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Russia bombers off california?
    #21913093 - 07/08/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Did everyone miss this news?  I don't recall seeing it on tv but i don't watch much of it anyway.

But apparently on july 4th putin sent BOMBERS off the coast of CALIFORNIA on the edge of our airspace........


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21913104 - 07/08/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The states recently deployed heavy weapons and a mass of troops to a few strategic locations close to Russia. You dont see it in the news but the tension between the two powers is comparable to the climax of the cold war. Theyre already threatning to nuke eachother. The US by quietly moving nuclear defense systems in. Russia by openly saying he'll do so if the US continues to escalate. This incident is just a small symptom of the underlying tensions between them.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21913148 - 07/08/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

they didn't make the news cuz it wasnt the russians but infact E.T.s
they were UFO's
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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21913213 - 07/08/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is America once again poking her nose where it doesn't belong or is there another reason Russia is pissed


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21913333 - 07/08/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Meh. Russia is practically a third world country in terms of its military might. Their tech is old, their troops are practically untrained (compared to ours), they have only a tiny fraction of the equipment we have, their economy is bullshit compared to ours, etc. etc. Sure, they have nukes, but so do we and so do a lot of people. Who cares? The Russian military is a joke compared to ours.

The fact that our government is more worried about amateur terrorists living in poverty in destroyed third world countries says something about just how little of a threat Russia actually poses to us. Now that doesn't mean we're going to step in and do something (militarily) if they roll over a European country like Ukraine, but the US is not Ukraine. Our army and economy dwarfs Russia's, and they know it.

These flybys are probably more for internal politics than for us. No one in America takes this shit seriously except the paranoid. Everyone else realizes that Russia has less of an economy than Germany, and less of an army than Australia.

Now China on the other hand, they have quite a decent army, all modern equipment, thriving economy... That's a country that could pose a real threat to us if it weren't our ally. Which is probably why the US is so concerned with what's happening in the south china sea, and so totally unconcerned with these Russian flybys.

You know these Russian planes they do flybys with wouldn't last five minutes in a dogfight against one of our planes?


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: nooneman]
    #21913379 - 07/08/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

they don't have to last 5 mins, its a fucking bomber plane filled with nukes.  Im not sure what lasting affects there were from nuking japan but im sure there were some, or alot, i know plant meltdowns are really bad but for some reason people just mention that japan bombing but thats really about it, or its talked about so rarely, i dunno anyways point being i assume a nuke getting blown up in the sky near california would be a bad thing.

id also assume in a real attack they would hit us in a bunch of different ways all at once increasing the chances of something working.

to think they just because they have old military shit that they can't get through, well i don't believe that for a second.  I also don't believe that everything they have is old either, america isn't the only one with secrets, they could just be pretending to have old shit, and when things really go down, the curtain comes down and they have a million fighter jets built by little girls in china and just carpet bomb the entire country in one hour

i mean look at 3d printers, everyone knows the potential of them, not think about secret bases for a second, they are thinking about that potential as well, and id bet anything russia, or at least china, has, or is working hard at creating a setup where they could build weapons and planes super fast and super cheap and could be copys of what we have.........

you always hear about new secret weapons being tested every couple years, like the laser beam melting planes and boats, shit like that, but u never really hear much from china or russia, other than things like new fleets of planes or subs ect.

I think america shows off our new technology to scare people, and china/russia are hiding theirs for when shit hits the fan, just my guess.  China holds basically all manufactoring, in a war i think that really gives them the upper hand as far as replacing things. 

Plus, who even likes america over there?  doesn't the entire middle east hate us at this point, besides isreal and maybe south korean?  maybe france and britian?  meanwhile from my understanding iraq, iran, afgan, egypt, north korean, russia, china, don't all those hate us pretty much?  china takes our money, lots of trade, but other than that i don't get the impression that they actually like us


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21913396 - 07/08/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Our troops are in Ukraine right now actually killing people.

Russian military power isn't centered on projection or domination of other countries through force of military presence like the U.S.  Their whole military strategy is at present defensive in nature not offense and your wrong about their military being shit. It is somewhat run down as a whole due to over a decade of neglect in the nineties and early 2000s but they have been modernizing it over the last 15 years thanks to the rise in oil prices. In certain select areas they may match or exceed U.S. capability. Missile technology is one of them. Its possible that the U.S. military cant shoot down their latest generation of missiles nukes being included and their military is more than big enough to defend their borders from a conventional attack by the U.S. if they were insane enough to even try. Plus if we messed with Russia we have to mess with China as well. Which even if we won the military war we would face economic ruin at home due to our reliance on resources and goods from both countries.

