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Diphenhydramine Questions
    #21913399 - 07/08/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This probably goes in PsychEx but I specifically want to avoid tripping.So I've been taking 100mg of benadryl for sleep (Insomniac and I just recently got the money I need to buy more pot), anyways, I took 100mg tonight but I'm still not sleepy (possibly due to tolerance but I also take adderall daily and accidentally drank something I didn't realize had caffeine with dinner). Should I take some more to sleep, I dont think I'll be able to sleep otherwise and the only other sleep agent I have on hand is Trazodone...but I dont want to mix sleeping pills. Aslo I've been having really vivid, weird dreams every night I take benedryl, is dph known to potentiate dreams?


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Urist]
    #21913431 - 07/08/15 04:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I took two more...hopefully I'll pass out and not be accosted by illusory spiders...


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Urist]
    #21913437 - 07/08/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes it is, actually IME, almost every pill that makes me fall asleep, causes terrible dreams, even sleep paralyses


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Urist]
    #21913475 - 07/08/15 04:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Stuff is addictive. Stay away from it and sleep naturally.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Shiithead]
    #21913509 - 07/08/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Naturally I don't sleep....that's how insomnia works...and benedryl is diphenhydramine which isn't addictive, did you think I meant benzodiazepines like Xanax or Ativan?


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Shiithead]
    #21913557 - 07/08/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stuff is addictive. Stay away from it and sleep naturally.



Op try this download some thunderstorm/rain sounds and let them play all night you'll sleep like a baby. :thatsayes:


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21913745 - 07/08/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

DPH is addictive. You will not be able to sleep if you use it for to long and try sleeping without it. Also If you use to much to try and get to sleep it can give you severe restless leg syndrome, among other unwanted side effects.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Urist]
    #21913748 - 07/08/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Naturally I don't sleep....that's how insomnia works...and benedryl is diphenhydramine which isn't addictive, did you think I meant benzodiazepines like Xanax or Ativan?




Diphenhydramine can be addictive, it just takes longer for a degree ov physical dependency to occur.  I've heard reports ov people experiencing withdrawal symptoms similar to a mild form ov sludge syndrome, with dramatic salivation and sweating, nausea, etc..  Diph is also a mild sri, which may bring about emotional turmoil upon cessation after long term usage.

With diph, i found that there's a ground between the sedation dosage and the tropania dosage that's uncomfortable, but a cognizant pre-delirium state.  This state for me was opposing to sedation in that it was characterized by RLS and a very unsettling 'brain zap' sensation that came about every so often.  An uncomfortable and dysphoric state, but at least one still has hir wits about.

I'm in a similar insomniac boat since my departure from alcohol consumption, and have been taking the antihistamine doxylamine 4-5 nights a week or so, either orally or nasally(almost 3x as potent nasally with a much quicker onset).  The other times i'll attain slumber from kava/cannabis and/or sheer exhaustion.  But one's method ov snatching ZZZs is individually dependent.  I know that sounds, melatonin, root ov valerian, and trying to just fall asleep naturally usually are'nt going to work for me but others have had success.  It is a bit concerning to have to rely upon a substance to sleep though.  How long before its sedative effects dissipate?

How is trazodone BTW?  I was offered that in detox to help with sleep but i declined.  Everyone there who was using it said the same exact thing though:  It worked great if you went to bed shortly after taking it, but if you waited too long to attempt sleep it yielded RLS and general restless energy.  Is your experience similar?


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21913751 - 07/08/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Some people's insomnia doesn't work like that. I remember back in February-March when mine was really bad I would always play that rainymood site and I'd still only get like an hour of sleep per night. Benadryl, melatonin etc didn't even help for shit.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Urist]
    #21913761 - 07/08/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

2mg haldol 2-3 hours before bedtime.

Been using that for 27 years and hasnt failed me yet. Its a low dose of a heavy drug. (a typical antipsychotic)


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: hex_enduction]
    #21913791 - 07/08/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Some people's insomnia doesn't work like that. I remember back in February-March when mine was really bad I would always play that rainymood site and I'd still only get like an hour of sleep per night. Benadryl, melatonin etc didn't even help for shit.


It works the oposite for me I put that on and I relax and am out like a light. :shrug:


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Asante]
    #21913926 - 07/08/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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2mg haldol 2-3 hours before bedtime.

