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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21921435 - 07/09/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>I'll fire anybody I want any time I want for any reason I want.

You can't fire me




You are right.  I would never have hired you


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21921437 - 07/09/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe I should join a union! Then I can sit in the corner and smoke crack all day instead of working!


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace] * 1
    #21921445 - 07/09/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can do eet!


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21921448 - 07/09/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Being union doesn't mean you don't do any work


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921452 - 07/09/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being union doesn't mean you don't do any work




Sure, but it means you don't have to.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21921458 - 07/09/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But you do...


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921474 - 07/09/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Doesn't sound like it to me.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921479 - 07/09/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'll fire anybody I want any time I want for any reason I want.  If you don't like it start your own company and compete with me.  My guess is it will not go well for you.




Perfect example of why unions are good



You wouldn't think that if it was your company.  Fucks ups cost the other employees as well.  If I don't make money because you are an inept shit I have less money to pay good workers and less money to dole out for bonuses.  If I make money off your ass I'll keep you.  If I lose money off your ass I'll kick it to the curb.  Your welfare state kleptocism is exactly why unions are bullshit.  You don't like how the company is treating you?  Start your own.  Why do you need other people to fight your battles for you?.  Testicular inadequacy?


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21921482 - 07/09/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Obviously you've never worked in a union environment. They will order you to work, if you refuse they will suspend you. They will also tell the union to tell you to work.  The only way you get out of work is if it's not.your job


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921496 - 07/09/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just bustin' your balls with the "don't have to work" thing, but I only say that to prove a point. That's the type of mindset unions lead to.

Unions teach you that you're not responsible for your actions, and that someone will always be around to clean up your messes.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21921499 - 07/09/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Like I said it depends what side of the fence you are on,  employer and it's bad, employee it's good...  Ok so a dickhead boss tries forcing you to stay ot or some bullshit,  and when you refuse he  fires you. Sinse tour union they'll acknowledge that's it's un just and it won't hold up,  if you r non union,  you just lost your job


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921500 - 07/09/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being union doesn't mean you don't do any work



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Obviously you've never worked in a union environment. They will order you to work, if you refuse they will suspend you. They will also tell the union to tell you to work.  The only way you get out of work is if it's not.your job



I've worked on jobs that involved unions.  They are lazy prima dona fucks who won't do anything not specifically their job in order to prtect other unions.  For instance the carpenter won't sweep even a tiny room so that the laborers will have a job. 





Unions vastly increase the cost of a construction job due to inefficiency, incompetence and collusion.  They fuck all customers but they fuck the taxpayer the most.  Union workers are greedy fucks who couldn't make it in competition without the government support


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21921503 - 07/09/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree. But you have to take the good with the bad... And if your an employee the good far out weights the bad


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21921511 - 07/09/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being union doesn't mean you don't do any work



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Obviously you've never worked in a union environment. They will order you to work, if you refuse they will suspend you. They will also tell the union to tell you to work.  The only way you get out of work is if it's not.your job



I've worked on jobs that involved unions.  They are lazy prima dona fucks who won't do anything not specifically their job in order to prtect other unions.  For instance the carpenter won't sweep even a tiny room so that the laborers will have a job. 





Unions vastly increase the cost of a construction job due to inefficiency, incompetence and collusion.  They fuck all customers but they fuck the taxpayer the most.  Union workers are greedy fucks who couldn't make it in competition without the government support




Agian your proving my point that unions try to create jobs


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921539 - 07/09/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Zappa can't fire me or refuse to hire me. Ha ha. I hire guys like him all the time to do some dirty work.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21921553 - 07/09/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can't fire you because I would never hire you.

Unions kill jobs, they don't create them.  The only jobs unions create are in the office of the union for bureaucrats who prey on membership by sucking from the work of union members.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21921560 - 07/09/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Actually no its the opposite,  unions try to create every pointless job that they can because let's face it more workers = more union dues...  What don't you get about it depends what side of the fence your on


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921565 - 07/09/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But I'm not an employer. I'm the low man on the totem pole.

Unions may help with instant gratification. As in "No, I'm not staying late and you can't fire me for it", but it fucks everything up in the long haul. I may not have wanted to stay late, but there was a reason I was being asked to.

It's like tenure at schools. The teacher might be a lazy alcoholic fuck, but she can't be fired because she's been there too long. Which fucks everything up.

Y'know what I mean? This post might be a little incoherent, though, as I finally just caught me a buzz, but I feel as if I've made my point clear.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21921569 - 07/09/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can't refuse to hire me because I would never ask you for a job. I find out of work carpenters like you all day long when I need some work done. You were posting on the board this morning when you were supposed to be working.

mm, you are on the side of the slackers.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921573 - 07/09/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually no its the opposite,  unions try to create every pointless job that they can because let's face it more workers = more union dues...  What don't you get about it depends what side of the fence your on




But that's like saying welfare checks are a good thing because the person receiving them just got "free money".

We're all pretty much saying the same thing, we just disagree on whether it's a good thing or not.


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