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datura or belladona with shrooms?
    #21916028 - 07/08/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yea i know how extreme and danger they are...
so would a small dosage of belladona or datura enhance the trip...have anyone done it before?


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: oontribe]
    #21916060 - 07/08/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A dose small enough to enhance and not overpower a shroom trip is a dose that will make you incredibly tired. Any more than that and you will have uncontrollable full blown hallucinations with the anxious shroom headspace

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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21916091 - 07/08/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thanks man :smile:


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21916095 - 07/08/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like hell, and a recipe for ending up accidentally harming yourself, your sitter or some unsuspecting bystander.  Just. Don't.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21916179 - 07/08/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tha's a little like asking whether 5 bullets in a 6 chamber revolver would make for better Russian Roulette than just one.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21916256 - 07/08/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I stayed up all night during the last bloodmoon out in the hills with my friends cooking flying ointment made from Datura root. Decided to eat a whole eighth of shrooms the next day, not paying heed to the contra-indications with sleep deprivation. Even after having smoked two bong-bowls full of Datura leaf to try and induce sleep to no avail, I still ate an eight about 2-3 hours after having smoked the bowls.

The trip was actually kinda sub-standard, no visuals, but there were some body feels. I was pissed as hell because the group of eight I was tripping with had gone out into the hills to try and avoid people, but got distracted and decided to chill on some cliff faces that overlooked the trail. Not even after being there for ten minutes, with the shrooms really kicking in, this 15-year old chick who's in a gross pedo relationship with one of my 20 year-old friends (who I cut out of my life as a result of this experience) literally stalked us out to where we were and decided she was just gonna invite herself into our little party. The next three hours were spent being an asshole to everyone because no one could handle their shrooms and it was like tripping with a bunch of 12-year olds. I ended up bailing without any parting words and was able to just get some much needed rest in the safety of a different buddy's house.

I don't think the Datura really contributes to the experience much at all. I've smoked it mixed with bud during LSA experiences, and it still doesn't add much to the visual aspect. I was using the leaves more for nausea control anyway, though. The root and seeds are where the real hallucinogenic power is, as per traditional native medicine.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: oontribe]
    #21916902 - 07/08/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah OP.. definitely do NOT take Datura with shrooms. Shrooms are beautiful by themselves, if you want a stronger trip then just eat more shrooms.. Datura is an evil hallucinogenic delirium. :shrug:

I really can't imagine this combo working out at all, and would not recommend it to anyone based on the Datura trainwreck reports alone at Erowid.

Save yourself, leave the Datura alone, smoke some cannabis instead.:thumbup:


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: oontribe] * 4
    #21917091 - 07/08/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I routinely eat 2-3 datura stramonium seeds to kill any nausea from any psychedelic especially mushrooms


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21917108 - 07/08/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That is because datura is nothing but an incredibly potent antihistamine (aside from any potential alkaloids). You could obtain the same anti-nausea remedy by taking a much safer antihistamine like diphenhydramine or doxylamine


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 3
    #21917127 - 07/08/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I understand what datura is. That's why I eat it.

Datura feels cleaner and works better than OTC shit.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21917323 - 07/08/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what about belladonna? just curious thats all...i dont think i would take em to enhance the mushroom trip.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: oontribe]
    #21917354 - 07/08/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Atropa belladonna? Never consumed it myself.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 1
    #21917930 - 07/09/15 03:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've used one of those scopalamine patches before. Can confirm that it feels cleaner than OTC stuff like diphenhydramine. It feels scary clean.

Feels like you haven't done anything at all until you realize you're out of it, but even realizing you're out of it, you don't feel out of it. Like I said, scary clean. It's no surprise to me that people get into trouble with deliriants.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: nooneman]
    #21917938 - 07/09/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haven't you read about Datura? :grin: Just eat more mushrooms man... :mushroom2:


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21917954 - 07/09/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Haven't you read about Datura? :grin:



Of course. Reading deliriant trip reports on erowid is something of a hobby of mine.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #21918273 - 07/09/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To be honest, the "Datura is evil" circle-jerk gets annoying real fast.

