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Re: Transgender children [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21957822 - 07/17/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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WAN said:
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Gorlax said:
Good luck arguing with Quote on Quote "Blind" Sophist. He is blind to everything besides his opinions. One second being trans is a mental disorder now it's not.

My statement stands. No normal doctor would remove a healthy organ due to a mental illness.




Is blindshophiest a man or a woman?




I'm a woman.

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Ihateyou said:
Abnormal and unusual are kind of the same thing :shrug: not that there's anything wrong with it.




They're not. "Unusual" is neutral, "abnormal" refers to disease and disorder.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21957835 - 07/17/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you not see how you just spin everything. You are trying to say abnormal only relates to diseases??

  • Un = NOT

  • Usual - common


Not Common

  • Un = NOT

  • Normal - common


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21957875 - 07/17/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not good

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/17/transgender-reporter-to-ben-shapiro-you-keep-calling-me-sir-youll-go-home-in-an-ambulance/

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Via Breitbart, the key bit comes at 5:30. Shapiro’s point is that Zoey Tur, formerly Bob Tur, is male genetically and therefore a man in fact, however he/she may identify. Tur’s reply is to grab him by the neck and threaten to knock him into the middle of next week, which is … about as cartoonishly masculine a response to an insult as I can imagine. All that’s missing is a belch for emphasis.




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Re: Transgender children [Re: WAN]
    #21957906 - 07/17/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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WAN said:

I am asian.  Do you think that if I go around claiming I am white and if I say it enough times, or that I say I feel it strongly enough, doctors will give me "race-reassignment surgeries"?




if anyone needs it, its you :loldongs:


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Re: Transgender children [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21957912 - 07/17/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
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WAN said:

I am asian.  Do you think that if I go around claiming I am white and if I say it enough times, or that I say I feel it strongly enough, doctors will give me "race-reassignment surgeries"?




if anyone needs it, its you :loldongs:




are you trying to be crushing?


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Re: Transgender children [Re: WAN]
    #21957980 - 07/17/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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WAN said:
Quote:

Gorlax said:
Good luck arguing with Quote on Quote "Blind" Sophist. He is blind to everything besides his opinions. One second being trans is a mental disorder now it's not.

My statement stands. No normal doctor would remove a healthy organ due to a mental illness.




Is blindshophiest a man or a woman?



I am a woman.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: WAN]
    #21958013 - 07/17/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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WAN said:
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ballsalsa said:
Quote:

WAN said:

I am asian.  Do you think that if I go around claiming I am white and if I say it enough times, or that I say I feel it strongly enough, doctors will give me "race-reassignment surgeries"?




if anyone needs it, its you :loldongs:




are you trying to be crushing?




no, i was trying banter.  It can seem mean sometimes, but it's supposed to be for fun.:shrug:


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax]
    #21958041 - 07/17/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gorlax said:
Do you not see how you just spin everything. You are trying to say abnormal only relates to diseases??

  • Un = NOT

  • Usual - common


Not Common

  • Un = NOT

  • Normal - common


Not Common





adjective
adjective: abnormal
deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying.
"the illness is recognizable from the patient's abnormal behavior"

Source: Google


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Re: Transgender children [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21958065 - 07/17/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Not good

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/17/transgender-reporter-to-ben-shapiro-you-keep-calling-me-sir-youll-go-home-in-an-ambulance/

Quote:

Via Breitbart, the key bit comes at 5:30. Shapiro’s point is that Zoey Tur, formerly Bob Tur, is male genetically and therefore a man in fact, however he/she may identify. Tur’s reply is to grab him by the neck and threaten to knock him into the middle of next week, which is … about as cartoonishly masculine a response to an insult as I can imagine. All that’s missing is a belch for emphasis.




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This is why the trans advocacy community has such a deep seated fear and loathing of privileged spokespeople.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21958100 - 07/17/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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adjective
adjective: abnormal
deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying.
"the illness is recognizable from the patient's abnormal behavior"

Source: Google



I'm not trying to argue or point fingers but it says "typically". That doesn't mean by definition. It's just commonly used to describe undesirable or worrying things.

I know it seems like I'm nitpicking but I just try to be as factual as possible. Seriously, I am not doing this to be a douche. I'm just pointing out what I see.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21958119 - 07/17/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ihateyou said:
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BlindSophist said:



adjective
adjective: abnormal
deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying.
"the illness is recognizable from the patient's abnormal behavior"

Source: Google



I'm not trying to argue or point fingers but it says "typically". That doesn't mean by definition. It's just commonly used to describe undesirable or worrying things.