So far Putin and Russia are waiting for U.S. to collapse on our own weight so to speak. He knows bear bombers are useless its just for show.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21913406 - 07/08/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Did everyone miss this news?  I don't recall seeing it on tv but i don't watch much of it anyway.

But apparently on july 4th putin sent BOMBERS off the coast of CALIFORNIA on the edge of our airspace........










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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: nooneman]
    #21913417 - 07/08/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Russia never came into US airspace and as far as international law goes they were perfectly within their rights. It's really a nonevent pretty much.

Despite what the news would have you believe, I'm pretty sure they do stuff like that all the time.

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their economy is bullshit compared to ours, etc. etc. Sure, they have nukes, but so do we and so do a lot of people. Who cares? The Russian military is a joke compared to ours.





This. The Russian army is a bunch of angry drunks. The state of California alone has a larger economy than the entire country of Russia.

Putin just likes to act like a tough guy.

As nooneman mentioned, IMO we should be way more worried about China than Russia. Although with China's stock market in a free fall things don't look great there, either.

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even if we won the military war we would face economic ruin at home due to our reliance on resources and goods from both countries.




I know many people say that, but I wonder if this is really true? I feel like if anything, not being so reliant on Chinese outsourcing might actually lead to job creation in the US


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #21913607 - 07/08/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Putin is a little insecure child, and he is posturing, no more no less. to bomb (or otherwise attack) the usa would likely bring the end of human life on earth, because once one icmb is launched, the rest are going to follow suit. it's a no win situation.

so meanwhile Putin rides bears shirtless and threatens nuclear war....to validate his (lack of) masculinity.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: istandalone]
    #21913632 - 07/08/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see why everyone always assumes that if one nuke goes off then they all do. There's no politics in that. Shit, what if every major world power is aware that one has a single decisive warhead that would destory us all, and whatever this shit is, is an exercise to boost the economy and nationalism? Nukes were a long time ago. I realize that's speculation but so is assuming all nukes are gonna drop. If everyone is so aware of the destructive capability of nukes then why wouldn't they try to prevent a domino effect? Or is everyone so sure of the 'evil elite' that they need to assume that their endgame agenda is 'I'm taking you with me"?


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #21913642 - 07/08/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
Did everyone miss this news?  I don't recall seeing it on tv but i don't watch much of it anyway.

But apparently on july 4th putin sent BOMBERS off the coast of CALIFORNIA on the edge of our airspace........





This happens a lot. Seriously, it's nothing new. Russia does it with a lot of other countries... As do we


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: 404] * 1
    #21913644 - 07/08/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Did everyone miss this news?  I don't recall seeing it on tv but i don't watch much of it anyway.

But apparently on july 4th putin sent BOMBERS off the coast of CALIFORNIA on the edge of our airspace........





This happens a lot. Seriously, it's nothing new. Russia does it with a lot of other countries... As do we




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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Lucis]
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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21913681 - 07/08/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's gotta be one of the worst things i've ever watched. I got to "you're apart of america" and instantly shut it off.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: 404]
    #21913723 - 07/08/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It was an important opinion shaper in the cold war, which is why we are allgathered here now and not in a fallout shelter eating canned food from the 1980s.

Its "In Europe and America" by the way.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21913747 - 07/08/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't see why everyone always assumes that if one nuke goes off then they all do. There's no politics in that. Shit, what if every major world power is aware that one has a single decisive warhead that would destory us all, and whatever this shit is, is an exercise to boost the economy and nationalism? Nukes were a long time ago. I realize that's speculation but so is assuming all nukes are gonna drop. If everyone is so aware of the destructive capability of nukes then why wouldn't they try to prevent a domino effect? Or is everyone so sure of the 'evil elite' that they need to assume that their endgame agenda is 'I'm taking you with me"?





we fire an icbm, Russia detects it, and fires their own. what then? do you really think Putin and Obama will just shake hands after and walk away? once one missile has been launched, the possibility of more following grows exponentially with each bomb launched.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: istandalone]
    #21913750 - 07/08/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

MIRV ICBM's suck. One missile vaporizes 8 cities.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21913759 - 07/08/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If their bombs still work. Nuclear weapons have shelf life of maybe a decade or two.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: koods]
    #21913764 - 07/08/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That depends on how they're made. And you can bet that Russia keeps a good number of nukes in working order, Putin likes nukes.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21913783 - 07/08/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it's a real shame we haven't yet developed technology that can destroy missles and rockets in mid air... Oh wait.



russia couldn't* hold up against us with their aging tech.

