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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21917018 - 07/08/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always paid my workers the best that I could. If they worked hard and got a job done early and made me some money on a particular job they all got a bonus. But if they were lazy asses and we broke even or even lost money on a job I paid them their original pay even though I lost money. I learned the phrase "If you give an inch they'll take a mile" the hard way.
My partners and I were smart enough that we never went bankrupt but we lost money the first few years but now we haven't lost money on a job in 3 Years and that's only when we dropped the dead weight. Well they actually left on their own but it worked out to benefit us.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21917096 - 07/08/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Union carpenters around here are protected by the government with nonsense prevailing wage laws for projects.
Well thenyour beef should not be with the carpenters or their union, but with the legislators. Do you work for free I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say a big fat no why should the guys that work for you work for free?
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21917179 - 07/08/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"right to work" is a euphemism for the right to get screwed by your employer. It is a union breaking tactic, and it has been very effective. If people can enjoy the benefit of the union, without contributing to it, they will, because people are selfish. If union membership declines, the union has less ability to bargain for better wages etc. If unions have less bargaining power, they get a shittier deal. if they get a shittier deal, the freeloaders get a shittier deal. so on and so forth.

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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21917224 - 07/08/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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People aren't forced to work any job. If their talented enough or work hard enough they more then likely can find a better paying job then the one they have. If they can't find a better paying job they can start their own business. I worked for someone who paid me a whole lot less then what I should have been getting for the work I was doing. He didn't want to pay me any more then that so I quit and started my own business with what I learned and the tools that I had to buy to work for him. I nearly quadrupled what I was making for him and am now one of his competitors.
Nobody's forcing anyone to work a shit job. There's always better jobs out there and if you strive to find one you more then likely will. I hear people complain about their job all the time yet they do nothing to find a better one. And I so know pepole who love their job and I saw how hard they worked to get to that point.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: ballsalsa]
#21917252 - 07/08/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exactly. Because with a capitalist society, employers have little incentive to pay good wages. And usually pay as little as possible
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
#21917363 - 07/08/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I try to pay my employees as much as I can (when I have them). I do understand this is not the norm though. If someone works hard and efficiently they should get paid accordingly. I know alot of employers are out to get as much money as they can and squeeze every doliar that they can out of their employees. What alot of people don't realize though is how much employers have to pay in taxes, workers comp, insurance, etc. It's hard, especially for smaller businesses to pay their employees what they deserve. But like I said before if an employee of mine busts their ass and makes me some cash I will compensate accordingly.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: DTCharlieB]
#21917482 - 07/08/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DTCharlieB said: I try to pay my employees as much as I can (when I have them). I do understand this is not the norm though. If someone works hard and efficiently they should get paid accordingly. I know alot of employers are out to get as much money as they can and squeeze every doliar that they can out of their employees. What alot of people don't realize though is how much employers have to pay in taxes, workers comp, insurance, etc. It's hard, especially for smaller businesses to pay their employees what they deserve. But like I said before if an employee of mine busts their ass and makes me some cash I will compensate accordingly.
See you actually get it to an extent but if most employers had the kind of people who go above and beyond They still pocket the cash rather than paying their people better. It's not so much the money but the gesture. I do not have the words to explain this the way I wan't to. And yes a union does protect slackers but in right to work states employers often pay every one as a slacker. I've been on both sides of the coin employer and employee so I'm not being biased. All in all you get what you pay for. You wanna be a dick and say your welcome to go elsewhere well you know damn well that it is a buyers market but if your employees are unified they will police themselves as far as Slackers and Rate busters.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: DTCharlieB]
#21917633 - 07/09/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm glad to hear you have morals and try to.make things fair for people. But usually the problem isn't about small businesses like yours, but with big business, and corporations. That have huge amounts of profit, and enjoy huge tax breaks, and still nickel and dime employees. Paying as little as possible, no benefits ( when they can afford it) no holidays etc so it's vital you have a strong union ( that isn't bribed) to fight for you, so can earn a decent living, and not get fucked around
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
#21918194 - 07/09/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Your a typical ignorant American
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
#21918876 - 07/09/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: I'm glad to hear you have morals and try to.make things fair for people. But usually the problem isn't about small businesses like yours, but with big business, and corporations. That have huge amounts of profit, and enjoy huge tax breaks, and still nickel and dime employees. Paying as little as possible, no benefits ( when they can afford it) no holidays etc so it's vital you have a strong union ( that isn't bribed) to fight for you, so can earn a decent living, and not get fucked around
What horseshit. When companies cane get together to set wages I'll accept employees getting together to negotiate them. But they can't. You don't like the deal at one company go to another one. Stop whining. Unions are collusion, coercion and monopolism.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21918985 - 07/09/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What horseshit. When companies cane get together to set wages I'll accept employees getting together to negotiate them. But they can't.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21920074 - 07/09/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Go watch the documentry food Inc, there is a part where it shows how the meat packing industry was union with good wages. But the companies got greedy and wouldn't raise wages with inflation, pay benefits etc. And they got together with the government to hire illegal immigrants from Mexico ( placing adds on Mexican bus stops, newspaper etc) to work in the states at they're plant ( Tyson foods for example) while being an illegal immigrant might I add. And the companies made a deal with the government that they could only take away X amount of employees a day for it wouldn't impact production... that's a perfect example of companies getting together to establish low wages. I may have missed a few points, but watch FOOD INC and it is there
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
#21920108 - 07/09/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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They either do that or overseas producers take all our market share and no one has a job.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
#21920146 - 07/09/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How can you possibly say that when it's the companies that are making record profits. Oh and how much do ceos make???
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
#21920187 - 07/09/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It makes no difference what the ceo makes. If he made nothing and they divided up his salary each employee might get a couple dollars a year extra. Woopie!
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
#21920211 - 07/09/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok go see how much the wal mart ceo makes compared to the employees
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
#21920215 - 07/09/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Divide it by millions of employees and its just a few dollars a year like I said.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
#21920225 - 07/09/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Obviously you haven't looked at anything, I just googled ceo vs worker pay and look what comes up
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
#21920247 - 07/09/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You look it up.
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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Stonehenge]
#21920259 - 07/09/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did and it proves my point
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