I know it seems like I'm nitpicking but I just try to be as factual as possible. Seriously, I am not doing this to be a douche. I'm just pointing out what I see.




"Typically" means "usually", not "occasionally". Connotations are important. Abnormality is a term used to describe undesirable, pathological traits and behaviors. I challenge you to find an intellectually credible source using that word in a neutral sense.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21958134 - 07/17/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:blowmybrainsout:

How convenient you forgot to leave out the synonyms from the exact source you supplied. Looks like Unusual is the first synonym.

abnormal

    deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying.
    "the illness is recognizable from the patient's abnormal behavior"


    synonyms:unusual, uncommon, atypical, untypical, nontypical, unrepresentative, rare, isolated, irregular, anomalous, deviant, divergent, aberrant, freak, freakish.

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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax] * 1
    #21958228 - 07/17/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Connotations matter. Note the presence of "freak" among those synonyms of "abnormal". That's not there for "unusual".


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21958499 - 07/17/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dude you will just never admit that you are wrong. They are the same fucking words. They are interchangeable.

Unusual and Abnormal are fucking synonyms.

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Re: Transgender children [Re: Gorlax]
    #21958522 - 07/17/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

listen all: you need to brush up with your knowledge on today's standard's, bros.

http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/futurese.html

i recommend you peruse through this and LEARN SOMETHING, and stop being so antediluvial....

ZA kiad w’-exùn ya tijuh, da ya-gAr’-eduketan zA da wa-tAgan lidla, kaz ‘ban iagnaran an wa-tAg kurrap…


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Re: Transgender children [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21958536 - 07/17/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why is everyone ignoring Gender Dysmorphic Disorder aka Gender Dysphoria?  DSM-5 verified mental illness, i've got problems too but I don't pretend like i'm not fucked up.  It's okay I don't care what you do with your body but let's not pretend like this isn't a disease.

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Re: Transgender children [Re: Cognitive_Shift] * 1
    #21958636 - 07/17/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When it favors them, it is not a mental illness. When they are defending it, it is a mental illness. It's impossible to argue in these threads.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21958653 - 07/17/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gorlax said:
Dude you will just never admit that you are wrong. They are the same fucking words. They are interchangeable.

Unusual and Abnormal are fucking synonyms.

:blowjob:




Synonymous does not equal interchangeable. Here you are trying to comment on complex issues such as mental illness and societal oppression when you don't understand elementary semiotics. This exchange has been completely useless and a waste of my time. I swear to god I feel like a remedial grammar instructor around here at times.

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Why is everyone ignoring Gender Dysmorphic Disorder aka Gender Dysphoria?  DSM-5 verified mental illness, i've got problems too but I don't pretend like i'm not fucked up.  It's okay I don't care what you do with your body but let's not pretend like this isn't a disease.

(stirs the pot with emotional knee jerk reaction comments and slithers back into the darkness)




Gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness. "Gender identity disorder" used to be considered a mental illness by the DSM, but was dropped because its primary symptom, gender dysphoria, can be resolved by medical treatment.

The disproportionate health and social issues that trans people suffer are not due to some mental illness on their own part, but due to institutional negligence and abuse such as the withholding of care by medical providers who are influenced by negative stereotypes such as those propagated throughout this thread.

Being trans is not a mental illness, it is a natural variation of human sex differentiation.


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21958684 - 07/17/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being trans is not a mental illness, it is a natural variation of human sex differentiation.



What's wrong with mental illness?  You know how many people have depression or anxiety disorders in the world?  A LOT.  There are many more depressed people then trans people but we don't call depressed people a "natural variation" of a human baseline personality.    They have a disease.  It is what it is, it's not the end of the world and if you want to lop your dick off and take hormones it's all good it's not my business, but it's natural?  Come onnnnnnnnnnnnn:rolleyes:


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Re: Transgender children [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21958695 - 07/17/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not trying to stigmatize mental illness here. I am merely using precise language. Gender dysphoria is a psychiatric symptom, similar to anxiety; anxiety is a mood, not a mental disorder. When anxiety is frequent enough to constitute a mental disorder it is called "generalized anxiety disorder". Most people, however, get anxiety from time to time without it being a symptom of an underlying mental disorder. Gender dysphoria is not a symptom of an underlying mental disorder, but stems directly from the mistreatment of trans people by social institutions across the board.

Did you read the rest of my post? Gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness if it can be resolved through medical means. Mental illnesses can not be resolved through medical means. That is why they are called mental illnesses and not medical illnesses.


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