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    #21913810 - 07/08/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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russia could hold up against us with their aging tech.




Boxcutters and airliners did 9/11. I think Russian megaton bombs flying in at Mach 30 stand a good chance of doing nightmarish damage.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21913858 - 07/08/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, you Americans grossly underestimate Russia.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Patlal]
    #21913893 - 07/08/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This kind of posturing goes on all the time. Hell, they were just off the east Coast last month. Nuclear subs are always in each others waters playing cat and mouse. Putin is pissed and having a hissy fit because we are helping out the Ukraine people. This is his way of showing concern.
We do this all the time also....really no big deal.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Patlal]
    #21913943 - 07/08/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Wow, you Americans grossly underestimate Russia.





Its a good thing their government doesn't.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Patlal]
    #21914172 - 07/08/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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russia could hold up against us with their aging tech.




Boxcutters and airliners did 9/11. I think Russian megaton bombs flying in at Mach 30 stand a good chance of doing nightmarish damage.




No, thermite did. Don't start that up.

You assume russia has the ability to get past our defence network, assuming they would pull such a stunt anyway (they wont)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_defense

Technology exists to handle ICBM's. Furthermore, we've handled things pretty well with evonomic sanctions which have really fucked with their ruble. I don't see major war breaking out with them anytime soon, even though we are kind of fighting a proxy war them in the ukraine.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: koods] * 3
    #21914191 - 07/08/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If their bombs still work. Nuclear weapons have shelf life of maybe a decade or two.





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The National Nuclear Security Administration said yesterday that studies have concluded that the plutonium used to trigger U.S. nuclear warheads and bombs will remain reliable for about 100 years, far longer than had been believed.




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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: 404]
    #21914204 - 07/08/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You assume russia has the ability to get past our defence network




Really?

I don't know what to say man if you really think that. Within MINUTES after Putin pushes the button russian submarine nukes destroy and EMP the crap out of your nation and within half an hour the ICBM's come swooping down all at once at Mach 30.

If Obama is having a shit when Putin pushes the button the first nuke will go off over US soil before he has zipped up.

Its been like this for decades.

You guys would be lucky as shit to intercept half the ICBMs and just one MIRV can wipe out 8 large cities.

Expect the worst of your defence network and cheer any warhead it intercepts if Putin does press the red button.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21914280 - 07/08/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I always thought it was kind of funny when Putin threw a fit a few years back when we wanted to put missile defense batteries in the Balkans somewhere. These are purely defensive and he knows they are effective against his short range and ICBM's.

It wasn't like we were trying to put missiles there....just defense against his...and he freaked the fuck out.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21914287 - 07/08/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"He got aggressive" was a better description than "he freaked out". I doubt if he's ever been scared at all.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21914348 - 07/08/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

IME Asante, Scary people are usually full of fear themselves. Of course, Mr. Putin could be just plain psychopathic...which would defy that particular logic. I think he just has "short guy syndrome":wink:


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21914373 - 07/08/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21914406 - 07/08/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Isn't he former KGB?  Im sure Putin has all sorts of secrets.

I think we are mightier then Russia but they are not to be underestimated.

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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21914412 - 07/08/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21914455 - 07/08/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's for sure....He is a scary dude with scary power. But I don't think he is stupid.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21914620 - 07/08/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I always thought it was kind of funny when Putin threw a fit a few years back when we wanted to put missile defense batteries in the Balkans somewhere. These are purely defensive and he knows they are effective against his short range and ICBM's.

It wasn't like we were trying to put missiles there....just defense against his...and he freaked the fuck out.





Imagine Russia doing the same thing along the borders of mexico and Canada.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Shins]
    #21914682 - 07/08/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



pretty damn obvious what his issue is imho. the kid never got laid.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Shins]
    #21914825 - 07/08/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Imagine Russia doing the same thing along the borders of mexico and Canada.




....or in Cuba? I think the reasoning behind us putting them there was more to protect Europe from the rogues like N. Korea ..and the crazies that may have got their hands on some of their huge arsenal after the break up of the Soviet Union.....Not as a direct slap in Putins face. Besides....it won't happen in our lifetimes because the US doesn't have neighbors that abhor us like Russia does. Pretty soon, we'll all be taking our vacations in Havana. lol


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21915146 - 07/08/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You guys act like the US doesn't have nukes. We have way better nukes than the Russians. We shouldn't be concerned about Russian nukes, Russia should be concerned about our nukes. Shit, we even have convention weapons with the yield of nukes. Nukes are seriously not a big deal at all. A TON of country have nukes, who cares? Our conventional bombs often have the yield of nukes.

