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LSD... Caused a murder?
    #21912645 - 07/07/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I mentioned to my friend that I'd love to try LSD.  She told me she watched a documentary on some kids who did it, one of them ended up going nuts and killing someone.

Is this actually true?  I'll try find out what programme it was she watched.


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21912718 - 07/07/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Helter Skelter


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: Patchouli_Savage] * 1
    #21912804 - 07/08/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21912903 - 07/08/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: psillyboy]
    #21912946 - 07/08/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Most likely this story
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Kasso




The conflict between Kasso and Lauwers had started several months earlier when Lauwers allegedly stole 10 bags of PCP from Kasso's jacket, after he had passed out at a party. Kasso confronted him soon after the incident, prompting Lauwers to immediately return five of the ten bags of PCP. Lauwers also promised to repay Kasso $50 for the five bags of PCP that had been used, but failed to do so. As a result, Kasso reportedly beat Lauwers on four separate occasions. On the night of the murder, Kasso visited the small gazebo in the new Cow Harbor park and borrowed a radio from friend Mark Fisher. He then invited Lauwers to get high, claiming that he was ready to forgive the $50 debt and wanted to be friends. The group walked to Aztakea woods, set up camp and ingested several doses, or hits, of what they believed to be mescaline, but was most likely either PCP or LSD[citation needed]. The teens attempted to start a small fire, but all of the available firewood was too wet and would not ignite. Lauwers used his socks, as well as the sleeves from his denim jacket, as kindling to start the fire.

"The situation escalated into violence when Kasso suggested that they should also use some of Lauwer's hair as kindling for the fire. Kasso scuffled with Lauwers, bit him on the neck and stabbed him in the chest. Kasso continued his assault on Lauwers for an extended period of time, which was reported to have lasted three to four hours. Quinones claimed that Troiano helped Kasso and held Lauwers during the attack.
During subsequent testimony he provided under immunity, however, Quinones did assume some responsibility for holding Lauwers down, as well as chasing Lauwers and dragging him back to Kasso when he had attempted to flee.[citation needed] Lauwers was stabbed somewhere between 17 and 36 times, incurred burns, and his eyeballs had been gouged out. It was also reported that stones had been shoved down his throat.
  During the attack, Kasso allegedly commanded Lauwers to "Say you love Satan", but Lauwers is said to have instead replied "I love my mother". After the attack, Kasso and Troiano covered Lauwers' body with leaves and small branches. As the group was departing Aztakea, Lauwers was reported to have sat up and repeated "I love my mother", causing Kasso to resume the attack until he was certain that Lauwers had died."


LSD didn't make them murderers, they were already murderers before they took it. :facepalm: As well as no one is sure if it was LSD or PCP. PCP would make you kill someone easy. Seriously though, 50$ debt? Lmao, that's like an eighth of weed. Fucking retarded kids these days


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: Hayoxp]
    #21912991 - 07/08/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I thought pcp when she told me.  How come no one actually knows for sure what it was they took, didn't they do tests on em?


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21913621 - 07/08/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

^ happy 420 post :awebigvaped:

for your OP , i dont think anyone can blame a drug on a murder . unless it triggers a really huge psychosis , and the person in question never had psychosis episode before or mental illness history.

People who are at risk shouldnt do psych because they know they could get fuck up and do some stupid . So its totally their fault even in front of the justice.

but anyway if your a bit normal LSD doesnt want to make you kill someone , it actually makes you love people :heart:


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: Patchouli_Savage]
    #21913834 - 07/08/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Helter Skelter



Charlie Manson and friends dealt the death blow to LSD in the late sixties...almost anyone that was on the fence at the time threw the towel in. LSD almost instantly became a evil drug because it was used in their rituals.

Almost all research stopped after the Sharon Tate thing ...for nearly 40 years.


