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Right to work vs Closed Shop
    #21916284 - 07/08/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What say you guys? What are your opinions on both? If you don't know what these terms mean Google them. Discuss Intelligently.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21916357 - 07/08/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody is going to google anything, man. Fix the OP with an explanation. I can't talk about work stuff if you're going to be this lazy.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123] * 1
    #21916369 - 07/08/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck unions.  They are anachronisms and useless


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21916444 - 07/08/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The rise of the middle class has come in no small part because of the labor movement. The fall of the union movement has coincided with its diminishing fortunes.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: koods]
    #21916455 - 07/08/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

noone has an absolute right to work. they have to figure it out for themselves and find something that they are good at, and can prove it.


if i dont want to hire you, guess what, asshole? i wont fucking hire you. i don't need a reason.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: koods]
    #21916464 - 07/08/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The rise of the middle class in the US came about because the rest of the world was in ruins after WW2.  Even FDR decried public sector unions and he was actually right about something for once.  There is no rationale for unions anymore.  Companies don't get to collude to set wages.  It is illegal.  Why should union labor get to collude?


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Adolin]
    #21916468 - 07/08/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Definitely right to work. Fuck the closed shops and crooked union bosses that just want to take your dues.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: Adolin]
    #21916469 - 07/08/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gresh said:
noone has an absolute right to work. they have to figure it out for themselves and find something that they are good at, and can prove it.


if i dont want to hire you, guess what, asshole? i wont fucking hire you. i don't need a reason.



I don't think you understand the term.  It is a specific thing.  Google it right to work wiki


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21916482 - 07/08/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yup. youre right. i had no idea what they meant, i was just inferring from the thread title


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21916492 - 07/08/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nobody is going to google anything, man. Fix the OP with an explanation. I can't talk about work stuff if you're going to be this lazy.



WTF guy I'm not getting paid for this Call me lazy? it took more energy typing this than it would for you to google it.
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Fuck unions.  They are anachronisms and useless


I am not talking about the SEIU type unions If I'm on a scafold 200 feet in the air and fall off even while harnessed I want someone to go to bat for me. And the my post says discuss intelligently. Can you explain your reasoning or are you gonna just post rhetoric?


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21916502 - 07/08/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Moron


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21916504 - 07/08/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>If I'm on a scafold 200 feet in the air and fall off even while harnessed I want someone to go to bat

If you fall 200 feet you don't need someone to go to bat for you. You need to be buried.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21916514 - 07/08/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nobody is going to google anything, man. Fix the OP with an explanation. I can't talk about work stuff if you're going to be this lazy.



WTF guy I'm not getting paid for this Call me lazy? it took more energy typing this than it would for you to google it.





Fine. I googled it. A quick summary would still be nice to focus the discussion a bit.

Isn't there a middle ground between the two?


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21916526 - 07/08/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you fall off a scaffold that was not defective due to negligence by your employer you have no recompense for negligence and all your med bills plus pay will be made from worker's compensation insurance.  If you are working on a scaffold you would probably be stunned by how much workmen's comp costs your employer.  For my category it is 15% of every gross employee dollar.  That equals the combined employer and employee contribution to the FICA scam


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21916533 - 07/08/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Moron



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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21916534 - 07/08/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Denying somebody else the ability to take your job by working harder and/or for less is an act of violence that hurts society as a whole.  Striking is fine, collective action is fine, denying the employer the right to hire somebody else is not.  That is the kind of behavior that makes corporate monopolies both bad and illegal - the same should hold for labor monopolies.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21916589 - 07/08/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you fall off a scaffold that was not defective due to negligence by your employer you have no recompense for negligence and all your med bills plus pay will be made from worker's compensation insurance.  If you are working on a scaffold you would probably be stunned by how much workmen's comp costs your employer.  For my category it is 15% of every gross employee dollar.  That equals the combined employer and employee contribution to the FICA scam



So what are you trying to say You still have not answered the question. Using the scaffold as an example if I fall even if I'm following all of OSHAs rules so to you it = Fuck you charlie deal with it? Obviously you have never worked a job where you were in any danger other than a paper cut.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21916590 - 07/08/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your a typical ignorant American


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21916611 - 07/08/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Your a typical ignorant American




Ignorant of what?  Your perspective?  :lol:  Calling somebody ignorant when you disagree is a sign of a frustrated and ineffective debater.


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Re: Right to work vs Closed Shop [Re: DieCommie]
    #21916638 - 07/08/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Denying somebody else the ability to take your job by working harder and/or for less is an act of violence that hurts society as a whole.  Striking is fine, collective action is fine, denying the employer the right to hire somebody else is not.  That is the kind of behavior that makes corporate monopolies both bad and illegal - the same should hold for labor monopolies.



I can agree to an extent to your statement But on the other hand if you got 1 guy with a complaint you write it off but if you have 100 you have to take notice How much is your life worth to you? Unfortunately unions do not look after the rank and file like they used to but I'd still rather have someone in my corner.


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