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I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything.
    #21913860 - 07/08/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Show & Tell.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21914504 - 07/08/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

One time I was under the impression my heart was merely a timer that was used to induce and record all of my thoughts so the world may continue. :satansmoking:


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: cez] * 5
    #21914877 - 07/08/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've had too many profound realizations from LSD to list here, so I'll just pick the two most influentual:

1. I thought about what negative emotions were; fear, terror, anger etc. Fear has definitely been the most prominent negative emotion in my life. But what have I been fearing? And, more importantly, what is there to fear... ever? Fear is not even a legitimate feeling. Fear is the discomfort in anticipation of perceived harm. Why not then just deal with the harm in it's own right? Why do we add extra suffering to the harm by lumping fear on top? During my first acid trip, the famous statement "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" finally made complete sense, both emotionally and intellectually.

2. The second revelation I experienced was the more cliche experience that many LSD users report, the one that was the driving force of the 60's counter-culture. It had to do with categories/labels/barriers/groups of individuals. All that matters is consciousness, and age, race, gender, looks, material wealth etc. doesn't matter one bit. All consciousness is pure and beautiful. During the trip I remember saying to the friend I was tripping with "How is it possible to hate someone?" I remember feeling so much love and deeply caring about every conscious thing in existence. Hate, for anyone, was just out of the question.

LSD changed my life for the better.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: secondorder]
    #21915042 - 07/08/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I recently learned about Lewis acids, buffers, and titration.  This was very mind expanding for me, as I previously held the same level of knowledge about acids since I was 10 and watched Alien. 

Now I know that any compound that can accept an electron pair from a donor compound can be an acid. 

:mindblown:

Whattheheck Cosmicjoke, you aren't going to show and tell your own story? :cop:


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: secondorder]
    #21915966 - 07/08/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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During my first acid trip, the famous statement "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" finally made complete sense, both emotionally and intellectually.




I don't think Franklin Roosevelt ever tripped. Just sayin'...


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21916011 - 07/08/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

a few months ago my friends and i bought what we thought was lsd but we had no way of knowing til we tasted it and it ended up being 25x-nbome.
Well anyways we each took 3 hits and started tripping shortly.

We were tripping so hard and i was stuck in a loop where they would say what i was thinking in my mind aloud and then i would freak out for a sec then ask them how they knew my thoughts and they didnt know. Then some epiphany would come to me for a split second and id feel extreme all encompassing bliss as though i had reached complete enlightenment and i was in a nirvana-esque place. Then id just get pulled back. This happened again and again and again for hours. I started being able to finish their sentences and stuff for the split seconds that i wasnt in a loop and then it would come back just as hard again.

I was actually extremely terriefied that i was going schizo since my dad is schizo, but my friend was telling me that it was our long standing friendship that made our trips connect like that. He had the idea to just go ahead and leave my house before we stopped tripping cause he thought it would bring me out of the mind bending thought loops. Literally the minute he left my head was in a very clear place and i could just watch the world around me melt into beutiful navy colors and golds. This trip was complete insanity to me overall but the end was peaceful.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21916283 - 07/08/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think Franklin Roosevelt ever tripped. Just sayin'...




Lol of course not, sometimes it takes a trip to empathize properly and see things from a different perspective though.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: secondorder]
    #21916289 - 07/08/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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secondorder said:
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I don't think Franklin Roosevelt ever tripped. Just sayin'...




Lol of course not, sometimes it takes a trip to empathize properly and see things from a different perspective though.



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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: trvptamine]
    #21922559 - 07/09/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When it comes to the self, better to watch and learn rather than fight.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #21925086 - 07/10/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I literally saw the evolution of the universe, and then I became that evolution.
I went through a million reincarnations up to and past myself, when it repeated again and I popped into my body.
I was at any parallel time every living thing there was or will be.
I than conversated with the architect HIrself, through intelligent coincidences of mind blowing proportions.
Prior to this, I was a hardcore materialist/scientism kind of guy.

