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Re: Transgender children [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21911386 - 07/07/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #21911411 - 07/07/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:goodmorning: Come on sophist! Meet me half way. :bored:

Cant you agree that SOME people are capable of using the media in order to normalize and spread popular consent to the masses? I realize this video is one for, "Your team" so to spreak, so its easy to automatically call me a jerk. But what about yourself? Can you honestly say that as young as 5 years old you were saying things like

"I wish I didnt have this penis!". That is BULLSHIT and you know it :morningtoke:


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21911424 - 07/07/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I remember a year or two ago you sounded like you might be sympathetic to trans people. What changed?




I am sympathetic towards them! I told you blind sophist it has to be horrible to actually feel in such a state. To feel as if you are trapped in a body of the opposite gender.

This is different. This is not grown people who have gone through puberty that have reached DEEP self awareness of who they are as a person. These are children! Children who already dont know any better one way or the other. I sympathize for folks of your type sophist and I do hold compassion for you, I really do.

But im not afraid to speak up on an obvious ploy by the liberal media to normalize this type of "Condition", "behavior", "type of person". Whatever you wanna call it




Gender identity is set in stone by the time a child is born. Gender norms are conditioned but gender itself is innate. An ostensibly male kid, even very young, who says he was supposed to be a girl, is a girl, and will continue to say that throughout her life and it will always be true.  You are not the judge of that, she is, and denying her treatment will have negative consequences for her. What could have been insignificant will become a heavier and heavier millstone for her throughout her life because you wouldn't face up to the weird reality that she always knew best. This is not up for question, not a political "liberal" issue, it's fucking science. Bringing your filthy politics into this issue puts the health and lives of real people at risk. Why do you do that? I want you to stop.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #21911439 - 07/07/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
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I remember a year or two ago you sounded like you might be sympathetic to trans people. What changed?




I am sympathetic towards them! I told you blind sophist it has to be horrible to actually feel in such a state. To feel as if you are trapped in a body of the opposite gender.

This is different. This is not grown people who have gone through puberty that have reached DEEP self awareness of who they are as a person. These are children! Children who already dont know any better one way or the other. I sympathize for folks of your type sophist and I do hold compassion for you, I really do.

But im not afraid to speak up on an obvious ploy by the liberal media to normalize this type of "Condition", "behavior", "type of person". Whatever you wanna call it




Gender identity is set in stone by the time a child is born. Gender norms are conditioned but gender itself is innate. An ostensibly male kid, even very young, who says he was supposed to be a girl, is a girl, and will continue to say that throughout her life and it will always be true.  You are not the judge of that, she is, and denying her treatment will have negative consequences for her. What could have been insignificant will become a heavier and heavier millstone for her throughout her life because you wouldn't face up to the weird reality that she always knew best. This is not up for question, not a political "liberal" issue, it's fucking science.




No its not science, and there is zero science backing these "facts" that you are putting fourth. Only bullshit documentaries on youtube. :stonedjerk:

And you STILL didnt answer my question. What is it you are avoiding here? :strokebeard3:


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21911444 - 07/07/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This isn't about me, this is about kids who need medical attention and about you saying they shouldn't get it. That is fucked up and you need to come to terms with the harm that this line of talk causes people.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21911452 - 07/07/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
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BlindSophist said:
I remember a year or two ago you sounded like you might be sympathetic to trans people. What changed?




I am sympathetic towards them! I told you blind sophist it has to be horrible to actually feel in such a state. To feel as if you are trapped in a body of the opposite gender.

This is different. This is not grown people who have gone through puberty that have reached DEEP self awareness of who they are as a person. These are children! Children who already dont know any better one way or the other. I sympathize for folks of your type sophist and I do hold compassion for you, I really do.

But im not afraid to speak up on an obvious ploy by the liberal media to normalize this type of "Condition", "behavior", "type of person". Whatever you wanna call it




Gender identity is set in stone by the time a child is born. Gender norms are conditioned but gender itself is innate. An ostensibly male kid, even very young, who says he was supposed to be a girl, is a girl, and will continue to say that throughout her life and it will always be true.  You are not the judge of that, she is, and denying her treatment will have negative consequences for her. What could have been insignificant will become a heavier and heavier millstone for her throughout her life because you wouldn't face up to the weird reality that she always knew best. This is not up for question, not a political "liberal" issue, it's fucking science. Bringing your filthy politics into this issue puts the health and lives of real people at risk. Why do you do that? I want you to stop.




