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Re: Transgender children [Re: Moonshoe]
#21962224 - 07/18/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Glad to see you've joined the rating ambush from engaging in discussion with BS, moonshoe. Trust me that battle can't be won with someone who probably has failed multiple Rorschach tests.
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Re: Transgender children [Re: Moonshoe]
#21968361 - 07/20/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Blindsophist:
1. How do you define "transgender"?
2. What are the greatest misconceptions about transgender people?
3. What are the things transgender people most want others to know and understand ?
4. What common ideas or statements about transgender people / transgender as a concept do you find most offensive or problematic and why?
5. What legal, social or cultural changes do you think are most needed to better support and accommodate trans people ?
6. What are the greatest struggles , challenges or problems faced by trans people ?
I think providing your opinions on these and other questions would be hugely helpful and informative for everyone here , and a much more productive use of your time and energy then squabbling post by post with everyone . Assume people know nothing about transgender and provide people with a basic Intro, Q&A or FAQ.
You have a unique opportunity to educate , but you need to switch gears from "battle" mode to "teach" mode,
Calling people bigots will accomplish nothing but alienating those who could be allies. Assume everything we think is wrong , and provide us with what you see as The truth about these issues .
Most people are not well informed about these issues at all. You have a great deal more experience and knowledge of these issues then almost anyone else. So provide your perspectives as a foundation rather then bickering over every choice of word or imagined subtext you ascribe or project onto others.
1: Transgender is an umbrella term that covers people who do not entirely identify as the sex they were born, it can range from transvestites, to genderqueer folk, to full on transsexuals like me.
2: Biggest misconceptions about us? That we are all crazy and stupid.
3: What do we want non-trans folk to know? Mainly that we are just normal, boring folks, who occasionally chop off our dicks.
4: What offends me? Mainly when people pretend they know more about my life experience than I do... but I am hard to offend.
5: What laws need to be changed? In most states we can be fired and/or evicted for no reason other than being trans. That would be a nice thing to start changing.
6: Greatest struggles? Gaining general acceptance and being treated as equals in the eyes of society and the law.
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Re: Transgender children [Re: Rose]
#21968432 - 07/20/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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why do you feel the need to force people to accept something they don't agree with?
You already are equal, till you start trying to force gay down people's throats who don't want it
as for being beaten for being a tranny, thats already illegal
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How dare you disagree!
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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax]
#21968457 - 07/20/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: How dare you disagree!
Myopia at its finest. Disagreeing with the existence of an entire group of people is the first step toward genocide.
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makaveli8x8 said: why do you feel the need to force people to accept something they don't agree with?
You already are equal, till you start trying to force gay down people's throats who don't want it
as for being beaten for being a tranny, thats already illegal
Why do I feel like I need to force people into accepting something they do not agree with?
I do not recall saying I wanted anything forced on anyone. If you don't believe in me because I am trans, you are not very smart, and I do not like forcing people who struggle with learning to do things. They tend to cry a lot.
I am not equal in all states. And I am not gay. Nice try. Never forced anything Down anyone's throat... as I just said, "I do not like forcing people who struggle with learning to do things. They tend to cry a lot. "
Just don't be a douche about it. My life does not impact yours unless you break a rule and get banned or something.
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Being fired or evicted because you are trans is terrible, and definitely not equal. If you don't agree with it, then okay. Just don't try to force your idea that being LGBT is wrong. Or shaming someone for who they are.
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Re: Transgender children [Re: Achillita]
#21968581 - 07/20/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Being fired or evicted because you are trans is terrible, and definitely not equal. If you don't agree with it, then okay. Just don't try to force your idea that being LGBT is wrong. Or shaming someone for who they are.
This is something that happens all the time, the "T" is silent in most LGBT protections and trans people are mercilessly discriminated against throughout most of the country.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/a-black-transgender-woman-is-in-jail-because-police-were-called-on-her-for-being-transgender/?utm_content=buffer95b78&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
In this case, being trans is indistinguishable from being a prostitute. And folks here get all butt hurt when I call them out on their stereotypes, as if a stereotype never hurt anyone.
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Re: Transgender children [Re: Rose]
#21968611 - 07/20/15 01:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: why do you feel the need to force people to accept something they don't agree with?
You already are equal, till you start trying to force gay down people's throats who don't want it
as for being beaten for being a tranny, thats already illegal
Why do I feel like I need to force people into accepting something they do not agree with?
