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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21915467 - 07/08/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

tell us about the ones putin uses during presidential sex


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21915509 - 07/08/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm just saying that just 1 of those rockets coming through is the biggest disaster ever to hit any country in the world short of the friggin Flood. 100x the bomb on Hiroshima packed in 10 heavy warheads which are independently guided to destinations.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21916741 - 07/08/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Russia will build 170 of these rockets and will have 124 fully functional, ready to go. Thats 186 megatons as 1240 warheads.






It seems like they are only just starting to get all the kinks worked out of the RSM-56 Bulava.

I don't know about today, I'm sure the technology is much more advanced. However, in the 1990's the US had SLBM with a CEP of < 100m. That was 20 years ago.

So basically, yes, you are correct. The Russians could decimate all major US cities. However, the US could just as easily (more easily, most likely) do the same thing to the Russians.

While it would be bad for both countries, if there was anybody left, the Americans would be able to recover from it faster than the Russians could recover from their vodka hangover.

Again, the economy of the state of California alone is larger than the economy of the entire country of Russia

The US is more stable, US has over twice as many people as Russia, the US economy is vastly superior, US infrastructure is superior, US technology is superior, etc.

So while it is true that Russia could destroy the US, the US could destroy Russia just as easily, and the US would recover faster as well.

So basically, all situations end with Russia < USA.

Not only that, but just because Russia says they are going to do something, doesn't mean they are going to go through with it as planned.
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For one thing, Russia, given its economic problems, probably cannot afford even the weapons that Mr. Putin has pledged to deliver by 2020. Six months ago, he said the country would add 50 ballistic missiles to its nuclear arsenal this year, and at least one senior Russian military official has indicated publicly that the Kremlin’s appetite exceeds its wallet.




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He repeated part of that pledge on Tuesday at the military fair, stating that at least 70 percent of all weapons should be modernized by 2020. But there are signs that the money might run out first.

The military budget jumped 32 percent last fall, only to be cut back by over 4 percent this year, according to Russian news reports.

Yuriy Borisov, a deputy defense minister, told the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper this year that the military had underestimated how much it would need to spend to acquire new Armata tanks. Mr. Putin had pledged the government would buy 2,300 by 2020.

“We miscalculated on the Armata,” Mr. Borisov was quoted as saying. “The money allocated for that project turns out to be too little.” Production costs are 250 percent higher than anticipated, he said, without further details.

The official cost is secret, but Russian news reports estimate that the tanks cost more than $7 million apiece. Orders for the T-50, an expensive new fighter jet, are also likely to be reduced.

Mr. Golts noted that although senior Russian officials continued to promise modern weapons, they quietly fiddled with the numbers to be delivered.




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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21916784 - 07/08/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm just saying that just 1 of those rockets coming through is the biggest disaster ever to hit any country in the world short of the friggin Flood. 100x the bomb on Hiroshima packed in 10 heavy warheads which are independently guided to destinations.




I'm just saying, the reason nobody in America is that worried about that happening, is because even if it does, Russia will still be more fucked than the US will be.

edit: I was just reading more about missiles. I didn't realize the Trident II had such an insanely long range.

Range: With full load 7,840 kilometres (4,230 nmi); with reduced load approx. 7,000 mi (11,300 km) (exact is classified)

Maximum speed:
Approximately 18,030 mph (29,020 km/h) (Mach 24)(terminal phase)

Guidance system: Astro-inertial guidance.

CEP:
Requirement: 90–120 metres (300–390 ft). (Information from flight tests is classified.)

Warhead (in USA usage only): The Mark 5 MIRV can carry up to 14 W88 (475 kt) warheads, while the Mark 4 MIRV can also carry 14 W76 (100 kt) warheads.


At any given time, there are probably multiple US subs in the North Atlantic loaded up with Trident II's that can easily hit anywhere in Russia and hit that target within ~100 meters or less.

That is technology developed by the US in 1990. Over 20 years ago.
That's hard for Russia to top.

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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Asante]
    #21917007 - 07/08/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm just saying that just 1 of those rockets coming through is the biggest disaster ever to hit any country in the world short of the friggin Flood. 100x the bomb on Hiroshima packed in 10 heavy warheads which are independently guided to destinations.




again. it won't make it. :whatyougonnado:

our newest technology is fully capable of intercepting an ICBM designed decades ago. we have passenger jets outfitted with advanced radar systems and lasers meant for just this sort of thing. Russia can't so much as fart in our airspace without us knowing what they are up to.

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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: 404] * 2
    #21917189 - 07/08/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

so terrorists are the boogy man and we need millions of laws stripping all our rights, but russia with a full blown military, professionally trained spys, snowden leaks, and a bear riding bear chested putin can't fart without us knowing?

get real.


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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21917311 - 07/08/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I always thought it was kind of funny when Putin threw a fit a few years back when we wanted to put missile defense batteries in the Balkans somewhere. These are purely defensive and he knows they are effective against his short range and ICBM's.






Bold part is not true. Surrounding Russia with an anti-missile shield would enable the USA to launch a nuclear first-strike on Russia, so it's a big threat to their national defense. Putin had every right to denounce it.

By the way, the idea that the Russian military is exponentially weaker than the USA's is not true. The Russians have superior missile and anti-air technology. Unlike the USA, their army is not designed to launch wars against weaker foreign countries, but rather primarily for defense.

The S-500 anti-aircraft missile system is one of the most advanced in the world and effectively seals Russian airspace against both hostile aircraft and ballistic missiles. Any air attack over Russian airspace would take huge losses. Most conventional nuclear missiles would not make it through either. Any kind of missile attack to "decimate" the Russian army would not be effective. The S-500 is a huge game-changer.