I, and putting peoples health and lives at real risk? Really? You think I am the one who is doing that!

Im not the one taking my prepubescent child into get his fucking genitals cut off sophist. This behavior is fucking disgusting. I agree that one should not "hate", "Shame" or "attack" those who deal with gender identity issues....but if you honestly think this is what is "Best" for these kids.....you are just as sick and twisted as the parents in this video.

Transgender folks should be met with care, and compassion. Im not saying, send them to a camp to "Pray it away". Im not saying "ridicule them into submission". But I do not support this bullshit, and this entire video is OBVIOUSLY a bullshit front by those who wish to "Normalize" this behavior. :commonsense: And if you think mutilating a childs natural born gender, and pumping them full of pharmaceuticals is gonna give them some type of "Peace", you are shitting yourself 


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Re: Transgender children [Re: koods] * 1
    #21911457 - 07/07/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They aren't "transgender" by choice. No 3 year old decides they want a sex change. Their parents fucked them up. 3 year olds say stupid shit all the time. That does not mean that you go get your little girl a penis, and call her Shiloh, because she wanted to play cowboys and Indians. These people are stupid, shitty parents.
I have no problem with adults deciding that they want a gender change, but children are not developed enough to make those types of decisions. Just like children are not developed enough to decide they want to tattoo their face up. That's why they have an adult to offer guidance until they can make their own decisions.




This has nothing to do with what they child "wants" to be. Gender identity is not determined by the sex organs. It is located in the brain  and if a brain is sexed differently than the external genitalia, it is best to allow the child to live as the gender they identify with, not the one dictated by their genitalia.



Koods is right about gender identity but there is also the issue that their little brains are not mature.  No drugs, no surgery until they are at least 18.  This is a big decision that needs to be made with calm careful deliberation by a mature person for his/her self.  Not their parents.  There is no shortage of freakshow idiot parents.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21911460 - 07/07/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You say that you are respectful of trans people with one breath, then with the next you demonstrate that that was a lie.

Let's ask some questions about you, huh? Why do you lie about stuff like that? Is it something you feel you can control?


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Re: Transgender children [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21911470 - 07/07/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They aren't "transgender" by choice. No 3 year old decides they want a sex change. Their parents fucked them up. 3 year olds say stupid shit all the time. That does not mean that you go get your little girl a penis, and call her Shiloh, because she wanted to play cowboys and Indians. These people are stupid, shitty parents.
I have no problem with adults deciding that they want a gender change, but children are not developed enough to make those types of decisions. Just like children are not developed enough to decide they want to tattoo their face up. That's why they have an adult to offer guidance until they can make their own decisions.




This has nothing to do with what they child "wants" to be. Gender identity is not determined by the sex organs. It is located in the brain  and if a brain is sexed differently than the external genitalia, it is best to allow the child to live as the gender they identify with, not the one dictated by their genitalia.



Koods is right about gender identity but there is also the issue that their little brains are not mature.  No drugs, no surgery until they are at least 18.  This is a big decision that needs to be made with calm careful deliberation by a mature person for his/her self.  Not their parents.  There is no shortage of freakshow idiot parents.




The recommended course of treatment would be androgen blockers for trans girls, estrogen blockers for trans boys, and then start estrogen or testosterone respectively when they turn 18.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21911474 - 07/07/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They aren't "transgender" by choice. No 3 year old decides they want a sex change. Their parents fucked them up. 3 year olds say stupid shit all the time. That does not mean that you go get your little girl a penis, and call her Shiloh, because she wanted to play cowboys and Indians. These people are stupid, shitty parents.
I have no problem with adults deciding that they want a gender change, but children are not developed enough to make those types of decisions. Just like children are not developed enough to decide they want to tattoo their face up. That's why they have an adult to offer guidance until they can make their own decisions.




This has nothing to do with what they child "wants" to be. Gender identity is not determined by the sex organs. It is located in the brain  and if a brain is sexed differently than the external genitalia, it is best to allow the child to live as the gender they identify with, not the one dictated by their genitalia.



Koods is right about gender identity but there is also the issue that their little brains are not mature.  No drugs, no surgery until they are at least 18.  This is a big decision that needs to be made with calm careful deliberation by a mature person for his/her self.  Not their parents.  There is no shortage of freakshow idiot parents.