I do not recall saying I wanted anything forced on anyone. If you don't believe in me because I am trans, you are not very smart, and I do not like forcing people who struggle with learning to do things. They tend to cry a lot.
I am not equal in all states. And I am not gay. Nice try. Never forced anything Down anyone's throat... as I just said, "I do not like forcing people who struggle with learning to do things. They tend to cry a lot. "
Just don't be a douche about it. My life does not impact yours unless you break a rule and get banned or something.
wait did u just threaten to ban me for disagreeing with you?
and you are forcing things on people when you talk about getting kicked out for being a tranny or whatever it is you claim to be. If someone doesn't agree with what someone does, what right do you have to force yourself to stay there? They don't want you there, possibly rubbing your beliefs off on their children, or they just don't want you around them or theirselves, thats their choice. You clearly are trying to force that issue.
We all deserve freedom, just like if i don't want a gang banger living next to me, then i shouldn't have to rent a room to a gangbanger.
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No.
Read it again.
And some people think trans folk get their panties in a wad!!!
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Did you just compare being a "tranny" (pretty offensive term BTW) to being a gang banger?
Gang bangers are violent criminals. Trans people are just people.
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Re: Transgender children [Re: Rose]
#21968647 - 07/20/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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My life does not impact yours unless you break a rule and get banned or something.
i read it again, u mention RULE which the shroomery has, society has LAWS, and i wouldn't get BANNED from society.
so what are you referencing if not me and my post in this thread?
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don't fall for the trap. It's entrapment at it's finest.
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BlindSophist said: Did you just compare being a "tranny" (pretty offensive term BTW) to being a gang banger?
Gang bangers are violent criminals. Trans people are just people.
tranny isn't offensive, not anymore than anything else that gets said in the pub, infact id consider it at the bottom of offensive words. for example a "fuck you" would rank way higher as it is used alot in fights aka a reference to anger in alot of cases.
tranny is in relation to a persons sexuality, and can also be negative, but only in the sense of making fun of them, aka nonviolent and part of the 'pc' movement which should be completely ignored for all the dumb shit they are trying to pass and make illegal to say
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BlindSophist said: Did you just compare being a "tranny" (pretty offensive term BTW) to being a gang banger?
Gang bangers are violent criminals. Trans people are just people.
tranny isn't offensive, not anymore than anything else that gets said in the pub, infact id consider it at the bottom of offensive words. for example a "fuck you" would rank way higher as it is used alot in fights aka a reference to anger in alot of cases.
tranny is in relation to a persons sexuality, and can also be negative, but only in the sense of making fun of them, aka nonviolent
Tranny is a slur. And it is typically used in a violent context.
You didn't answer my question.
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My life does not impact yours unless you break a rule and get banned or something.
i read it again, u mention RULE which the shroomery has, society has LAWS, and i wouldn't get BANNED from society.
so what are you referencing if not me and my post in this thread?
Yeah. IF you break a rule AND I have to ban you, I will have far more impact on your life than my transition ever will.
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BlindSophist said: Did you just compare being a "tranny" (pretty offensive term BTW) to being a gang banger?
Gang bangers are violent criminals. Trans people are just people.
its called an extreme example, the reason for extreme is to prove the merit of being able to do said point, should be obvious. you are doing the comparing to try and justify not being able to do it.
Businesses should be able to refuse anyone they want as well. and if society doesn't like it, then they will stop going and be out of buisness.
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Re: Transgender children [Re: Rose]
#21968705 - 07/20/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can't pick and chose what words are offensive when the word tranny has been used all over these forums especially in the Caitlin Jenner threads.
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BlindSophist said: Did you just compare being a "tranny" (pretty offensive term BTW) to being a gang banger?
Gang bangers are violent criminals. Trans people are just people.
its called an extreme example, the reason for extreme is to prove the merit of being able to do said point, should be obvious. you are doing the comparing to try and justify not being able to do it.
Businesses should be able to refuse anyone they want as well. and if society doesn't like it, then they will stop going and be out of buisness.
Society doesn't like trans people
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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax]
#21968715 - 07/20/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: You can't pick and chose what words are offensive when the word tranny has been used all over these forums especially in the Caitlin Jenner threads.
It shouldn't be. It should be bankable, like other slurs. I've asked the staff about it and they generally seem to agree with you and mak, in spite of it being almost universally agreed upon by the trans community, who is actually targeted by the word, that tranny is a deeply inflammatory slur. Tell me more about the "PC police"
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