Secondly, Russia actually *does* possess very advanced missile technology that can supposedly penetrate even the most advanced anti-missile shields. This means that in the event of nuclear war many of our cities would be destroyed, and there is nothing we could do about it. That doesn't even get into the fact that they also have undetectable nuclear-armed submarines that could pop up literally anywhere.

War between Russia vs. USA would not result in either side being the winner. Most likely, it would result in total annihilation for the entire human race. Or possibly a Mad-Max style future. Neither scenario is positive.

Even if the war somehow stayed 100% conventional without use of any nuclear weapons, Americans are foolhardy to believe we could just go in and steamroll Russia. This is not Iraq or Afghanistan we're talking about here, where we have undisputed air superiority. The S-500 would 100% wipe out any kind of air support we try to provide our troops over Russian territory.

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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: 404]
    #21917319 - 07/08/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm just saying that just 1 of those rockets coming through is the biggest disaster ever to hit any country in the world short of the friggin Flood. 100x the bomb on Hiroshima packed in 10 heavy warheads which are independently guided to destinations.




again. it won't make it. :whatyougonnado:

our newest technology is fully capable of intercepting an ICBM designed decades ago. we have passenger jets outfitted with advanced radar systems and lasers meant for just this sort of thing. Russia can't so much as fart in our airspace without us knowing what they are up to.




This kind of thinking is simply not true and is actually rather dangerous. The Russians possess highly advanced missile technology. They could wipe out the USA mainland if they wanted to. Our leaders are playing with fire provoking a war with Russia.

This is also why I think a major war between Russia Vs. USA would never happen. Despite all our saber rattling and bravado the people at the Pentagon know full well that a war would not end well for us. So instead we launch a proxy war in Ukraine and try to cause color revolutions inside of Russia.

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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: chopstick]
    #21917383 - 07/08/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Article from May 9, 2015
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Russia has also been developing the solid-fueled Bulava RSM-56 submarine-launched ballistic missile. After a series of embarrassing test failures, the Bulava was finally declared operational in October. The Bulava carries up to 10 warheads and has an operational range of 10,000 kilometers.

Borei class nuclear submarine: The Bulava missile is designed for use with the Borei class strategic nuclear submarine. Borei submarines were first conceived in the mid-1980s, but serious work only began in 1996. The project ran up against Russia's financial collapse and was long delayed. The first vessel, the Yury Dolgoruky, was ceremonially launched in 2007 but wasn't accepted into service until 2013.

Two more Boreis are nearing completion and Russia plans to build a total of 10. Work has reportedly begun on a fourth Borei, which may be significantly modified and could be considered a Borei-II type.
The Borei class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine Yury Dolgoruky in 2014The Borei class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine Yury Dolgoruky in 2014

The subs will enable Russia to regularly patrol the far southern hemisphere for the first time in two decades. Boreis run a crew of 107 and are armed with 16 Bulava strategic nuclear missiles (up to 10 warheads each), as well as torpedoes and RPK-2 Viyuga nuclear-capable cruise missiles.

Perhaps keeping in mind the tragic 2008 sinking of the Kursk, Russia's RT television reported all Borei class subs will have a rescue chamber "designed to fit in the whole crew."




They only just got the Bulava working consistently in the last few years. There is currently only one submarine that can launch one.

Before that they had the R-39, which is inferior to the Trident II in accuracy and range. The Trident II has been around since 1990.

So I am interested to hear more about how much better Russian missile technology is, because from here, it looks like they are just now finally catching up to the US.

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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #21917385 - 07/08/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The Russians have superior missile and anti-air technology. Unlike the USA, their army is not designed to launch wars against weaker foreign countries, but rather primarily for defense.





You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Not to be a dick, but that statement is ridiculous and you have provided no evidence to back up what you are saying at all.

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and effectively seals off Russian airspace.





That exact quote is in pretty much every article about the S-500. Just because Russian media says it doesn't make it true.

Also: I'm pretty sure the S-500 is only going to be deployed around Moscow/central Russia...So yeah if you want to totally exaggerate, you can say it 'effectively seals off Russian airspace' but it would probably be more accurate to say it 'may prevent a ICBM from hitting Moscow and surrounding areas, but has never actually been used to shoot down an actual missile from an enemy'


Worst case scenario-Nuclear war breaks out because Russia starts it (the US will never strike first, contrary to Russian paranoia) Basically, it might take the US a few tries to hit Moscow with a nuke. The rest of Russia, not so much.

One more edit and I am done. I just want to add this:

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The U.S. defense budget is $612 billion. Despite sequestration and other spending cuts, the United States spends more money on defense than the next ten highest spending countries combined.




source

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It is also worth keeping in mind that we probably have no idea what the US military is actually capable of doing.
They most likely have technology beyond what we can even imagine.

In many countries, like North Korea and sometimes Russia, for example, every time they start developing a new weapon the state media goes crazy and leaders tout it as a sign of their power and technological abilities.

This is not really the case with the US military, they keep the real shit super classified and secretive. There is probably technology we have not even seen used that is extremely advanced.

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Re: Russia bombers off california? [Re: 404]
    #22097942 - 08/16/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You assume russia has the ability to get past our defence network, assuming they would pull such a stunt anyway (they wont)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_defense

Technology exists to handle ICBM's.





NEWSFLASH:





No thats not just a random youtuber its an expert. It will take multiple decades before you can seriously defend against a volley of ICBMs.

The US would be a nuclear wasteland if the Russians attacked now.

Coast to coast 1 megaton thermonuclear BBQs for every major city.




Even if the US wouldnt retaliate the Russian strike alone would usher in nuclear winter and considerably speed up the current mass extinction event.
Hell, even a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India would do that.


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