And no, we are not underestimating the Russians, you're overestimating them. You still think of Russia as this big bad cold war foe, but they're now a very poor, very under equipped nation using technology from the 60s, with shit training. I know people who've been to Russia. The vast majority of that country is poverty level. It's infrastructure is shit. It doesn't even have proper roads. You can't even drive from one side of Russia to the other. And don't tell me it's because it's so big. China didn't have that problem. There are roads in America that run between northern Alaska and Guatemala and beyond.

Russia still uses equipment from the soviet era, and their military spending is absolutely pathetic compared to ours. It would be like England trying to seem like they still have all the power and influence that they did during the height of the british empire and colonialism. It's just bullshit. Russia has a tiny economy, an undertrained military, miniscule military spending, and shit training for its troops.

The only way that they manage to influence anything is by pretending that they're still the big bad soviet union. But hell, even the big bad soviet union was mostly propaganda.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: nooneman]
    #21915435 - 07/08/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here is a spectacular video of an ICBM deployment:




The latest Russian submarine class will be equipped with RSM-56 Bulava rockets that work just like that, but they have TEN warheads each, and each 150 kT warhead (10x Hiroshima) is well able to cause serious destruction.

One rocket, 10 cities.

Or shall we dump all 10 of them on NYC alone? At 8.5 million people, its a big target.

Here is 1 of the 10 warheads going off at the foot of the Empire State Building: 150 kt groundburst manhattan

thats 1/10 of 1 rockets potential.

Russia will build 170 of these rockets and will have 124 fully functional, ready to go. Thats 186 megatons as 1240 warheads.

Thats just one type of their rockets, the type that strikes in minutes, before the president is off the toilet.


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    #21915467 - 07/08/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

tell us about the ones putin uses during presidential sex


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    #21915509 - 07/08/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just saying that just 1 of those rockets coming through is the biggest disaster ever to hit any country in the world short of the friggin Flood. 100x the bomb on Hiroshima packed in 10 heavy warheads which are independently guided to destinations.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21916741 - 07/08/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Russia will build 170 of these rockets and will have 124 fully functional, ready to go. Thats 186 megatons as 1240 warheads.






It seems like they are only just starting to get all the kinks worked out of the RSM-56 Bulava.

I don't know about today, I'm sure the technology is much more advanced. However, in the 1990's the US had SLBM with a CEP of < 100m. That was 20 years ago.

So basically, yes, you are correct. The Russians could decimate all major US cities. However, the US could just as easily (more easily, most likely) do the same thing to the Russians.

While it would be bad for both countries, if there was anybody left, the Americans would be able to recover from it faster than the Russians could recover from their vodka hangover.

Again, the economy of the state of California alone is larger than the economy of the entire country of Russia

The US is more stable, US has over twice as many people as Russia, the US economy is vastly superior, US infrastructure is superior, US technology is superior, etc.

So while it is true that Russia could destroy the US, the US could destroy Russia just as easily, and the US would recover faster as well.

So basically, all situations end with Russia < USA.

Not only that, but just because Russia says they are going to do something, doesn't mean they are going to go through with it as planned.
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For one thing, Russia, given its economic problems, probably cannot afford even the weapons that Mr. Putin has pledged to deliver by 2020. Six months ago, he said the country would add 50 ballistic missiles to its nuclear arsenal this year, and at least one senior Russian military official has indicated publicly that the Kremlin’s appetite exceeds its wallet.




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He repeated part of that pledge on Tuesday at the military fair, stating that at least 70 percent of all weapons should be modernized by 2020. But there are signs that the money might run out first.

The military budget jumped 32 percent last fall, only to be cut back by over 4 percent this year, according to Russian news reports.

Yuriy Borisov, a deputy defense minister, told the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper this year that the military had underestimated how much it would need to spend to acquire new Armata tanks. Mr. Putin had pledged the government would buy 2,300 by 2020.

“We miscalculated on the Armata,” Mr. Borisov was quoted as saying. “The money allocated for that project turns out to be too little.” Production costs are 250 percent higher than anticipated, he said, without further details.

