would of have to destroy them all and that is what the evil spirit wants.


Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

Exodus 33:3 Go up to the land flowing with milk and honey. But I will not go with you, because you are a stiff-necked people and I might destroy you on the way.”

Luke 23:34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

Luke 6:36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

Matthew 5:45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Jonah 4:2 He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #21922132 - 07/09/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Okay cool, so the bibles meaning comes from how we interpret it seeing as we're not supposed to use logic. That's pretty subjective reasoning don't you think?

The fact is that everybody interprets things differently if they use their own interpretation. That's why we now have a growing number of religious fanatics who interpret holy books their way.

All you're doing is cherry picking the lines you don't like and interpreting the way you want them to be. Using subjective interpretations as a reason to justify your beliefs.


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: sudly]
    #21922357 - 07/09/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wrong forum bro. This place isn't for trolling religious beliefs or trying to cast doubt on the value of sacred texts, sorry.

I strongly disagree with what you posted, but I am afraid I have no desire to enter into a debate about it.

I will say one thing however, the fact that the author of the quoted texts mentioned "self-inconsistences" as a reason to reject holy books shows me instantly he has no clue what he is speaking about.

The reason for this is because the question holy books try to shed some light on is fundamentally a paradox (contradiction and paradox are in fact the essence of life to quote depak chopra). Hence, anyone who attempts to create any sort of system for understanding the spiritual side of life, will inevitably find themselves contradicting their own words.

Even the Lord Jesus Christ contradicts himself in the Bible, at times saying it is easy to follow him, at other times saying it is very difficult.

Is this because Jesus didn't know what was he was doing? Of course not. It is because people are interpreting the statements as being inherently true/false (ei they think that a statement that was once true must always be true). Unfortunately for them this is not how consciousness works.

Something that is absolutely true in one state of consciousness can suddenly become untrue in another state of consciousness and then go back to being true again in yet another state.

As Matt Kahn says, everything you learn at the beginning of the spiritual path turns around and reverses at the end.

So please take this garbage you posted elsewhere. Have you tried an atheist forum? For some reason I think you might find some folks there who like it.


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: Deviate]
    #21922391 - 07/09/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"Hence, anyone who attempts to create any sort of system for understanding the spiritual side of life, will inevitably find themselves contradicting their own words."

Haha thanks =)
You're basically just saying faith over logic.


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: sudly]
    #21922429 - 07/09/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, that is not at all what I am saying bro.

I am saying that the unexplainable naturally defies description.

Try explaining a level 5 mushroom trip to someone who ain't never tripped. Can you do it accurately, hell no. Can you, if you find the right words, convey some vague sense of it if the right person is listening? Yes, absolutely.

The same is true about the mystery of life, which is unexplainable (trying explain life so to someone who has never lived, lol you cant even explain it to someone who has). Yet non the less, if you find the right words, you can sometimes convey some of the essence of life, some of its tendencies and workings, etc if the right person is listening (thats what Jesus meant by those with ears to hear).

Anyway, that is what holy books try to do. They set out to do the impossible and then you accuse them for not succeeding. How silly.

I can understand holy books. I am sorry if you can't but I and many other can and how do I know I am understanding? Because my understanding of life increases and my experience of life improves as a result and I gain more power and freedom and joy from reading them. They speak about things I have experienced and I understand their language. Once again, I am sorry if you can't. I could help you to do so also, but you would need to change your attitude a bit first.


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: Deviate]
    #21922457 - 07/09/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There is much more I could say but I see from your post history others have tried to explain these things before and you have not listened. Why do you seek more answers if you don't respect that which has already been given? Do you respect the time of others?

This forum is not for aggressively challenging the ideas of others. I am peaceful being who does not desire confrontation. Can you respect that or no?


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: Deviate]
    #21922588 - 07/09/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

People have tried to explain a lot of religious stuff and I've said what I can to refute them. I appreciate the time of others but I have no obligation to respect their beliefs, only their right to hold them. If opposing ideas are too confrontational for you then maybe the internet isn't the right place for you =P

Unless you're referring to the mystery of life as the meaning of life the mystery of life is pretty well understood, evolution for one is understood very well. The beginnings of life have strong evidence pointing towards a chemical 'soup' that created the first amino acids and eventually proteins.

How the universe came to be is still up for debate but that's not what i'm addressing.

