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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ballsalsa]
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zappaisgod said: I never had an apprentice program and I am a master carpenter. Business owners do not get to work a 40 hour week. They don't get time and a half either. They don't get paid leave or paid vacations. They take risks and usually get rewarded but sometimes they fuck up a bid and have to work for nothing. Nothing, in case you didn't know, is less than minimum wage.
If you don't like the terms of employment with me you are quite welcome to fuck off back to the pub. I'll get somebody else.
congratulations. you must have had a skilled guy teaching you. I am a journeyman plumber, and i also didn't go through a union apprenticeship. I got lucky to have a very skilled plumber teaching me the trade. Not everyone is so lucky. Here in L.A. it seems like more than half of the "plumbers" are being taught to do shit wrong. They don't know the difference between a vent 90, and a medium sweep 90. i see guys hook up drains with no fall. etc. That wouldn't happen if they were union guys. just sayin. Also, i know its possible to underbid a job and end up in the red, because i've done it. But i learned from it, and i have a feeling that you don't do that to yourself too often.(you seem like a savvy guy). i would bet that most of the time, you as the owner, collect the lions share of the dough.(even after paying a decent wage and all the insurance expenses etc.) Finally, i've seen you say that youre a master carpenter, but i don't know what that means. For all i know, you are a "master" framer or something. hell, framing is like laying carpet(a monkey could learn the trade in 6 months). Then again, you could be a finish carpenter or a cabinet maker, which would require a respectable amount of skill. I prefer to assume the latter, because most of the framers i know are dumber than a box of rocks.
Finish carpentry is the monkey carpentry. The math involved for framing is intense. Consider this. You have a hip roof with unequal pitches and the overhang has to be the same. Whatcha gonna do? Hang a door? No, framing is way more complex than little work unless you're doing tract houses with trusses. That isn't what I do. Go outside, drive around and look at some crazy ass roofs. Somebody figured them out. Trim is bullshit.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yeah, trump with his $10B is doing pretty well for a guy who doesn't have to hammer a nail. He can afford to spend a B or two having fun as he is now.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
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If he has 10 billion dollars how come hes declared bankruptcy so many times and ripped off so many people?
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
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fair enough. 
on a related note, i once worked on a job where a newlywed couple from australia had bought their first home, and hired their real estate inspector to be the GC on the remodel. the customers wanted high ceilings so the guy said no problem, and just knocked out all the ceiling joists, threw up some drywall and called it good. This same guy ran all the drains backwards towards the kitchen, and left multiple leaking sweat joints on the copper pipes. the mud was a foot deep under the entire house, and green and black mold was growing on every surface. the guy was a monster. definitely not a union man. helluva negotiator though. apparently, this guy managed to get these poor dumb people to pay him off on the final third, and sign papers releasing him of liability.
but you didn't address my other points.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: fair enough. 
on a related note, i once worked on a job where a newlywed couple from australia had bought their first home, and hired their real estate inspector to be the GC on the remodel. the customers wanted high ceilings so the guy said no problem, and just knocked out all the ceiling joists, threw up some drywall and called it good. This same guy ran all the drains backwards towards the kitchen, and left multiple leaking sweat joints on the copper pipes. the mud was a foot deep under the entire house, and green and black mold was growing on every surface. the guy was a monster. definitely not a union man. helluva negotiator though. apparently, this guy managed to get these poor dumb people to pay him off on the final third, and sign papers releasing him of liability.
but you didn't address my other points.
That is not only an incompetent contractor but he has no business being an inspector because he is a fucking idiot who knows nothing about construction. His incompetence has nothing to do with unionism. I'm a fucking carpenter and I know how to sweat a joint that doesn't leak. Do you know who else are retards? The homeowners.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21925673 - 07/10/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If he has 10 billion dollars how come hes declared bankruptcy so many times and ripped off so many people?
That's how he got rich, just like all the politicians. Most people must have thought they didn't get ripped off because he is not in jail. He could buy and sell you out of his pocket change or one days income.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21925708 - 07/10/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I never had an apprentice program and I am a master carpenter. Business owners do not get to work a 40 hour week. They don't get time and a half either. They don't get paid leave or paid vacations. They take risks and usually get rewarded but sometimes they fuck up a bid and have to work for nothing. Nothing, in case you didn't know, is less than minimum wage.
If you don't like the terms of employment with me you are quite welcome to fuck off back to the pub. I'll get somebody else.
congratulations. you must have had a skilled guy teaching you. Not everyone is so lucky. Here in L.A. it seems like more than half of the "plumbers" are being taught to do shit wrong. Also, i know its possible to underbid a job and end up in the red, because i've done it. But i have a feeling that you don't do that to yourself too often.(you seem like a savvy guy). i would bet that most of the time, you as the owner, collect the lions share of the dough.(even after paying a decent wage and all the insurance expenses etc.)
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
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ballsalsa said:
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zappaisgod said: I never had an apprentice program and I am a master carpenter. Business owners do not get to work a 40 hour week. They don't get time and a half either. They don't get paid leave or paid vacations. They take risks and usually get rewarded but sometimes they fuck up a bid and have to work for nothing. Nothing, in case you didn't know, is less than minimum wage.