The official cost is secret, but Russian news reports estimate that the tanks cost more than $7 million apiece. Orders for the T-50, an expensive new fighter jet, are also likely to be reduced.

Mr. Golts noted that although senior Russian officials continued to promise modern weapons, they quietly fiddled with the numbers to be delivered.





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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21916784 - 07/08/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just saying that just 1 of those rockets coming through is the biggest disaster ever to hit any country in the world short of the friggin Flood. 100x the bomb on Hiroshima packed in 10 heavy warheads which are independently guided to destinations.




I'm just saying, the reason nobody in America is that worried about that happening, is because even if it does, Russia will still be more fucked than the US will be.

edit: I was just reading more about missiles. I didn't realize the Trident II had such an insanely long range.

Range: With full load 7,840 kilometres (4,230 nmi); with reduced load approx. 7,000 mi (11,300 km) (exact is classified)

Maximum speed:
Approximately 18,030 mph (29,020 km/h) (Mach 24)(terminal phase)

Guidance system: Astro-inertial guidance.

CEP:
Requirement: 90–120 metres (300–390 ft). (Information from flight tests is classified.)

Warhead (in USA usage only): The Mark 5 MIRV can carry up to 14 W88 (475 kt) warheads, while the Mark 4 MIRV can also carry 14 W76 (100 kt) warheads.


At any given time, there are probably multiple US subs in the North Atlantic loaded up with Trident II's that can easily hit anywhere in Russia and hit that target within ~100 meters or less.

That is technology developed by the US in 1990. Over 20 years ago.
That's hard for Russia to top.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21917007 - 07/08/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just saying that just 1 of those rockets coming through is the biggest disaster ever to hit any country in the world short of the friggin Flood. 100x the bomb on Hiroshima packed in 10 heavy warheads which are independently guided to destinations.




again. it won't make it. :whatyougonnado:

our newest technology is fully capable of intercepting an ICBM designed decades ago. we have passenger jets outfitted with advanced radar systems and lasers meant for just this sort of thing. Russia can't so much as fart in our airspace without us knowing what they are up to.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: 404] * 2
    #21917189 - 07/08/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so terrorists are the boogy man and we need millions of laws stripping all our rights, but russia with a full blown military, professionally trained spys, snowden leaks, and a bear riding bear chested putin can't fart without us knowing?

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    #21917311 - 07/08/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I always thought it was kind of funny when Putin threw a fit a few years back when we wanted to put missile defense batteries in the Balkans somewhere. These are purely defensive and he knows they are effective against his short range and ICBM's.






Bold part is not true. Surrounding Russia with an anti-missile shield would enable the USA to launch a nuclear first-strike on Russia, so it's a big threat to their national defense. Putin had every right to denounce it.

By the way, the idea that the Russian military is exponentially weaker than the USA's is not true. The Russians have superior missile and anti-air technology. Unlike the USA, their army is not designed to launch wars against weaker foreign countries, but rather primarily for defense.

The S-500 anti-aircraft missile system is one of the most advanced in the world and effectively seals Russian airspace against both hostile aircraft and ballistic missiles. Any air attack over Russian airspace would take huge losses. Most conventional nuclear missiles would not make it through either. Any kind of missile attack to "decimate" the Russian army would not be effective. The S-500 is a huge game-changer.

Secondly, Russia actually *does* possess very advanced missile technology that can supposedly penetrate even the most advanced anti-missile shields. This means that in the event of nuclear war many of our cities would be destroyed, and there is nothing we could do about it. That doesn't even get into the fact that they also have undetectable nuclear-armed submarines that could pop up literally anywhere.

War between Russia vs. USA would not result in either side being the winner. Most likely, it would result in total annihilation for the entire human race. Or possibly a Mad-Max style future. Neither scenario is positive.

Even if the war somehow stayed 100% conventional without use of any nuclear weapons, Americans are foolhardy to believe we could just go in and steamroll Russia. This is not Iraq or Afghanistan we're talking about here, where we have undisputed air superiority. The S-500 would 100% wipe out any kind of air support we try to provide our troops over Russian territory.


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    #21917319 - 07/08/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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I'm just saying that just 1 of those rockets coming through is the biggest disaster ever to hit any country in the world short of the friggin Flood. 100x the bomb on Hiroshima packed in 10 heavy warheads which are independently guided to destinations.




again. it won't make it. :whatyougonnado:

our newest technology is fully capable of intercepting an ICBM designed decades ago. we have passenger jets outfitted with advanced radar systems and lasers meant for just this sort of thing. Russia can't so much as fart in our airspace without us knowing what they are up to.