I accuse holy books for being misleading, morally corrupt and self contradicting. They contain claims of unicorns, monsters, demons, rivers of honey and wine, talking snakes, world wide floods with no geological evidence, life spans of 900 years, light before stars, plants before light, a young earth, flat earth, the sun revolving around the earth and numerous other supernatural superstitions.

On a purely logical basis all the holy books are absurd.
You can create your own meaning from the texts but then the texts themselves seem pretty redundant if each individual is going to cherry pick out the bits they like. That's why there are hundreds/thousands of different subsets of each religion, they can't all agree on the interpretations because they create them subjectively.


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: sudly]
    #21922852 - 07/10/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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People have tried to explain a lot of religious stuff and I've said what I can to refute them. I appreciate the time of others but I have no obligation to respect their beliefs, only their right to hold them.




Not true, when you participate in a forum you have an obligation to respect the rules and intentions of that forum. This forum is not for trolling religious and/or spiritual beliefs.

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If opposing ideas are too confrontational for you then maybe the internet isn't the right place for you =P




I am afraid that it is you who are in the wrong place. If I am in the mood for debate, I will go over to the debate forum. I am a more than adequate debater and quite capable of holding my own. However, I am busy with real life these days and don't generally wish to waste time sharing my knowledge with people who only want to piss all over it because they find that amusing.

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Unless you're referring to the mystery of life as the meaning of life the mystery of life is pretty well understood, evolution for one is understood very well. The beginnings of life have strong evidence pointing towards a chemical 'soup' that created the first amino acids and eventually proteins.

How the universe came to be is still up for debate but that's not what i'm addressing.




Ha! As if you can separate life from the origin of the universe! As if the universe itself wasn't alive. I am afraid we're not even in the same ballpark and you have yet to show any signs that you are even capable of understanding the ideas I am putting forward. Sorry. Don't have time to explain, have better things to do.

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I accuse holy books for being misleading, morally corrupt and self contradicting. They contain claims of unicorns, monsters, demons, rivers of honey and wine, talking snakes, world wide floods with no geological evidence, life spans of 900 years, light before stars, plants before light, a young earth, flat earth, the sun revolving around the earth and numerous other supernatural superstitions.




That's really great. Why don't you to take those ideas to the appropriate forum where you might find some people who care?

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On a purely logical basis all the holy books are absurd.
You can create your own meaning from the texts but then the texts themselves seem pretty redundant if each individual is going to cherry pick out the bits they like. That's why there are hundreds/thousands of different subsets of each religion, they can't all agree on the interpretations because they create them subjectively.




Have you ever considered the possibility that you simply don't understand what these books are trying to convey? Or are you too arrogant to allow such an idea into your mind?


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: sudly]
    #21923255 - 07/10/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
Okay cool, so the bibles meaning comes from how we interpret it seeing as we're not supposed to use logic. That's pretty subjective reasoning don't you think?

The fact is that everybody interprets things differently if they use their own interpretation. That's why we now have a growing number of religious fanatics who interpret holy books their way.

All you're doing is cherry picking the lines you don't like and interpreting the way you want them to be. Using subjective interpretations as a reason to justify your beliefs.




Jesus says that we must clean the inside of the cup and dish in order for the outside to be clean. The priest in those times had thought that they were cleansed from evil by just practicing the laws only, but they hearts were still full of evil which made everything that they had came into contact dirty. It says that satan had reigned in them ever since the fall, that is why God ordered Moses to make the image of the serpent and those that look at it, will live; and satan had shown Jesus everything that he created by corrupting the minds of the people, and told Jesus that all that he has created can be His that if Jesus worship him; but Jesus had came to take back what is His. So the devil is running the show right now, but Jesus has said that there will be a time that He will be raise as they had raised the serpent in the wilderness. He is going to bring in the truth to set the people free from the lies that controls them.


Luke 21:15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #21923384 - 07/10/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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...Jesus has said that there will be a time that He will be raise as they had raised the serpent in the wilderness. He is going to bring in the truth to set the people free from the lies that controls them.




"One difference between ISIL and other Islamist and jihadist movements is its emphasis on eschatology and apocalypticism, and its belief that the arrival of the Mahdi is imminent."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant


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Re: 'Holy Books' (moved) [Re: sudly]
    #21923962 - 07/10/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This thread was moved from Spirituality & Mysticism.