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21914148 - 07/08/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

a friend of mine killed himself while on LSD.  he took a gun and shot himself in the head.

now, he was very depressed at the time, also he was visiting someone else who actually owned the gun

we will never know if he would have done it sober anyways, but i think you should probably have a healthy respect for how psychedelics can impact the mind.. not even mentioning deleriants like datura and nightshade and so forth

all psychotropic substances will potentiate internal states, so thats the key


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: rajajuju] * 2
    #21914758 - 07/08/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's fucked up....sorry dude. Thanks for sharing that.


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: rajajuju]
    #21915061 - 07/08/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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a friend of mine killed himself while on LSD.  he took a gun and shot himself in the head.

now, he was very depressed at the time, also he was visiting someone else who actually owned the gun

we will never know if he would have done it sober anyways, but i think you should probably have a healthy respect for how psychedelics can impact the mind.. not even mentioning deleriants like datura and nightshade and so forth

all psychotropic substances will potentiate internal states, so thats the key




Yeah it's definitely not something to do if you have preexisting psychological issues, certainly not unmonitored anyway.


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21917895 - 07/09/15 02:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Helter Skelter



Charlie Manson and friends dealt the death blow to LSD in the late sixties...almost anyone that was on the fence at the time threw the towel in. LSD almost instantly became a evil drug because it was used in their rituals.

Almost all research stopped after the Sharon Tate thing ...for nearly 40 years.



Charlie Manson didn't like LSD. He was more into opiates.


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: endogenous]
    #21918422 - 07/09/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Helter Skelter



Charlie Manson and friends dealt the death blow to LSD in the late sixties...almost anyone that was on the fence at the time threw the towel in. LSD almost instantly became a evil drug because it was used in their rituals.

Almost all research stopped after the Sharon Tate thing ...for nearly 40 years.



Charlie Manson didn't like LSD. He was more into opiates.



mmmm hmmmm...I think he liked LSD too...maybe too much.



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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21918465 - 07/09/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Jeffrey Dahmer just drank a lot of beer.

If you have thoughts about murder all the time I probably wouldnt take any drugs at all.


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21920082 - 07/09/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

LSD wont turn you into a murderer. Unless u already had reocurring violent thoughts your whole life.

LSD can bring out mental illness thou, so its best to research your family history for mental illness.

Also, its a common effect to feel Godlike/invincible. I think its called megomania.  but its bot a violent effect.


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21926881 - 07/11/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thayendanegea said:
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Helter Skelter



Charlie Manson and friends dealt the death blow to LSD in the late sixties...almost anyone that was on the fence at the time threw the towel in. LSD almost instantly became a evil drug because it was used in their rituals.

Almost all research stopped after the Sharon Tate thing ...for nearly 40 years.



Charlie Manson didn't like LSD. He was more into opiates.



mmmm hmmmm...I think he liked LSD too...maybe too much.





Lyttle and Demarest had many questions for Hoffman, but Hoffman had curiosities of his own to satisfy.

"One of the first things he asked me about was Charles Manson," Lyttle recalls. "He asked me if I knew if it was true that Manson had used LSD to brainwash his cult members and whether they actually committed murders while they were tripping on LSD. I told him it was absolutely false. The Manson family members, most of the time, had used datura and other drugs used for zombie preparations in Haitian voudoo."

Tom Lyttle and Robert Demarest interview with Albert Hofmann -- http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/acid-again-6316481


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21926891 - 07/11/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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LSD wont turn you into a murderer. Unless u already had reocurring violent thoughts your whole life.

LSD can bring out mental illness thou, so its best to research your family history for mental illness.

Also, its a common effect to feel Godlike/invincible. I think its called megomania.  but its bot a violent effect.



This. You've said this perfectly.


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: Ryar10241]
    #21927383 - 07/11/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No it doesn't work like that. Tell your friend to not be silly, do you know how many murders are caused by alcohol?


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: Ego Trip]
    #21927393 - 07/11/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She's annoying, insists I'm going to go mad or something and said she had found loads of references on Google to people killing on lsd.

*insert rolls eyes smiley here*


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Re: LSD... Caused a murder? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21928828 - 07/11/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Megalomania, I've experienced this.


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