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treeK


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Syrian Rue prep for Ayahuasca
#13760960 - 01/09/11 11:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello shroomery! This seems like a very nice community and i have learned much simply by reading. Today I have a specific topic in mind..
Myself and 2 companions plan on taking ayahuasca this coming friday. We have a location and a sitter and plan on using the whole day to brew, fast and prepare. Ingesting at 10 or 11pm (when the sitter arrives) We are using 50g MHRB and 10g syrian rue total (not traditional i know i know) and the recipe seems simple enough. heat in an acidic water bath and filter repeatedly.
My question concerns the rue seeds. We lack a coffee grinder and are unsure of how to prepare them. Would roughly crushing them be acceptable, say with the flat side of a knife? And would soaking the rue or MHRB in cold acidic solution for a few days prior be a good idea?
One of us also wants to keep a backup dose of 1g rue and 10g MHRB in case someone purges too early. The 1g rue seems silly but would a backup of 10g MHRB be a good idea? or would an extra 3g per person be better
My final question regards the fasting. I plan on having breakfast and not much else (ill be starving, fruit perhaps) but i came across this advice on a forum "Many times, a partially full stomach could aid bioavailability and digestion more than an empty one. Something to consider..." What do you think, would a couple bites do some good 40 minutes or so before the rue?
Advice in general is appreciated ~K
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Re: Syrian Rue prep for Ayahuasca [Re: treeK]
#13761310 - 01/10/11 12:31 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i've found syrian rue only causes discomfort in my stomach if i eat AFTER the dose, albeit i've never made ayahuasca with it. thats only my input. im sure theres someone who knows a more educated answer.
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laughingcat
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It's difficult to work out how you intend to make the brew from this (soak in acetic acid and then what?)... are you looking to do an alkaloid extraction first or just boil up the components in water with a little acetic acid (might not be a good idea)?
If you don't have a coffee grinder, get a pestle and mortar - seeds always best when ground fine if you want to get most of the good stuff out...
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Remix
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Re: Syrian Rue prep for Ayahuasca [Re: treeK]
#13761583 - 01/10/11 01:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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treeK said: We lack a coffee grinder and are unsure of how to prepare them. Would roughly crushing them be acceptable, say with the flat side of a knife?
I recommend putting them inside of a piece of cloth or napkin and pulverizing them with something blunt (hammer, block of wood...ect).
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treeK said: And would soaking the rue or MHRB in cold acidic solution for a few days prior be a good idea?
This should work fine. Simmering the solution down a bit or air-drying it isn't too bad of an idea either.
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treeK said: One of us also wants to keep a backup dose of 1g rue and 10g MHRB in case someone purges too early. The 1g rue seems silly but would a backup of 10g MHRB be a good idea? or would an extra 3g per person be better
The best solution would be to keep somekind of anti-nauseating agent on hand (Dramamine and ginger-root come to mind). Chances are, if someone purges too early the first time they're going to have a hard time keeping the ayahuasca down the second time. I'm not saying this is a bad idea but it's not really necessary. Just tell everybody to try their best to suck it up for 45 minutes.
Also, I'm not sure exactly how you plan on cooking the MHRB but, a good way to prevent nausea is cook the concoction very, very slowly on a moderate setting. You want the final product to be very watery; a syrupy product is a sign of unnecessary fats and sugars, and increases the sensation of nausea.
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treeK said: My final question regards the fasting. I plan on having breakfast and not much else (ill be starving, fruit perhaps) but i came across this advice on a forum "Many times, a partially full stomach could aid bioavailability and digestion more than an empty one. Something to consider..." What do you think, would a couple bites do some good 40 minutes or so before the rue?
Having some fruit or vegetables 30mins to an hour before dosing on almost any sort of trip always seems to serve me well. Personally, I find that my stomach is often more agitated if I don't eat anything and then introduce some ultra bitter drug preparation to it.
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treeK


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Re: Syrian Rue prep for Ayahuasca [Re: Remix]
#13761685 - 01/10/11 02:31 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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laughingcat said: It's difficult to work out how you intend to make the brew from this (soak in acetic acid and then what?)... are you looking to do an alkaloid extraction first or just boil up the components in water with a little acetic acid (might not be a good idea)?
What i meant is instead of just cooking the rue and MHRB (seperately)at low heat in a pH 4-5 solution then filtering and repeating.. First doing a cold acidic soak for 1 or 2 days before. filter that and move on to the cooking steps
I figure the extra step would get plenty of the good stuff out without breaking down as much unwanted plant material. Any remaining alkaloid would be taken care of by the following cooking.
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Remix said: Having some fruit or vegetables 30mins to an hour before dosing on almost any sort of trip always seems to serve me well. Personally, I find that my stomach is often more agitated if I don't eat anything and then introduce some ultra bitter drug preparation to it.
I think ill get some snacky stuff, like those cherry tomatoes for beforehand.
One of us wants music. Non music rooms will be available so anyone not feeling it can opt out. Any ideas on music and ayahuasca?
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Eywa_devotee
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Re: Syrian Rue prep for Ayahuasca [Re: treeK]
#13762531 - 01/10/11 09:54 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Powder the Syrian rue, add 2 crushed 500mg vitamin C tablets per every 4-6 grams of seed, add a cup of distilled water and nuke it on HI for about a minute. Let cool to room temperature and filter the seed mush out saving the liquid. Boil down the liquid to a shot and down it, or dry on low heat in a glass baking dish, scrape with a razor and gelcap it.
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Re: Syrian Rue prep for Ayahuasca [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#21915159 - 07/08/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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here is one idea for music:
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