Reason:
Belongs here. "If you wish to critically analyze and argue a position, consider visiting our Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology forum instead."


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: PocketLady]
    #21924359 - 07/10/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Realize this, save yourself some trouble and conclude they must all be fiction. :nyan::awesomenod::cheers::congrats::hamsterdance:
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Re: 'Holy Books' (moved) [Re: Middleman]
    #21926855 - 07/11/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cheers, i'll read up on the exacts of each forum in the future.


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: Deviate]
    #21926875 - 07/11/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't read the rules of each forum and i'll do it in the future but my point still stands, I have no obligation to respect the beliefs of other people, only their right to hold those beliefs.

You haven't given much knowledge to piss over just a few statements that holy books have to be individually interpreted instead of read logically.
Depak Chopra isn't a great role model for logic.

I find it interesting to hear bias from both sides of any argument and will attempt to refute things I do not agree with and will state my reasons why.

"Ha! As if you can separate life from the origin of the universe! As if the universe itself wasn't alive."
Life is not inherent to the universe. The universe is not 'designed' for life and is extremely hostile, unforgiving and unsupportive of life.
That's a huge assumption to say the universe is alive, do you have any objective evidence for such a claim or is it just a faith based belief you hold?

I didn't know that I had placed this in the wrong forum and apologies for any confusions.

It's evidently very difficult to understand what holy books convey seeing as there are numerous different interpretations of each holy book that are fairly different from one another.
If they were so easy to understand wouldn't everyone have the same idea about what they convey?


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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: sudly]
    #21927875 - 07/11/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You haven't given much knowledge to piss over just a few statements that holy books have to be individually interpreted instead of read logically.




I think this is why the spiritual path is difficult for some people to understand, because, unlike science, it is not entirely based on logic, and nor should it be. One of the things many paths try to address is the distinct imbalance between logic and intuition, masculine vs feminine, small details vs the big picture, "I think" vs "I am". For so long, humanity has relied almost entirely on the intellectual mind over anything else, and look where that has got us. Spirituality has always sought to redress that situation, by connecting a person to their hearts and the wisdom contained within their souls.

When you explore deep into various traditions, you find that it is not a matter of individual interpretation (although obviously that does come into play because we are individuals). In Kabbalah they have paRDeS for example, which are different levels of interpretation of biblical texts.

Peshat (פְּשָׁט) — "surface" ("straight") or the literal (direct) meaning.[1]
Remez (רֶמֶז) — "hints" or the deep (allegoric: hidden or symbolic) meaning beyond just the literal sense.
Derash (דְּרַשׁ) — from Hebrew darash: "inquire" ("seek") — the comparative (midrashic) meaning, as given through similar occurrences.
Sod (סוֹד) (pronounced with a long O as in 'sore') — "secret" ("mystery") or the esoteric/mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.


Now, although some of the deeper meanings do come from inspiration, it is not a case of everyone having their own interpretations. Those who reach the level of being able to understand the esoteric meaning will all have similar revelations as a result of their spiritual practice and attainment. And this is where the rational and the spiritual part company. The rational mind cannot accept that there is something out there that cannot be explained by it, by thought and by logic. But these kind of experiences are not of the small thinking mind. They come from spiritual knowing, gnosis, direct connection to the divine. But the mind cannot comprehend that, nor prove it in a scientific way that it can understand, so it says that that is not possible, or that it is just some trick or flaw in the intellect that causes such an experience.


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The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
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Re: 'Holy Books' [Re: PocketLady]
    #21927912 - 07/11/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It's evidently very difficult to understand what holy books convey seeing as there are numerous different interpretations of each holy book that are fairly different from one another.
If they were so easy to understand wouldn't everyone have the same idea about what they convey?




I also want to add that there is a reason why not everyone understands holy texts on the same level, and that is down to spiritual experience and the "readiness" of a student to be able to understand and access that information. It's like when you learn how to fence. They don't start you off with swords with sharp blades, because you could hurt yourself or other people. The same is true of spiritual knowledge and spiritual practices. If you picked up how to perform some advance meditation technique from a holy book before you knew the basics, you could do yourself serious harm. Only once you have reached a certain level will the next level of understanding be "unlocked" for you. It's a bit like a video game.


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

~ Rumi



The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir


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