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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21920285 - 07/09/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So you say. No quotes, no links, go away.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21920325 - 07/09/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can't put quotes or links on my phone


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #21920352 - 07/09/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck unions. Every time you pay your union dues, the communists win.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123] * 3
    #21920359 - 07/09/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Can't put quotes or links on my phone




That's what I'd say too if I was pulling my argument out of my ass :rolleyes:


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21920389 - 07/09/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Can't put quotes or links on my phone




That's what I'd say too if I was pulling my argument out of my ass :rolleyes:




Good one!


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21920392 - 07/09/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Go type it into google yourself


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21920417 - 07/09/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You Americans buying into this anti union propaganda,  I don't understand how anyone could be against them... Why? Cuz of union dues?  So what! Paying 20 bucks a month for job security and benefits, sounds like a pretty good trade off to me :shrug:


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #21920539 - 07/09/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You Americans buying into this anti union propaganda,  I don't understand how anyone could be against them...



You Canadians buying into this pro union propaganda, I don't understand how anyone could be for them. . .


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace] * 1
    #21920694 - 07/09/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have no problem with voluntary private unions.

I have problems with public unions and unions that force you to join in order to br employed by the company.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Shins]
    #21920920 - 07/09/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You obviously have very little knowledge on the subject, the reason why unions force you to join to be employed by the company is because they negotiate your contact. Every employee is governed by that contract, and the company has to follow the contract too


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21920986 - 07/09/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Unions make business non competitive. That is why so many jobs are moving off shore.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #21921008 - 07/09/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You obviously have very little knowledge on the subject, the reason why unions force you to join to be employed by the company is because they negotiate your contact. Every employee is governed by that contract, and the company has to follow the contract too





Oh I have knowledge.  I said thst I have a problem with it being mandatory that a union negotiates a contract on my behalf.  I want to have the freedom to negotiate my own contract with a company and compete with the union if I choose.  I have a problem with government legislation that forces companies to play nall with unions.


I'm all in favot of non-forced, voluntary private unions, co-op, or communes for all I care, as long as it is private and voluntary and as long as the government does not pass legislation to favor private unions.


public sector unions should be banned if for no other reason than that they are absolutely anti-democracy.  The people elect democratic representatives and then the unions demand to collective bargain eith them.  The people have spoken and our representatives have tabled a budget.  Public unions should not be able to try and subvert the democratic process.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21921115 - 07/09/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's because companies want cheap labour.... They can afford to pay but don't want to.. That's why they go to China or Mexico for they can pay a fifth of the wage


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Shins]
    #21921120 - 07/09/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I get your point but you can't have a work force of some union and non union members, it doesn't work like that


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921126 - 07/09/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You really think business can compete with china, Indonesia, fillipines, india, etc etc paying union wages and having slacker union workers? Maybe in the 50's but not today. Other countries are not burdened by unions.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21921150 - 07/09/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So agian the problem comes back to company choosing to move over seas to get around paying decent wages. PS those countries are known for using child labour


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921183 - 07/09/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Or maybe we can agree that the world is a fucked up place, with all big business operating in bad faith. and capitalism is about making people at the top all the money,  while the lowly labourer barely gets by while breaking his back day in and day out.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21921224 - 07/09/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>So agian the problem comes back to company choosing to move over seas to get around paying decent wages

No, the point once again went right over your head. They had to go offshore to survive, to be able to compete in the marketplace against other countries which do not have as much featherbedding as we do here.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21921240 - 07/09/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I suspect that the idea of competition is lost on the little ones who got trophies for participating in order to bolster their self esteem.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21921293 - 07/09/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They make the goods for us... Don't buy into that,  that they HAVE  to move,  they can afford to pay wages,  don't act like they are strapped for cash


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