This kind of thinking is simply not true and is actually rather dangerous. The Russians possess highly advanced missile technology. They could wipe out the USA mainland if they wanted to. Our leaders are playing with fire provoking a war with Russia.

This is also why I think a major war between Russia Vs. USA would never happen. Despite all our saber rattling and bravado the people at the Pentagon know full well that a war would not end well for us. So instead we launch a proxy war in Ukraine and try to cause color revolutions inside of Russia.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: chopstick]
    #21917383 - 07/08/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Article from May 9, 2015
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Russia has also been developing the solid-fueled Bulava RSM-56 submarine-launched ballistic missile. After a series of embarrassing test failures, the Bulava was finally declared operational in October. The Bulava carries up to 10 warheads and has an operational range of 10,000 kilometers.

Borei class nuclear submarine: The Bulava missile is designed for use with the Borei class strategic nuclear submarine. Borei submarines were first conceived in the mid-1980s, but serious work only began in 1996. The project ran up against Russia's financial collapse and was long delayed. The first vessel, the Yury Dolgoruky, was ceremonially launched in 2007 but wasn't accepted into service until 2013.

Two more Boreis are nearing completion and Russia plans to build a total of 10. Work has reportedly begun on a fourth Borei, which may be significantly modified and could be considered a Borei-II type.
The Borei class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine Yury Dolgoruky in 2014The Borei class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine Yury Dolgoruky in 2014

The subs will enable Russia to regularly patrol the far southern hemisphere for the first time in two decades. Boreis run a crew of 107 and are armed with 16 Bulava strategic nuclear missiles (up to 10 warheads each), as well as torpedoes and RPK-2 Viyuga nuclear-capable cruise missiles.

Perhaps keeping in mind the tragic 2008 sinking of the Kursk, Russia's RT television reported all Borei class subs will have a rescue chamber "designed to fit in the whole crew."




They only just got the Bulava working consistently in the last few years. There is currently only one submarine that can launch one.

Before that they had the R-39, which is inferior to the Trident II in accuracy and range. The Trident II has been around since 1990.

So I am interested to hear more about how much better Russian missile technology is, because from here, it looks like they are just now finally catching up to the US.


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    #21917385 - 07/08/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The Russians have superior missile and anti-air technology. Unlike the USA, their army is not designed to launch wars against weaker foreign countries, but rather primarily for defense.





You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Not to be a dick, but that statement is ridiculous and you have provided no evidence to back up what you are saying at all.

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and effectively seals off Russian airspace.





That exact quote is in pretty much every article about the S-500. Just because Russian media says it doesn't make it true.

Also: I'm pretty sure the S-500 is only going to be deployed around Moscow/central Russia...So yeah if you want to totally exaggerate, you can say it 'effectively seals off Russian airspace' but it would probably be more accurate to say it 'may prevent a ICBM from hitting Moscow and surrounding areas, but has never actually been used to shoot down an actual missile from an enemy'


Worst case scenario-Nuclear war breaks out because Russia starts it (the US will never strike first, contrary to Russian paranoia) Basically, it might take the US a few tries to hit Moscow with a nuke. The rest of Russia, not so much.

One more edit and I am done. I just want to add this:

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The U.S. defense budget is $612 billion. Despite sequestration and other spending cuts, the United States spends more money on defense than the next ten highest spending countries combined.




source

source

It is also worth keeping in mind that we probably have no idea what the US military is actually capable of doing.
They most likely have technology beyond what we can even imagine.

In many countries, like North Korea and sometimes Russia, for example, every time they start developing a new weapon the state media goes crazy and leaders tout it as a sign of their power and technological abilities.

This is not really the case with the US military, they keep the real shit super classified and secretive. There is probably technology we have not even seen used that is extremely advanced.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: 404]
    #22097942 - 08/16/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You assume russia has the ability to get past our defence network, assuming they would pull such a stunt anyway (they wont)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_defense

Technology exists to handle ICBM's.





NEWSFLASH:





No thats not just a random youtuber its an expert. It will take multiple decades before you can seriously defend against a volley of ICBMs.

The US would be a nuclear wasteland if the Russians attacked now.

Coast to coast 1 megaton thermonuclear BBQs for every major city.




Even if the US wouldnt retaliate the Russian strike alone would usher in nuclear winter and considerably speed up the current mass extinction event.
Hell, even a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India would do that.


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