Any drug is evil if you take a massive dosage and know nothing of the drug's effects. People who demonize a plant because it has deadly potential are hardly any different from the people that demonize something like MDMA because it kills a few people at festivals each year.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21918401 - 07/09/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I routinely eat 2-3 datura stramonium seeds to kill any nausea from any psychedelic especially mushrooms



.....says the man with 3 toes on one foot ....the result of a massive overdose of a RC....Yeah, I really trust his opinions.:bow2:


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21918491 - 07/09/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok be a dick. n00b


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21918579 - 07/09/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not trying to be a dick and def not a noob Zombi..I'v got more time here than you...Just sayin that if I were you and been through what you've been through....not sure I'd be giving dosage advice ....especially fucking deleriants!

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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21918589 - 07/09/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've read enough bad trip reports that I wouldn't even want to chance it, just my feelings though. OP is probably going to do it either way. Do some serious research & after see if you still want to do datura. Good luck. :cheers:


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21918992 - 07/09/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And for God's sake, have a trusted sitter if you're going to go for a full datura trip, and be in a place where you can't get into (much) trouble.  Why anyone would think that level of confusion/disorientation would be desirable is beyond me.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21919245 - 07/09/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the thuggees or thugs, were a group of assassins who operated in ancient india (where we get the term "thug"), and they were worshippers of Kali

if one of them had a special mission, they would often use an infusion of datura (with many possible admixtures like amanita or opium) to give a particular person enhanced perception and fighting abilities, however it was almost always a fatal dose - which was known and expected

these fuckers trained for it, they focused rage and hatred into laser-like intensity... and they totally owned their animal side, they reveled in it and relished in the berserker outlook

and this particular usage is not confined to india, its known among numerous traditions of shamanism across the globe

so - thats near to the only "functional" headspace you can find on this substance... and I HIGHLY advise against it... but of course you must make your own decisions


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21919321 - 07/09/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Not trying to be a dick and def not a noob Zombi..I'v got more time here than you...Just sayin that if I were you and been through what you've been through....not sure I'd be giving dosage advice ....especially fucking deleriants!

Sorry I doubted your esteemed credentials here.:sunny::peace:



You registered 11 months before me lol.
And I didn't give dosage advice, I never do that, I simply said I myself take datura seeds. I didn't recommend anyone else take it or how much one should take if they chose to do so.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21919411 - 07/09/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A stupid dose of datura made me go into a delirium,that fucked me up for a long time. Datura is some serious scary shit IME.

is it even possible to get some sort of control on it?


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Grimley]
    #21919518 - 07/09/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe if you knew the dose :shrug:
It's unsafe to play with datura plant matter.
If you absolutely must play with deliriants knowing your dose is essential.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Grimley]
    #21919553 - 07/09/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I couldn't imagine you'd have any sort of control on it at the levels it'd take to "trip". Then again... I have never touched the stuff. Only read trip reports on it, but 90% of them consist of people freaking out, not knowing they are even on a drug, & other negative effects.

If someone is wanting to try the "darker side" of psychedelics I think a better alternative would be salvia. It doesn't last long & it will sure as hell take you out of this world & then farther. The 5 or so times I have done it I would not consider any of them bad experiences, just very very strange. It is definitely one hell of an experience.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21919582 - 07/09/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had good control on all my low-mid dose diphenhydramine trips. And sort of good control on the few high dose trips, I didn't freak out anyway, I was just trippin over my sack for hours couldn't tell up from down, but I stayed safely in one location and didn't hurt myself.

Deliriants have some wildly vivid hallucinations but over all feel like shit. Not worth playing with outside of medically useful doses.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21919654 - 07/09/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Zombi3, what do you think of salvia?


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21919773 - 07/09/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ohh no i wouldnt take a delriant i bave read alot too about datura...doesnt really sounds like fun.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: germx99]
    #21920095 - 07/09/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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To be honest, the "Datura is evil" circle-jerk gets annoying real fast.

Any drug is evil if you take a massive dosage and know nothing of the drug's effects. People who demonize a plant because it has deadly potential are hardly any different from the people that demonize something like MDMA because it kills a few people at festivals each year.