Been using that for 27 years and hasnt failed me yet. Its a low dose of a heavy drug. (a typical antipsychotic)




Haldol did fuck all for me for sleep when I was on it but Olanzpine was great (only for sleep). Knocked me out HARDCORE.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: daz01]
    #21914366 - 07/08/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously? How much Haldol did you get? It may take 3 hours to develop but Haldol is great for applying a mental brake.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Asante]
    #21914393 - 07/08/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree fully with the statement stay away from that shit.. mother earth knows what you need. a little cannabis high in cbd and some chamomile and fresh air, I know lots of people who can't sleep in still air. maybe that's your problem.. I just don't like the sound of long term pharmaceutical sleep aid... my aunt took nyquil daily for like 6 months and she started becoming psychotic and being really crabby and having hallucinations... she was convinced that the TV was talking too her.. not the people on tv, not the show, but the tv itself.. that kind of shit worries me. just be careful


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21914398 - 07/08/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes diphenhydramine totally does that. Makes you dream while awake.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Asante]
    #21914481 - 07/08/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Seriously? How much Haldol did you get? It may take 3 hours to develop but Haldol is great for applying a mental brake.




I was on the max daily dose for Haldol. I can't remember what that number is though.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: hex_enduction]
    #21915387 - 07/08/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I ended up taking 200mg and barely got to sleep after an hour...


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Urist]
    #21915425 - 07/08/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

DPH is a shit sleeping aid.
It does increase dreaming though.
The minimum dose to achieve a high is 250mg imo.
So don't dose more than 150mg for sleep aid.
But it's not something I'd take every night.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: daz01]
    #21915458 - 07/08/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That must have been extremely awful. Haldol is hell in medium to high doses.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Urist]
    #21915485 - 07/08/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

DPH is not something to take daily NOT even close, or you will not be able to sleep with out any




I reccomand cease of use, and use adderal earlier I nthe day

and excersise, thatlle make you tired


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Asante]
    #21915546 - 07/08/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haldol did more bad than good. I'd go weeks without taking it, feel bad, take it and it would make the psychosis worse. I was only on it for like 2 to 3 months.

I cycle with DPH and my other hypnotics, take DPH 3 nights, zoplicone 3 nights and so on. I sometimes combine them if I want to knock myself out.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: daz01]
    #21917320 - 07/08/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hmm...alright, I'll use it one more night because I have class tomorrow, but after that I'll stop. I think i might be able to get some weed by then anyways.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Urist]
    #21917333 - 07/08/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Actually, I have some Trazodone, should I use that instead? If so, how much?


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Urist]
    #21918445 - 07/09/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The most dph ive eaten in one instance is 8+ x 25mg, the effects lasted quite a long time and were fairly unpleasant. If i need something to sleep typically one or two helps calm me for sleep. Asante is right though, atypical antipsychotics help a lot.

Dph is often sold as sleep aid, so it cant be all terrible for that sort of thing. Works for me at least on occaision.


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    #21918455 - 07/09/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, forgot to mention. When i used it everyday for several days on end, i get really weird. One morning i woke up and thought cars on the street over were the police and that i was being observed, and it can really muck with my moods.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: 404]
    #21931504 - 07/11/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I just got some more weed so I'm off DPH for the time being...


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Urist]
    #21931741 - 07/12/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ive dosed around 600 mg of DPH


its a trip and a half, weight x1000000000lbs

mind glitches, thought loops, living alternate lives, speaking to shadow people, becoming other things,

its like if you threw your life in a blender with every videogame ever, some bricks, and a grip of some random people's lives.


as i stare at the remote while the tv flashes at me speaking some sort of werid tartric language i fight the gravity increase and grab the remote, cool it's in my hands, lets change the channel, nice i like this show, that worked out ill just watch this for a while


then i blinked
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i never moved
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it was all jusrt a vision of a reality where i did those thingas played out as normal life would have before my senses.


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Re: Diphenhydramine Questions [Re: Zombi3]
    #21931768 - 07/12/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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DPH is a shit sleeping aid.
It does increase dreaming though.
The minimum dose to achieve a high is 250mg imo.
So don't dose more than 150mg for sleep aid.
But it's not something I'd take every night.






It doesn't even work on me anymore. I took it on and off for sleep for a little while, after the ambien, the trazodone, and the amiltrypiline(sp?) stopped working.

I got prescribed a slightly stronger antihistamine for anxiety (hydroxizine) and after taking that for a month, it had 0 effects. Though one time, in May after I got home at 4am from work after 24 hours up, totally exhausted, stressed out, and a little burnt out, it did bring me down from a panic attack when I took three times my prescribed dose(50mg). That was literally the only time though, and it was only because I was so fucking exhausted and sleep deprived already. Once I get to panic attacks, then I usually ride it out because anything other than a decent dose of benzos will not bring me down - and even then, my body will fight those till the end.

Sometimes I take benadryl when I take kratom or an opiate, because I'm always a bit itchy with those. Even then it doesn't help much.


Never used it recreationally. Higher doses of benadryl give me terrible restless leg syndrome, idk if that's the DPH or something else.


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