This! This is what i am ultimately saying! If a man wants to cut off his own penis fine! Let him! But dont take your kids into a hospital and engage in such a profound impact on their person hood before they were even an adult!

Before I was 18

-I was sure I wanted to be a basketball playing
-I was sure I wanted to be a drug user forever and ever.
-I was SURE I never wanted to learn spanish
-I was SURE I would never want to learn guitar

I was SURE of so much shit, and yet if those decisions were set in stone I would be seriously pissed off.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21911479 - 07/07/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

None of those things are related at all to gender. This is just like that Rachel Dolezal shit. Doleful indeed, thanks autocorrect. You need to realize that when we are discussing a particular subject, it is inappropriate to immediately start talking about something else. Either commit to the conversation or get the fuck out.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #21911488 - 07/07/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You say that you are respectful of trans people with one breath, then with the next you demonstrate that that was a lie.

Let's ask some questions about you, huh? Why do you lie about stuff like that? Is it something you feel you can control?




I am not lying about anything. So because I dont agree with mutilating a child or pumping them full of puberty blocking drugs.....I must not be being respectful? What a load of horse shit? Fuck your gender, what you are lacking is common sense and an adult functioning brain. Maybe grow up a little before you make ANY choice regarding what you decide your "gender" to be.

And the same goes for these children as well! :stoned:


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Almond Flour] * 1
    #21911490 - 07/07/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh look, there you go again. At least you are being more honest about your true feelings this time, there's hope for you yet.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #21911491 - 07/07/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
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greencrush420 said:
They aren't "transgender" by choice. No 3 year old decides they want a sex change. Their parents fucked them up. 3 year olds say stupid shit all the time. That does not mean that you go get your little girl a penis, and call her Shiloh, because she wanted to play cowboys and Indians. These people are stupid, shitty parents.
I have no problem with adults deciding that they want a gender change, but children are not developed enough to make those types of decisions. Just like children are not developed enough to decide they want to tattoo their face up. That's why they have an adult to offer guidance until they can make their own decisions.




This has nothing to do with what they child "wants" to be. Gender identity is not determined by the sex organs. It is located in the brain  and if a brain is sexed differently than the external genitalia, it is best to allow the child to live as the gender they identify with, not the one dictated by their genitalia.



Koods is right about gender identity but there is also the issue that their little brains are not mature.  No drugs, no surgery until they are at least 18.  This is a big decision that needs to be made with calm careful deliberation by a mature person for his/her self.  Not their parents.  There is no shortage of freakshow idiot parents.




The recommended course of treatment would be androgen blockers for trans girls, estrogen blockers for trans boys, and then start estrogen or testosterone respectively when they turn 18.




They need to wait.  I realize that some might suffer but they can straighten that out when they become of age.  I do not think children should be making medical decisions


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #21911495 - 07/07/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ehh I think it's all bullshit. Considering all of a sudden the human race decided it wanted to have a gender identity crisis yet it hasn't really been an issue before.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21911501 - 07/07/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Self-identification is not a medical decision and I can speak from experience that my life would be a lot less painful if people had taken me seriously when I told them the first billion fucking times, but okay. :shrug:


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21911500 - 07/07/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh look, there you go again. At least you are being more honest about your true feelings this time, there's hope for you yet.




Are you even reading my posts :pokerawe: Or simply defensively typing bullshit because you cant critically think around the issue you claim expertize?


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21911505 - 07/07/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
Oh look, there you go again. At least you are being more honest about your true feelings this time, there's hope for you yet.




Are you even reading my posts :pokerawe: Or simply defensively typing bullshit because you cant critically think around the issue you claim expertize?




You called me retarded for disagreeing with your uninformed opinion. That is not much in the way of critical thinking.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21911507 - 07/07/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Self-identification is not a medical decision and I can speak from experience that my life would be a lot less painful if people had taken me seriously when I told them the first billion fucking times, but okay. :shrug:




And I respect that. But when did you tell them. Was it at 5 years of age? You still have NOT answered the fucking question.


You know gosh damn well it wasnt when you were a fucking infant saying his first sentences


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax]
    #21911512 - 07/07/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ehh I think it's all bullshit. Considering all of a sudden the human race decided it wanted to have a gender identity crisis yet it hasn't really been an issue before.




That's because it's been G.P. of the west to have trans people killed or forced into hiding for about 2000 years and people started thinking it mightn't be a very nice way to treat them about fifty years ago.


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