I realized then I had no clue What the Fuck is going on, and the rabbit hole goes deep.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: hTx]
    #21925671 - 07/10/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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hTx said:
...I [have] no clue What the Fuck is going on, and the rabbit hole goes deep.





Surely this is something we can all agree upon.  It is very important to realize this.  Very general and very true!


"If you think you know what the hell is going on, you're probably full of shit."  --RAW


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #21926946 - 07/11/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Surely this is something we can all agree upon.  It is very important to realize this.  Very general and very true!




Seconded.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: secondorder]
    #21930403 - 07/11/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fear is always directed towards a specific object (including impending death), but anxiety is referred to as "free-floating," and is sometimes confused with fear. Anxiety can have numerous triggers, but it can appear in anxiety-attacks with a sense of dread and no specific object. At bottom the mother of all anxiety (at least according to Freud) is "death anxiety," which is an 'existential illness.' All normal adults realize the facticity of their mortality, and we all develop coping skills to put death anxiety on the 'back burners,' out of mind. Ernest Becker wrote his well-known The Denial of Death which explicates the notion of death anxiety. Ken Wilber's first book, The Atman Project, may have been influenced by Becker's book. Wilber's contention is that the human desire for procreation, for example, goes beyond the mere biological imperative and is a surrogate for personal immortality. Other Atman Projects include works of art or literature, invention or political notoriety. The desire to make one's mark so as to avoid complete annihilation is the goal. Personal immortality (as opposed to Eternal Life wherein one loses individual identity to assume the cosmic identity of the Eternal) seems to be an entirely egoic project.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21930465 - 07/11/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think the root of all anxiety is not death, but triggered by the thought that you might miss something interesting, fun, exciting and/or noteworthy with a dash of fear of being not included in something important.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: falcon]
    #21931270 - 07/11/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the root of all anxiety is not death, but triggered by the thought that you might miss something interesting, fun, exciting and/or noteworthy with a dash of fear of being not included in something important.




Precisely!

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It will happen to all of us that at some point you'll get tapped on the shoulder and told; not just that the party is over, but slightly worse, the party's going on, but you have to leave, and it's going on without you. That's the reflection I think that most upsets people about their demise.

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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: secondorder]
    #21935610 - 07/12/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And yet, transcendent psychedelic experiences seem to give an understanding ad acceptance, there are clinical studies which show lowered or no death anxiety in terminal patients.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: falcon]
    #21938079 - 07/13/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the root of all anxiety is not death, but triggered by the thought that you might miss something interesting, fun, exciting and/or noteworthy with a dash of fear of being not included in something important.




That is some aspect of extraverted thinking particularly during the first half of life and even more idiosyncratic to you (and possibly your type). Anxiety is not based on a mere thought. There are emotional basementsand unconscious sub-basements that support essential anxiety. None of those things you mention cause me any anxiety whatsoever. They carries neither gravitas or universality. Anxiety is based on uncertainty, and is a mentally unbalanced preoccupation with the future. Conversely, depression and it's corollary, regret, are existential preoccupations with memories of the past. But the past is already gone, and one's death is a 'ceiling,' THE limitation of one's existence as we know it. Death remains a complete unknown, subjectively-speaking, and the possibilities evoke terror. "Missing something interesting" is exactly the case with the future one will never experience beyond the limitation of death. "Important?" The day of one's death is, in a very real way, the most important moment of one's life. It's total reliability sets a limit to how one lives one's life, and as one approaches that limit, statistically speaking, it's nearing proximity causes one to eliminate everything but the most "important" aspects of life. Most people do not take up a whole new lifestyle like the artist Grandma Mose did at age 78. Increasingly, people want to cling to their loved ones, unless one has a spiritual discipline for doing quite the opposite, detaching from existence.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21952004 - 07/16/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I agree,
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Anxiety is based on uncertainty, and is a mentally unbalanced preoccupation with the future.


and my description of what causes anxiety is a subset of that,  but what you've said doesn't show that death is the root of all anxiety. After reading your first post I replied to,  I'm not sure that you said that death is either, but that's what it said to me and I still don't think death is.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: falcon]
    #21957059 - 07/17/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think any worthwhile lsd experience on that "deep cosmic" level is incapable of being expressed in words. I think hallucinogens allow us to transcend the confinement of social constructs like language and morality and allow our experience and thoughts to be unfettered.

