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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21924222 - 07/10/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I'm in NY. Almost always have been except for 3 years in Lexington KY fresh out of college.
Sorry man I thought you were in Florida for some reason. But yeah if a union affords good workers protection why would you be against hiring good workers? And as far as prevailing wage jobs, they are bid accordingly you make more money your workers make more money so it 's not like if you bid low you're not making a nice chunk of change for yourself. Do you post performance bonds on your jobs?
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21924232 - 07/10/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not against hiring good workers. I just don't think union workers are better and they are definitely whinier. And then there is the issue of the fact that I'd also be paying union bureaucrats and funding their political contributions to scumbags. Nah.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21924242 - 07/10/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you post performance bonds on your jobs?
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21924254 - 07/10/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21924280 - 07/10/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So you do no big jobs? or open bid jobs?
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21924295 - 07/10/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No. I do new residential construction and remodeling. Some small commercial occasionally. I looked into government shit a while ago. No fucking thanks. It's fucking ridiculous. Just as an FYI I won't do big commercial either. Because they are done by a bunch of Donald Trumps who demand shit and then declare bankruptcy. He has fucked more people than Bernie Madoff. At least Madoff only fucked people who willingly handed their money to him. I wouldn't piss on Trump if he was on fire.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21924309 - 07/10/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>I do new residential construction and remodeling.
When you aren't goofing off like today.
With trump's billions, he is doing much better than you.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21924322 - 07/10/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bosses like you are why workers need rights. You think just because you own your own company your some sorta Zappa God and can rule with a iron first
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
#21924353 - 07/10/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Bosses like you are why workers need rights. You think just because you own your own company your some sorta Zappa God and can rule with a iron first
But, in case you weren't aware, that's how the real world works.
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In a unionized environment you have rights.. I've yelled and sworn at my supervisor and I didn't get so much as a warning the only reasons you guys are giving to be anti union are: paying dues, getting out of work/ not having to work
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#21924407 - 07/10/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't need a Union because I'm not a slacker.
Everyone I know who is union does it because they can slack off on the job and get paid way more than they are worth.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Shins]
#21925236 - 07/10/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So you'd rather do more work for less money? I don't see the logic
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
#21925314 - 07/10/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: In a unionized environment you have rights.. I've yelled and sworn at my supervisor and I didn't get so much as a warning the only reasons you guys are giving to be anti union are: paying dues, getting out of work/ not having to work
That's deplorable! You should've been fired on the spot.
Why do you assume anyone has a problem with dues? You kinda just pulled that one out of your ass.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#21925320 - 07/10/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd rather be honest yeah.
Its a matter of work ethnic.
Most people have terrible and inconsistent ethics, that's why there are unions.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Shins] 1
#21925323 - 07/10/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exactly.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
#21925346 - 07/10/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Definitely right to work. Fuck the closed shops and crooked union bosses that just want to take your dues.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21925485 - 07/10/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I never had an apprentice program and I am a master carpenter. Business owners do not get to work a 40 hour week. They don't get time and a half either. They don't get paid leave or paid vacations. They take risks and usually get rewarded but sometimes they fuck up a bid and have to work for nothing. Nothing, in case you didn't know, is less than minimum wage.
If you don't like the terms of employment with me you are quite welcome to fuck off back to the pub. I'll get somebody else.
congratulations. you must have had a skilled guy teaching you. I am a journeyman plumber, and i also didn't go through a union apprenticeship. I got lucky to have a very skilled plumber teaching me the trade. Not everyone is so lucky. Here in L.A. it seems like more than half of the "plumbers" are being taught to do shit wrong. They don't know the difference between a vent 90, and a medium sweep 90. i see guys hook up drains with no fall. etc. That wouldn't happen if they were union guys. just sayin. Also, i know its possible to underbid a job and end up in the red, because i've done it. But i learned from it, and i have a feeling that you don't do that to yourself too often.(you seem like a savvy guy). i would bet that most of the time, you as the owner, collect the lions share of the dough.(even after paying a decent wage and all the insurance expenses etc.) Finally, i've seen you say that youre a master carpenter, but i don't know what that means. For all i know, you are a "master" framer or something. hell, framing is like laying carpet(a monkey could learn the trade in 6 months). Then again, you could be a finish carpenter or a cabinet maker, which would require a respectable amount of skill. I prefer to assume the latter, because most of the framers i know are dumber than a box of rocks.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
#21925503 - 07/10/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Definitely right to work. Fuck the closed shops and crooked union bosses that just want to take your dues.
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So that one person's argument applies to all of us? What are union dues? $20? How cheap do you think we are?
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#21925533 - 07/10/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >I do new residential construction and remodeling.
When you aren't goofing off like today.
With trump's billions, he is doing much better than you.
Trump is a serial bankrupt who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. Guess how many times my companies have filed for bankruptcy. Trump has probably fucked more people than Madoff.
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Stonehenge said: Definitely right to work. Fuck the closed shops and crooked union bosses that just want to take your dues.
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So that one person's argument applies to all of us? What are union dues? $20? How cheap do you think we are?
When I had my book in the heavy equipment operators union dues were 45$ every quarter. I could kick myself for dropping my card but I started doing new constructions and remodeling and made bank for a few years.
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