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Re: Transgender children [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21911518 - 07/07/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Self-identification is not a medical decision and I can speak from experience that my life would be a lot less painful if people had taken me seriously when I told them the first billion fucking times, but okay. :shrug:




And I respect that. But when did you tell them. Was it at 5 years of age? You still have NOT answered the fucking question.


You know gosh damn well it wasnt when you were a fucking infant saying his first sentences




I think I was four? I'm not sure. I told them again and again and again throughout the years and they dismissed it every time. I lost count of all the times I had to come out and been dismissed a long, long time ago. It was when I was sixteen that I got into specifics and what I needed them to help me with but they still held out on me, "we're just not sure how you can be sure of something like that" blah blah blah, leaving me to suffer without help for over ten years. It fucking sucked, nobody should go through that shit.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21911539 - 07/07/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
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BlindSophist said:
Self-identification is not a medical decision and I can speak from experience that my life would be a lot less painful if people had taken me seriously when I told them the first billion fucking times, but okay. :shrug:




And I respect that. But when did you tell them. Was it at 5 years of age? You still have NOT answered the fucking question.


You know gosh damn well it wasnt when you were a fucking infant saying his first sentences




I think I was four? I'm not sure. I told them again and again and again throughout the years and they dismissed it every time. It was when I was sixteen that I got into specifics and what I needed them to help me with but they still held out on me, "we're just not sure how you can be sure of something like that" blah blah blah, leaving me to suffer without help for over ten years. It fucking sucked, nobody should go through that shit.



What if its just mental illness. What if its like schizo back in the day and people thought there's no saving it so we should just kill them, and in this case there's no making there brain "normal" so lets just let them be "its".


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Re: Transgender children [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21911547 - 07/07/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

2000 years.. lol really?


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax]
    #21911549 - 07/07/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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2000 years.. lol really?




Yeah, there were trans women in ancient rome but St. Augustine hated them and said that Christianity should get rid of them. Apparently 2000 years wasn't enough. :goodluckwiththat2:


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21911560 - 07/07/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It is not new.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax] * 2
    #21911561 - 07/07/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Transgender was neither a concept nor a term 25 years ago.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax]
    #21911572 - 07/07/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But it was a fact.  There is a long tradition in may cultures of boys as girls.  Thailand for one.  They are traditionally accepted.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21911573 - 07/07/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gorlax said:
2000 years.. lol really?




Yeah, there were trans women in ancient rome but St. Augustine hated them and said that Christianity should get rid of them. Apparently 2000 years wasn't enough. :goodluckwiththat2:



And thats the root of the issue isn't it sophist? :smirk: you must be an ignorant non progressive close minded loser who won't kiss my feet because I'm "different" :rolleyes:

What's with this attitude of yours of people either being with you or against you? Is it possible I simply don't give a shit, have sympathy, but don't "support" those who wish to engage in serious self mutilation?

I wish I was 6 ft tall. Doesn't mean I'm gonna blow out my knees and install new ones


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax] * 1
    #21911575 - 07/07/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Transgender was neither a concept nor a term 25 years ago.




It wasn't a word. Trans people existed nonetheless.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21911588 - 07/07/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
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Gorlax said:
2000 years.. lol really?




Yeah, there were trans women in ancient rome but St. Augustine hated them and said that Christianity should get rid of them. Apparently 2000 years wasn't enough. :goodluckwiththat2:



And thats the root of the issue isn't it sophist? :smirk: you must be an ignorant non progressive close minded loser who won't kiss my feet because I'm "different" :rolleyes:

What's with this attitude of yours of people either being with you or against you? Is it possible I simply don't give a shit, have sympathy, but don't "support" those who wish to engage in serious self mutilation?

I wish I was 6 ft tall. Doesn't mean I'm gonna blow out my knees and install new ones




That post literally had nothing to do with what I just said?


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21911590 - 07/07/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Transgender was neither a concept nor a term 25 years ago.




It wasn't a word. Trans people existed nonetheless.



I agree with this. This has probably gone on for thousands  upon thousands  of years


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21911597 - 07/07/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Na they were just gay or lesbo


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax]
    #21911603 - 07/07/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's like saying that army veterans who contracted PTSD from experiences they had in Vietnam shouldn't be diagnosed or treated for PTSD because the diagnosis, "PTSD" did not exist during the time they went to war in Vietnam. It's narrow-minded not-quite-thinking that actually harms people.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21911623 - 07/07/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not my argument. I don't believe we had gender identity crisis going back 2000 years...


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax]
    #21911628 - 07/07/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It was always a crisis but it was never a controversy until we stopped getting killed or forced to submit to cisgender norms through torture and ostracism.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax]
    #21911639 - 07/07/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Not my argument. I don't believe we had gender identity crisis going back 2000 years...



Why do you think in the bible there was a Jewish law forbidding men or females from wearing the opposite sexes  clothing?

This has gone on forever, some societies were probably more tolerant of it. Even Hindus believe we will all have a lifetime being born as a transgender.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21911646 - 07/07/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's worth noting that trans people exist in pretty much all societies. The west is actually fairly exceptional for denying their existence and actively pathologizing them and terrorizing and killing them for thousands of years without a break until the 60's or so.

Then some radical feminists decided they didn't like us and used their political strength at the time to set us back another 40 years in the 70's. This is some touch-and-go shit.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Asante]
    #21911660 - 07/07/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I read this parenting forum (lol), and just today came across a story about a mother who started transitioning her (now 10 y.o.) bio son at the age of 6.  Seemed pretty hardcore to me.  I don't think I could do that to or for my son.





Maybe the next stage is hormonal blockers so they'll be kids as long as you like, maybe forever.

6? Fucked UP. Thats the parents wish, not the child's. At age 6 let them crossdress and play around but not hormones that force puberty.




But I knew then.

Allowing that only delayed things. You're right though but the science is in such early stages I can't help but be supportive.

No that's not what parents wish, no.
If it is, that's fucked up


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Beanhead]
    #21911679 - 07/07/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nothing fucked up about wanting your kid to be happy and healthy later in life. That's actually normal, or at least I think it is... sometimes I wonder.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21911690 - 07/07/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Parents wish, Moreso in line of: father wanted a daughter or mother wanted a son so they force change.

I do hope all parents think that:hug:
that's a very selfless thought.


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