I never said datura was evil. In fact, I agree with everything in this post.

1-3 seeds isn't going to send someone into a deliriant trip. I think Zombie's advice is good advice to cut nausea. Low dose deliriants are very clean, and I bet they're very effective.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21920160 - 07/09/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Zombi3, what do you think of salvia?



I don't like the extracts cuz they're too dam strong.
If I learned anything from salvia it's that plan has an incredibly strong spiritual aura about it, the plants spirit basically begs to be consumed and used by people, but it only presents itself in a friendly manner of used as plain leaf.

I've had train wreck trips with no direction that made zero sense and were just insanely uncomfortable from 40x - 120x extracts. Never gained a thing from it.

And I've had spiritually impeccable trips like nothing else can provide from plain leaf. The plant seriously has a voice.

But to be fair to extracts, my only time achieving entity contact from salvia was on a 20x extract.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: germx99]
    #21920644 - 07/09/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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To be honest, the "Datura is evil" circle-jerk gets annoying real fast.

Any drug is evil if you take a massive dosage and know nothing of the drug's effects. People who demonize a plant because it has deadly potential are hardly any different from the people that demonize something like MDMA because it kills a few people at festivals each year.




Okay just to clarify, Datura has several safety concerns and no one is just "demonizing" it.

First off, it is extremely potent. It's active chemical, scoplamine, is only medically viable in doses within the 300-1000ug range. That is approximately equivalent to 15-50mg of diphenhydramine.

Secondly, at higher doses (usually over 1.5-3mg), it becomes a deliriant. That means you are basically in a drug induced stupor full of uncontrollable HALLUCINATIONS, not visuals. Even on 50mg of diphenhydramine for a sleep aid I hallucinate objects that aren't there... I couldn't even imagine a full blown anti-histamine induced delirium.



The moral of the story is, the drug itself is extremely potent and potentially dangerous if you take too much. Would you just go out and tell someone to go take some fentanyl if they were opiate naive? It's dosage is in a similar range and can be easily overdosed....


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 1
    #21921057 - 07/09/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All these fear-mongering ass hats on about datura kills, no shit of course it does when taken for a trip or a high. Like zombi3 said though taking low doses of datura seed is as safe as taking Benadryl or the likes. Shit they still sell OTC anti nausea scopolamine pills so it really comes down to just being responsible with it. OP if you take it only use 1 - 5 seeds for anti nausea purposes and disregard idiots saying even that low a dose will kill you :facepalm:


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: newageshaman]
    #21921828 - 07/09/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well i dont face problems with nausea, my intention was to enhance the trip....maybe ill settle for 1-3g of syrian rue seeds.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: oontribe]
    #21922362 - 07/09/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Diphenhydramine greatly decreased nausea on the one time I combined it with cacti, but also made the trip very uncomfortable. I've noticed that the more energy you have during a cacti trip, the better, and if you're tired when you consume cacti it'll probably not be that great of an experience. diphenhydramine makes me tired and hence ruined the cacti trip, not to mention I hate the body sensations from it

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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: oontribe]
    #21922498 - 07/09/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well if mushrooms nauseate you then yeah low dose datura would "enhance" it (eg nullify the nausea), but it's not going to give your visuals more intensity. Rue on the other hand will enhance visuals aswell as nausea


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: newageshaman]
    #21922717 - 07/10/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you're interested in reducing nausea while on mushrooms while increasing intensity, just up the dose and take it by making some lemon tea with ginger rather than fucking around with potentially unpleasant deleriants. :shrug:


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21923164 - 07/10/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well OP did say he wanted to use it to enhance his trip... Not help with an upset stomach. That's why the negative comments. We are just trying to save him from doing something reckless.


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: oontribe]
    #21923491 - 07/10/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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yea i know how extreme and danger they are...
so would a small dosage of belladona or datura enhance the trip...have anyone done it before?