I have tripped lsd probably 100 times in my life, and mushrooms twice as much, and DMT blows them out the water. I have taken 10 hits at a time and I have also eaten about 7 grams of mushrooms at one time and the 20 minute blast of DMT was more life altering than anything else.

I will share a tripping anecdote: one time there were like 8 of us tripping at my friends house and the mood was really calm and laid back and we all laid on the carpet in a circle facing each other staring at this candle in silence. I sat up and grabbed a guitar and started playing "redemption song" by bob marley and everyone sang it perfectly with harmony and shit all the way through. Hardly anyone was a musician or had any musical talent there and they were all amazed because for most of them it was the first time they had ever really made music.
the crazy part was that the next day I realized I don't even know how to play redemption song (not that it is that difficult) and that none of us could sing more than half the first verse and a chorus.

No idea how 8 people pulled that shit out of the aether, and I am willing to concede that maybe we weren't perceiving it properly... like maybe it was a bunch of tone deaf mumbling... lol.


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Re: I had a really convincing acid experience that changed my mind about everything. [Re: falcon]
    #21957553 - 07/17/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Death, like everything, has a negative and a positive aspect. I was referring to death as the negation of our existence in 3 dimensions, of the forms recorded in our individual minds. I have given my suspicions on the metapsychological or metaphysics of Being minus physical existence. Here, I am referring to the anxiety that is directly proportional to one's existential identity minus any identity with formless Being. In other words, anxiety is aimed at time, specifically future time, as-of-yet experienced time. But even more specifically, anxiety relates to the end of time. This notion has been mythologized in a Christian idiom to cosmic proportions and projected as an end of the world event to be experienced en mass, simultaneously by all people. The remedy to this moment (even though Saint Paul wrongly thought he and his contemporaries would be experiencing it immanently as a historical event), is "being in Christ." This condition has never been sufficiently clear to me in Christian theology, even 3 decades after graduating from seminary. Actually, it is Eckhart Tolle's rather Gnostic interpretation of the 'End Times' or the end-of-time as the psychological moment in which one identifies more with Being Itself than with one's existential 'being-in-the-world' that speaks to me best.

The Buddhists make it more clear to me. 'Being' is their recognition of Emptiness (which sounds forbiddingly negative to Christians). But Emptiness is synonymous with Spaciousness. While this idea appeals to me, and while I reveled in 'big sky' country in the Western USA, a dear friend of mine was so overwhelmed by the physical manifestation of sky and space, that he had to periodically crawl into his tent and sleeping bag, ostensibly to reify his identity of physical embodiedness and limitation. I, on the other hand, wanted to merge with the spaciousness in ecstasy. These opposite valuations of spaciousness: emptiness versus fullness, is an important notion when trying to understand anxiety.

As in meditation where each thought or feeling is likened to a cloud drifting across an empty blue sky, every physical object exists in space. But we ignore the space in which objects exist. Space is a nothing when compared to the object which exists in it. What if we can transfer, psychologically speaking, the sense of identity of ourselves as body and mind to space? But not merely formless physical space in which all form exists, but as "Mind-at-large" (A. Huxley) from which our thoughts and feelings take form. If death means resolving the complexity of existence into utter simplicity, like clouds dispersing into the clear and empty sky, then death is the awakening Realization that we have always been clear, empty eternal, the Identity-Awareness, the experiential truth behind the mythologized biblical "I AM" revelations. The failing dying awareness of this life then, will be little more than the fading away of an intense dream upon awakening from sleep. IF we Knew this to be true in the present. IF we had a present awareness of this ultimate truth, (which Christians call 'assurance') then like the claim of Self-Realized beings since time immemorial, we would no longer experience anxiety. That Gnosis would put our whole life into perspective. We would simply enjoy the dream while it lasts without envy, greed, regret, or any of the other vices, sins, or existential malaises that are described by Godly theologies or godless existentialisms alike.


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