If you don't like the terms of employment with me you are quite welcome to fuck off back to the pub. I'll get somebody else.
congratulations. you must have had a skilled guy teaching you. I am a journeyman plumber, and i also didn't go through a union apprenticeship. I got lucky to have a very skilled plumber teaching me the trade. Not everyone is so lucky. Here in L.A. it seems like more than half of the "plumbers" are being taught to do shit wrong. They don't know the difference between a vent 90, and a medium sweep 90. i see guys hook up drains with no fall. etc. That wouldn't happen if they were union guys. just sayin. Also, i know its possible to underbid a job and end up in the red, because i've done it. But i learned from it, and i have a feeling that you don't do that to yourself too often.(you seem like a savvy guy). i would bet that most of the time, you as the owner, collect the lions share of the dough.(even after paying a decent wage and all the insurance expenses etc.) Finally, i've seen you say that youre a master carpenter, but i don't know what that means. For all i know, you are a "master" framer or something. hell, framing is like laying carpet(a monkey could learn the trade in 6 months). Then again, you could be a finish carpenter or a cabinet maker, which would require a respectable amount of skill. I prefer to assume the latter, because most of the framers i know are dumber than a box of rocks.
Finish carpentry is the monkey carpentry. The math involved for framing is intense. Consider this. You have a hip roof with unequal pitches and the overhang has to be the same. Whatcha gonna do? Hang a door? No, framing is way more complex than little work unless you're doing tract houses with trusses. That isn't what I do. Go outside, drive around and look at some crazy ass roofs. Somebody figured them out. Trim is bullshit.
Exactly. I bet over 90 percent of the population couldn't build a basic house yet alone these new houses with crazy roof angles iuand crazy dormers and people want secret hidden rooms where they can stash their valuables or drugs or whatever they don't want anyone to ever find.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
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zappaisgod said: If he has 10 billion dollars how come hes declared bankruptcy so many times and ripped off so many people?
That's how he got rich, just like all the politicians. Most people must have thought they didn't get ripped off because he is not in jail. He could buy and sell you out of his pocket change or one days income.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
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zappaisgod said: If he has 10 billion dollars how come hes declared bankruptcy so many times and ripped off so many people?
That's how he got rich, just like all the politicians. Most people must have thought they didn't get ripped off because he is not in jail. He could buy and sell you out of his pocket change or one days income.
But you can't, so what does it matter?
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21925928 - 07/10/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I respect his ability to make money and no, he does not rip people off though there have been some controversies. He is having fun and when this is all over he will cash in on the additional fame he earned doing it. Better hope he doesn't see this thread and send some goons over to have a talk with you.
If going bankrupt is crooked then why is it legal?
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
#21925961 - 07/10/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: I respect his ability to make money and no, he does not rip people off though there have been some controversies. He is having fun and when this is all over he will cash in on the additional fame he earned doing it. Better hope he doesn't see this thread and send some goons over to have a talk with you.
I have my own goons. I'm a contractor, too, and the guys like me. I doubt anybody likes combover except for his money.Quote:
If going bankrupt is crooked then why is it legal?
I don't know. I think it is horseshit. If he has billions why does he get to screw people he borrowed money from? I also don't think he has billions but he probably does have enough to pay the people he ripped off. From the TV show, not from anything else. How the fuck do you lose money owning a casino?
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21925982 - 07/10/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>I have my own goons.
Lol, if they came to your door it would be like "yes sir, no sir, it won't happen again sir"
>How the fuck do you lose money owning a casino?
Lots of people have. I've seen the closed casinos in vegas and its worse in atlantic city. The overhead is huge, tons of people to pay, bribes to give, taxes, and every cheat in the world passes through trying to rip you off. The local economy just tanked. He must not have lost much if he still has ten big ones. BTW, that's not what you call big ones, thousands.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
#21926005 - 07/10/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >I have my own goons.
Lol, if they came to your door it would be like "yes sir, no sir, it won't happen again sir"
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>How the fuck do you lose money owning a casino?
Lots of people have. I've seen the closed casinos in vegas and its worse in atlantic city. The overhead is huge, tons of people to pay, bribes to give, taxes, and every cheat in the world passes through trying to rip you off. The local economy just tanked. He must not have lost much if he still has ten big ones. BTW, that's not what you call big ones, thousands.
So sad. I do not believe Trump has billions, by the way. Most of his money came from the TV show. He is heavily leveraged. If my house is worth a million but the balance of my mortgage is 750K how much do I have? I'm keeping the math simple for you. Trump is a huckster and a fraud and a scumbag
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
#21926021 - 07/10/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is the stupidest shit I've ever seen "Donald Trump could kick your ass hur hur hur"
What does that have to do with anything? It's not like you know the man. Get off his dick.
You're acting like he's the coolest cat on the planet, but what does he have to do with anything?
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Trump could kick both your asses, hur hur. Zap is jealous.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
#21926065 - 07/10/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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trumpty-dumpty must be a good negotiator at least; i heard that he doesn't have a morality clause in any of his T.V. contracts
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ballsalsa]
#21926162 - 07/10/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not talkin' down about the man, as he's obviously doing something right! I just feel that this fella has an unhealthy obsession with the man.
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Stonefuck is just trolling zappa.
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