Datura was the worst shit I've ever tried (tea from seeds).  I couldn't recommend it in any combination, but YMMV.  If you want to get rid of mushroom nausea just make tea and strain it. :shrug:


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21925341 - 07/10/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if you want to totally eliminate nausea from taking shrooms, make shroom liquor instead

problem solved


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: rajajuju]
    #21925344 - 07/10/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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if you want to totally eliminate nausea from taking shrooms, make shroom liquor instead

problem solved




This x100

You can concentrate it down to little tiny shots no more than a table spoon and you come up within 5 minutes, no nausea guarantee


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21925369 - 07/10/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

rajajuju said:
if you want to totally eliminate nausea from taking shrooms, make shroom liquor instead

problem solved




This x100

You can concentrate it down to little tiny shots no more than a table spoon and you come up within 5 minutes, no nausea guarantee




dude ive literally made it active at the dropper level, like straight liquid LSD - which Ive had many times so I know

trust me I was surprised as shit as well


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: rajajuju]
    #21925374 - 07/10/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah you can definitely get the doses very small. I have seen people actually evaporate all the alcohol and what is left is pure crystal psilocybin/psilocin


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    #21925465 - 07/10/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah you can definitely get the doses very small. I have seen people actually evaporate all the alcohol and what is left is pure crystal psilocybin/psilocin




im gonna try that with my next batch... you need a vacuum filter to get the solution pure enough for the crystallization to happen


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: rajajuju]
    #21925874 - 07/10/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sound like a good idea to experiment it...so what you guys think about rue and mushroom?
i read alot of mixed reviews that they enhance your trip and they tend to make it longer but less euphoric!


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    #21925892 - 07/10/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

any MAOI will potentiate shrooms, because it makes the tryptamines break down slower

1-2gm of rue will make 1/8 of shrooms feel like 1/4, easy

problem is, rue is pretty strong on the nausea side effects so if you are cool with that or if you can mitigate somehow, then why not

but you can also do it with caapi or any other MAOIs


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: oontribe]
    #21925959 - 07/10/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sound like a good idea to experiment it...so what you guys think about rue and mushroom?
i read alot of mixed reviews that they enhance your trip and they tend to make it longer but less euphoric!



IME, MAOI's DO tend to lengthen the trip, but also tend to take off the highs and lows making for a longer boring trip...JMHO>


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    #21927522 - 07/11/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thank you all for your input guys


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    #21928183 - 07/11/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I remember one time years ago I tried making some sort of syrian rue concoction... (no mushrooms just syrian rue) I forget how much I measured out but I crushed up the seeds, boiled it in water, then added lemon juice, & stirred it occasionally over the course of maybe 10-20 minutes or so, I forget. It was the worst shit ever... Puking & dry heaving for hours straight, cold sweats, I could barely move. I remember at some point taking a shower & feeling so little strength that I didn't even dry off after I just laid in bed naked & wet. LOL WHAT A DUMBASS I WAS. I've come a long way since those days. Haha :grin:

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    #21928209 - 07/11/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

its a boring drug on its own...no euphoria, can induce a religious thoughts, music is more clear, but still not a cool drug i would never do it again on its own. maybe with mushroom or pure dmt or mixing it for ayahuasca!


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Re: datura or belladona with shrooms? [Re: oontribe]
    #21928217 - 07/11/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't have any interest in it now, even if I didn't have that experience years ago I still probably wouldn't feel to want to do it. The most obvious drug-like effect it gave me was very obvious tracers. Other than that, I can't remember it doing much-recreational wise.


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    #22397569 - 10/18/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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To be honest, the "Datura is evil" circle-jerk gets annoying real fast.

Any drug is evil if you take a massive dosage and know nothing of the drug's effects. People who demonize a plant because it has deadly potential are hardly any different from the people that demonize something like MDMA because it kills a few people at festivals each year.




Yeah, datura's scopolamine has been tested in low doses as an antidepressant! Info: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showthreaded.php/Number/21208380/vc/1


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A dose small enough to enhance and not overpower a shroom trip is a dose that will make you incredibly tired. Any more than that and you will have uncontrollable full blown hallucinations with the anxious shroom headspace

Would not recommend




Absolutely not true. I've used low dose isolated scopolamine on multiple occasions, so I knew my dose.


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